NoVA SugarBabies

[CuriousVaMan]

Brother X, I owe you an apology for doubting your motives. Your explanation makes perfect sense.

I must admit, I've enjoyed reading the updated, collective wisdom of the other brothers responding to your inquiry. The replies here in NOVA and those on the LA and Atlanta Boards were very informative. I say updated wisdom because when I first started in the game a few years ago, I started from the first post on Richmond SB thread and read forward. While many of the OGs have moved on (and many remain), reading about their exploits, tips and tricks was truly enlightening. The brothers who responded to your inquiry provide an updated, concise "best practices" of how to navigate the bowl. Heed that advice.

Someone else asked her was my answer.

You're right I did post in multiple places. They're not at random. I've actually visited those places before, but the reason why is because there is a wealth of knowledge out there men with real experience. Unfortunately, in my hometown, the game is dying if you look through the sugar baby forum you'll see how bad it is. So if I post it in Myrtle and only Myrtle, I would've never gotten great advice . We're all here for the same reason why settle for one when you can have as many as you'd like.

Why settle for for one post in one area when posting in a few pages will increase my chances of getting real advice.

[Jim Rob]

Very good advice from the gentleman: just a few thoughts, I was very into the SB lifestyle with many different hot girls, I enjoy peak of seeking arrangements and have a few amazing stories to share, but warning was I met a few crazy girls that black mailed me for money all the time. I had 3 sb get pregnant and had to pay for abortions, but they might have been scamming me too. Going raw is addicting and makes you only want it more. I had a few SB I couldn't get rid of. After a very turbulent time period I gave up on sb and only deal with AMPs or a few apartments. Good luck.

1. Don't use your real name (ever).

2. Don't use your real phone (ever); caller ID.

3. Don't use a joint account (banking).

4. Don't have credit cards send physical mail.

5. Don't share your location with SO (get her an android, or you get one). IPhones share a lot.

6. Lock your devices with Looooong unlock codes.

7. Don't use an email your SO has access to.

Probably more, but that is the basics of OPSEC.

[ProCatHunter]

Completely understand what this man is saying. I feel seen. Getting older means losing muscle. But oddly, exercising to get pussy means we will live longer.

50 and then 60 hit you in the face. Particularly 60. LOL.

[ProCatHunter]

Yep. Appropriate is the key. If you're a douche, you're paying more. If you're a simp, you're paying more and you're not getting fcked.

Key here is Goldilocks. You need just the right mix of treating them right without being a douche or a simp. You're not trying to get her to marry you, you're trying to be the guy she calls when the dude who takes her out on a date expects her to pay; and the guy who paid for dinner at the Michelin star rated restaurant expects her to take it up the ass raw after the first date.

Play your cards right she'll be taking it up the ass raw and then sucking her shit off your junk.

Having a good rotation helps moderate how eager you are. It’s like planting seeds. Once you have a nice crop that is growing plenty of fruit, you can pick and choose which tree to harvest.

Work on loosing your fat gut. Most of us don't want to bang a fat girl and most of these girls don't want to bang a fat dude unless they are compensated more. The hottest girls spend a lot of time in the gym so if you are overweight, she knows right off the bat that that you and her do not have that in common. I was about 30 lbs over weight. I made minor changes to my diet while begining moderate excercise and have been able to shed a little over 20 lbs. In a few months. Not only does this help with your sugar relationships, you will also feel better about yourself.

Also agree on treating them appropriately while not being a simp. A small gift after a few dates that shows you have actually listened to what she is interested in goes a long way.

[NovaNova]

Can't tell you how many dudes out there can't comprehend why they can't get low cost pussy; but are 50 lbs overweight and treat a girl like trash.

Work on loosing your fat gut. Most of us don't want to bang a fat girl and most of these girls don't want to bang a fat dude unless they are compensated more. The hottest girls spend a lot of time in the gym so if you are overweight, she knows right off the bat that that you and her do not have that in common. I was about 30 lbs over weight. I made minor changes to my diet while begining moderate excercise and have been able to shed a little over 20 lbs. In a few months. Not only does this help with your sugar relationships, you will also feel better about yourself.

Also agree on treating them appropriately while not being a simp. A small gift after a few dates that shows you have actually listened to what she is interested in goes a long way.

[BuckNaked84]

Can't tell you how many dudes out there can't comprehend why they can't get low cost pussy; but are 50 lbs overweight and treat a girl like trash.

50 and then 60 hit you in the face. Particularly 60. LOL.

