"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[SBmidlo]

I met her at a private residence in Apr and had a great time! On my next visit she did a cash and dash at one of the motels in Ruther Glen. She told one of the SMs that her BF pulled her into his truck and beat her up. Then that same week she posts pics of a day trip she took with him; looked like they had fun. Two SMs confronted her about it and she was supposed to return the donation. This is the first time this has happened to me in 15 yrs, so I'm not too upset. What I'm mad about is not listening to my gut (there were red flags) and not following the rules that have kept me safe all these years.

She's definitely more pro than SB. Be careful!

Could this be the same person? https://www.seeking.com/member/21f12...d-1de4e538c8e0.

I sent her a message on SA a while back and she sent me her number. I never pursued after seeing the cash and dash review here. She isn't as active on SA as she used to be but has logged in recently. Actually sent me a message a couple of weeks ago saying she could travel to my side of town.

[Drugrepva]

So this girl advertised a lot on SA. She was more pro than SB. I know she was very popular but I can't remember if she had good reviews. Does anyone remember her. I made contact with her from my burner phone and surprisingly she replied. I asked if she was still in the game and she said from time to time. I am in need of a good BJ so I may hit her up. I know she used to be able to host. Any help is appreciated.

I met her at a private residence in Apr and had a great time! On my next visit she did a cash and dash at one of the motels in Ruther Glen. She told one of the SMs that her BF pulled her into his truck and beat her up. Then that same week she posts pics of a day trip she took with him; looked like they had fun. Two SMs confronted her about it and she was supposed to return the donation. This is the first time this has happened to me in 15 yrs, so I'm not too upset. What I'm mad about is not listening to my gut (there were red flags) and not following the rules that have kept me safe all these years.

She's definitely more pro than SB. Be careful!

[FarFarAway]

Thanks for posting about Kamo. I'm going to look into it.

I'd love to hear from some of the more computer savvy here -- I know nothing is foolproof, especially when it comes to computers, and that true anonymity is nearly impossible while still having a computer be actually "usable" in real life.

What's your objective? Keeping anonymous from a SB? Keeping your activities hidden from an SO? Those are two key things for most guys. The former is a lot about opsec, not tech. Of course, tech helps w / the latter. I always want to be in a position that I can hand my phone or my laptop to my SO and tell her that she's free to look at anything she wants. The only way to do that is literally to have nothing on it, but you can store a lot of stuff in the cloud, or the equivalent. Recall that Gen. Petraeus never ever sent an email to his mistress, but they both had access to the same email account, and would just put drafts on it that the other could read. They were caught by the NSA, but presumably, a SB or the SO don't have access to their tech. I have posted earlier on this, I think these are reasonable measures most could do.

I use security browsers whenever possible. Tor is great for security, Epic is pretty good. The latter has a built-in VPN, the former is like VPN inside a VPN. I don't think either of these work very well on the SA site at this time. This has varied over time, and is somewhat dependent on specifics, like OS. I do use Epic for entering the webpage for Google Voice. As another approach, I use my work VPN, which puts me into a server that has 20,000 users, it would require the cooperation of my employer to figure out that it was me using a particular node at any one time, this is very unlikely to happen. I currently am using Safari through the VPN to access SA.

I think GV is a great tool, it enables me to text from home on a web page, where I never have my burner phone, b / c a physical object is always a risk of discovery. I am always on my laptop, the SO can be in the house as long as I listen while I type. I do like to run the apps off a thumb drive. That is good to keep caches etc. Off your main hard disk. I have a separate thumb drive at my office that is encrypted and on which I keep everything, screenshots of the profiles of current POTs and past SBs, their pix, etc. That could also be done on the cloud. The reason I like the thumb drive, in the event of a serious breach and needing to dispose of evidence quickly, it can easily be flushed.

I think a burner, while it does have the risk of discovery, is a good idea. Put GV on it and you have double protection. You can put GV on your regular phone, IK several people here do that. I think there is a risk of your sugar life crossing over into your real life is you do this though, and you'd really better know what you're doing if you go this way.

Never use bookmarks. Memorize your logins and passwords.

I don't think secure passwords and stuff like that are any real issue / benefit.

I fear that Google could easily figure out who I am, b / c my employer uses Google to host our servers, and they can obviously do some comparisons and see the same machine / node doing different things, my sugar identity and my IRL identity. I just rest on the idea that they have no motivation to do this so long as LE isn't subpoenaing them, and I don't do anything that even skirts on illegal.