[RJKing1221]

Can't tell you how many dudes out there can't comprehend why they can't get low cost pussy; but are 50 lbs overweight and treat a girl like trash.

[ProCatHunter]

1. Don't play the numbers game. If a lady insists on a number up front then she isn't in the game for the dating aspect. Focus on the ladies who are looking for a side piece. If there is a discussion about numbers, I tend to focus on broad ranges. The objective is to get to the M&G. This is where deals are closed, in person, after they get to know you. Based on percentages and numbers, I've concluded that if you can get a lady to an M&G and get her to laugh, you are more likely than not going to be able to bang her. The idea here is to make her feel like she would fuck you even if you weren't giving her any ppm / allowance. I focus and set my search filters to "newest" instead of "recently active" because the real profiles who are new are less likely to be bookers using seeking as a backpage site.

2. There are exceptions to general rule 1 above. I break them if the profile is hot or interesting enough and will engage with a numbers discussion before meeting if the lady merits it. GPS vibe before meeting- no thanks. As with above, I will provide a broad range. This will generate questions about what factors I use to determine exact amounts. Again, I give general answers, like can she host, what is she looking for, what she wants our dates to be like, but mainly focus on what our in person chemistry will be like.

3. If during the M&G there is a GPS or hooker vibe. No thanks, I move on. Plenty of fish in the sea and new profiles appear every day. Current rotations need attention. Prior SBs who have had changes in circumstances need attention too. Girls I have thrown back into the pool are often up for a spin when I'm in a pinch. Junior and the checking account can always use a break. If during the M&G the chemistry is good and it's clear she is into me; then more often than not, we won't ever even have an allowance discussion. If we do, and she's worth it, I'll be happy to provide it, but any senior knows that the allowance / PPM amounts are subject to downward change. Once a lady gets comfortable with you, the covers come off and condoms aren't required if you forgot to bring them after the fifth or sixth date and then going forward you don't ever have to. At some point, you may experience a financial difficulty (ie laid off, kid has to go to private school, etc) and so you tell her, "I really want to continue seeing you, but can't afford to." if she enjoys your company then more often than not you'll find her negotiating against herself.

But more often than not, if you focus on not engaging in the numbers discussion up front and show a lady a good time on a date; you'll find that numbers drop considerably. And most importantly, make sure you start working out. Lose the gut, dress nicely, stay well groomed, show her a good time, and don't be a douche.

Can't tell you how many dudes out there can't comprehend why they can't get low cost pussy; but are 50 lbs overweight and treat a girl like trash.

So tell us how you got PPM under 300 if you don't mind. Maybe this will help me. On a scale of 1-10 in looks, where does she land?

[Xcvxxx]

You sure cast that net far and wide. You posted this question in the forums for about 10 different cities. Why? My spidey senses are activated.

Someone else asked her was my answer.

You're right I did post in multiple places. They're not at random. I've actually visited those places before, but the reason why is because there is a wealth of knowledge out there men with real experience. Unfortunately, in my hometown, the game is dying if you look through the sugar baby forum you'll see how bad it is. So if I post it in Myrtle and only Myrtle, I would've never gotten great advice . We're all here for the same reason why settle for one when you can have as many as you'd like.

Why settle for for one post in one area when posting in a few pages will increase my chances of getting real advice.

[PRMan12]

You ask her PPM, and either counter, or say OK.

Sometimes, they lowball themselves. It has happened.

I've had more than a few for 300, average is 500, lowballed a few one and dones for less than 300, but knew.

I would never see again. Bottom line need to negotiate and depending on how hot is how the negotiation goes. I usually start with I have a range, especially for the ones that start at 800 or above. They will come down most of the time.

[BuckNaked84]

So tell us how you got PPM under 300 if you don't mind. Maybe this will help me. On a scale of 1-10 in looks, where does she land?

You ask her PPM, and either counter, or say OK.

Sometimes, they lowball themselves. It has happened.

[Gourmand56]

So tell us how you got PPM under 300 if you don't mind. Maybe this will help me. On a scale of 1-10 in looks, where does she land?

Not the op but there's no method. Sugaring online is like dating online but paying to do it. It's hit or miss. It's chemistry. It's happenstance. You'll be just one girl's type in one case and in another girl's case not so much. You'll catch one when she's feeling hot and adventurous and the next guy will catch her when she's not into it at all. It's a totally different mindset than the girls who escort or give HE's on demand. It's all the hassle of dating, but with a slightly better chance of getting laid.

The exception is you happen to meet a girl who's about to make her way into being an escort or an escort who sugars. And if you do that, it's not probably not going to be 300 PM for everything you hoped for.