I am messaging w / a MILF in a city I travel to this week. Her initial text to me came up in GV w / her real name and company, b / c she isn't using GV, she is using her business (not personal) cell #. She's single, w / little risk, so she can do this.

[DoneThatOnce]

So this girl advertised a lot on SA. She was more pro than SB. I know she was very popular but I can't remember if she had good reviews. Does anyone remember her. I made contact with her from my burner phone and surprisingly she replied. I asked if she was still in the game and she said from time to time. I am in need of a good BJ so I may hit her up. I know she used to be able to host. Any help is appreciated.

I saw her twice pre-covid about 3 weeks apart. First time was fun with a full menu. Next time she was on something and seemed in a haze. No kissing or DATY that time. Then she started texting me everyday until I blocked her.

[Hungre1234]

So this girl advertised a lot on SA. She was more pro than SB. I know she was very popular but I can't remember if she had good reviews. Does anyone remember her. I made contact with her from my burner phone and surprisingly she replied. I asked if she was still in the game and she said from time to time. I am in need of a good BJ so I may hit her up. I know she used to be able to host. Any help is appreciated.

I saw her several times under her last account when she had her own apartment out near Doswell last summer. She could take a pounding but she's not at that residence anymore and I seem to remember someone here saying they had drama with her recently.

[ArtImperial]

Have been messaging this one. Seems open, but profile also reads like potential drama. Anybody have any intel on her?

https://www.seeking.com/member/be512...c-285d158ac9cd

[Kwagmire]

So there has been, from time to time discussion on this thread about being anonymous and avoiding tracking. Apparently even using a VPN isn't the end all as there is a "fingerprinting" technique that uses OS version, screen size and other pertinent data that normally gets sent to websites, data that can be used to ID your computer even if it isn't through the IP address.

So now I see a service offered by the CCleaner folds call Kamo that apparently spoofs that data each time and thus makes you untrackable through "fingerprinting" techniques. So thought I'd toss this out there and ask if anyone has any experience with this? Does it work?

Thanks for posting about Kamo. I'm going to look into it.

I'd love to hear from some of the more computer savvy here -- I know nothing is foolproof, especially when it comes to computers, and that true anonymity is nearly impossible while still having a computer be actually "usable" in real life.

But, what do you all think about, for general privacy, the following:

1. Using strong passwords.

2. Using a good, zero-knowlege password manager.

3. Encrypted hard drive (bitlocker or filevault).

4. Good, zero-knowlege, paid VPN based in a privacy minded country (ProtonVPN, perhaps, and the like).

5. Good ad and javascript blocker.

6. Setting browser to delete history and cookies on every exit.

7. Browser fingerprint spoofing like Kamo (are there other trusted products in this space?

Anything else you'd do?

[JMot87]

So this girl advertised a lot on SA. She was more pro than SB. I know she was very popular but I can't remember if she had good reviews. Does anyone remember her. I made contact with her from my burner phone and surprisingly she replied. I asked if she was still in the game and she said from time to time. I am in need of a good BJ so I may hit her up. I know she used to be able to host. Any help is appreciated.

She was good to go for a long time. Anything goes. But a couple recent reports said she was trying to scam guys. So try at your own risk. She's definitely crazy so be careful.

[TheHobbyLobby]

So this girl advertised a lot on SA. She was more pro than SB. I know she was very popular but I can't remember if she had good reviews. Does anyone remember her. I made contact with her from my burner phone and surprisingly she replied. I asked if she was still in the game and she said from time to time. I am in need of a good BJ so I may hit her up. I know she used to be able to host. Any help is appreciated.

[DoggieFan]

Do not send ANY pics on the site -- do not post a picture of you or anything like you. -- no not send pics via messages (if they let you) - and P.S. NOTHING IS EVER DELETED!

Then the SA moderators have nothing to hang their hat on and kick you off.

Basically imagine the site is hacked by the dark web -- and then the dark web has your pictures and MAY have even an E-mail or worse a real phone number and address (all that nice info you gave them).

Now you get blackmail threats showing your pictures and your SA profile -- just do not do it.

For EVERY potential SB - - this is what you message them.

" I will not put any pictures up on the seeking site as there is a good chance it will be hacked -- I am happy to txt you my picture if you let me have your txt number. Or I am happy to give you mine".