The most success I've had sugaring is with girls I met in person. I don't know how old you are, but if you're my age, and a 24 year old flirts with you, she's most likely down for an arrangement.

[ChadwickX]

Have one in rotation; just turned 21; bare all access; tight young body. Amazing in bed, multi pops per session; screams "do whatever you want to me daddy" as I fuck her missionary in the ass while choking her. Loves being filmed as I desecrate her body in so many ways and Ppm is well under $300.

She is batshit crazy tho; has the need to mark me (scratches my back up while I'm nailing her); sucks me off after hitting her anal in an attempt to get me hard again; begs for me to piss in her mouth; etc, etc.

I know I need to ghost her and never look back, but my little head keeps telling me to hit it just one more time.

Fml.

So tell us how you got PPM under 300 if you don't mind. Maybe this will help me. On a scale of 1-10 in looks, where does she land?

[BuckNaked84]

Hey everyone, I'm 30 and married to my high school sweetheart. In the past, I've mostly seen pump-and-dump girls, but I'm now in a fortunate financial position where I can afford to explore the sugar daddy lifestyle. I've recently met someone new, and this arrangement feels much more promising than anything I've experienced before.

As I'm navigating this dynamic, I have a lot of questions and would love to hear from those who are more experienced in balancing it with marriage. Any private insights on maintaining boundaries, handling expectations, and keeping things smooth would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your advice!

1. Don't use your real name (ever).

2. Don't use your real phone (ever); caller ID.

3. Don't use a joint account (banking).

4. Don't have credit cards send physical mail.

5. Don't share your location with SO (get her an android, or you get one). IPhones share a lot.

6. Lock your devices with Looooong unlock codes.

7. Don't use an email your SO has access to.

Probably more, but that is the basics of OPSEC.

[ProCatHunter]

Footstomp on all of this; but emphasize that OPSEC is key.

Even if you don't encroach, maintain boundaries; and establish clear rules of engagement, you may find yourself on the wrong end of batshit crazy. Like the line from the movie Heat: "never let yourself get attached to anything that you cannot walk out on in 30 seconds if you feel the heat around the corner. ".

Just because you give her space and respect her boundaries, that doesn't mean she will do the same. It's more likely to happen if you do; but not all girls are built the same. Many who are on seeking are mentally unstable.

That said, the difference between the sugar game and escorts is the connection you develop and the "feel" of normal dating. In other words, if the person you found on seeking is asking for cash; sets a time limit for how long you see her; and has strict rules for what happens behind closed doors. You've found an escort who is using seeking as her backpage site.

The allure of the sugar world (at least for me) is when I find a 20 something year old who will let me do anything I want to her; wants to cuddle after I leave a creampie in between her legs, ass and mouth; and sends me naked pics and videos of herself masturbating to try to get my attention when I get busy with work and forget to respond to her text.

This of course leads to problems because that sort of relationship tends to come with more emotional attachments. And so the key is to compartmentalization your life and follow the "heat" rule while most young ladies lack that ability. My past is littered with SBs becoming jealous and obsessed. That's when I have to throw them back. The most recent one that started blowing me up was the one I posted about that many of you mongers were PM'ing me about for more details (not the batshit 21 year old, but the older one that tomfordmodel was asking about who had the stink puss. That one was blowing me up and trying to give the milk for free. Which is a clear sign to me that she wanted something more. Her high volume was also a bad signal).

Good luck navigating this world. It's hotel California for you now. My two cents for whatever it's worth.

Generally. It's like dating. The girls in the sugar bowl run the gamut. They don't operate off of a more or less uniform set of standards like escorts do. You got girls who want you to pay them for platonic dates and nothing else. You got girls who double as escorts and want to be paid by the hour or the night. You got girls who want a financially secure relationship that leads to marriage. You got girls that want a boyfriend who'll buy them nice things. You really have to treat each one on a case by case basis and feel them out. Then once you find her.

The best thing to do is to be as anonymous as possible and state your intentions up front. Tell them you're married and intend to stay that way. Be brutally honest and reinforce it if need be. Don't assume that they're OK with married men. Don't assume that they're going to continue to be OK with married men as things progress. The biggest threat to your marriage is a girl who feels like you played her or lead her on. Being honest and upfront about your marriage is the best protection.

And you have to maintain boundaries too. That means letting her live her life outside of whatever arrangement you have with her. If you break the contract by trying to encroach on her life, you invite her in to do the same to you. Do not overstep if you intend to stay married. Do not let jealously wreck things.

To start.