(it goes without saying that at least your number is a google voice number).

Be safe out there.

SA.

I am exactly the same. Use to have Tony Soprano from the nose to the waist as my profile pic. After over three years, my account got deactivated for using a fake pic by SA. I got in a nasty back & forth with a scammer & I think she ratted me out.

So now I have a guy from a clothes web site, from the mouth to the knees.

I actually think not having a full pic makes some curious & more likely to go to text to see a pic. If they ask on SA why I don't have a pic, I tell them I have a high government security clearance for my job & they do random searches for my pics to maintain it. I then joke, "no Princess, I'm not a spy, I do some high level work for the Navy on nuclear subs & aircraft carriers. They buy it every time.

Unlike pics on the internet that are forever, pics directly to a Baby are only between you two. Of course I only use my play number.

Google Voice & play name.

[BamBam]

I also have a second account under a different email but I have never activated it by paying anything. I use it to see when I have been blocked by a profile. I suspect this provision only applies to two active paid accounts.

Bam.

BTW, one other way to have this not devastate your activity is to have another profile. I do. Different email and login. However, reviewing the reasons for accounts getting suspended, I found this:

Having multiple active accounts.

[DWinthrop]

Tried her today. Was expecting a butterface, but she has gained significant weight, and even sent some older pics. Very doughy body, and an unkempt Bush. Not much skill in bed. She did let me BBFSCIP though. Definitely won't be repeating. https://www.seeking.com/member/4b731...4-7f67a53f88be.

[FarFarAway]

I used a fake photo and sent a real one via messaging. She got mad about some toher stuff and reported me. Not sure if I deleted the pic or not, probably not, but it seems the accusation is all that SA needs.

They said to fix the issue, I had to submit a copy of govt I'd showing the photo on the I'd matched the one in my profile NOT.

So I created a new profile, but all my messages and traction are gone. Have to explain to ones I re-engage why I got bounced. They are understanding of discretion and if not, they arent for me.

BTW, one other way to have this not devastate your activity is to have another profile. I do. Different email and login. However, reviewing the reasons for accounts getting suspended, I found this:

Having multiple active accounts.

[FarFarAway]

The question is, who is the bigger threat? SA, or the POT? I want to keep the girl from having my photo. I also should want SA to not have it either.

Some of the girl's profile pictures I've seen lately have been very obscure, if I can get something like that that is really me to work, I'll be OK.

Do not send ANY pics on the site -- do not post a picture of you or anything like you. -- no not send pics via messages (if they let you) - and P.S. NOTHING IS EVER DELETED!

Then the SA moderators have nothing to hang their hat on and kick you off.

Basically imagine the site is hacked by the dark web -- and then the dark web has your pictures and MAY have even an E-mail or worse a real phone number and address (all that nice info you gave them).

Now you get blackmail threats showing your pictures and your SA profile -- just do not do it.

For EVERY potential SB - - this is what you message them.

" I will not put any pictures up on the seeking site as there is a good chance it will be hacked -- I am happy to txt you my picture if you let me have your txt number. Or I am happy to give you mine".

(it goes without saying that at least your number is a google voice number).

Be safe out there.

SA.

[Member #6575]

I've recently posted about sending my real pic to POTs through messaging on SA, as you can delete it off there. Seems safer. My profile pics don't include the face, and are thing I pulled off the web. Anyway, I just got my account suspended for this reason: 'pictures not of the person'. IDK how they can really tell that, but that is what they did. I have less than a week to go on this, I'll try to fight it, but just a cautionary tale. If you do sent a real pic, I'd be sure to do it in messaging w / the girl, and then delete it immediately.

Do not send ANY pics on the site -- do not post a picture of you or anything like you. -- no not send pics via messages (if they let you) - and P.S. NOTHING IS EVER DELETED!

Then the SA moderators have nothing to hang their hat on and kick you off.

Basically imagine the site is hacked by the dark web -- and then the dark web has your pictures and MAY have even an E-mail or worse a real phone number and address (all that nice info you gave them).

Now you get blackmail threats showing your pictures and your SA profile -- just do not do it.

For EVERY potential SB - - this is what you message them.

" I will not put any pictures up on the seeking site as there is a good chance it will be hacked -- I am happy to txt you my picture if you let me have your txt number. Or I am happy to give you mine".

(it goes without saying that at least your number is a google voice number).

Be safe out there.

SA.