NoVA SugarBabies

[Xcvxxx]

I agree, on average I have been experiencing 400 to 500. But regarding how they SB's look, it seems to me that 300-400 girls are usually average looking or even a little overweight, maybe like 6's to 7's. Any 8's are around 500 and the 9's want 600 plus to 1 k at times (no, I have not given this high PPM because I am not a simp and don't want to contribute to letting these prices go up) Do you guys have different experiences when it comes to looks and prices? I am seeing other posts regarding being overweight, I am actually in shape so I know that is not working against me in case you all disagree with my assessment.

Also, keep in mind that the further you get from DC, the cheaper they are because of where they live such as a Richmond girl is usually 100 less.

Well I was trying to get info on this as well for my utr sb I wast posting about before.

I messaged with a few guys and we agreed based on mines looks / age / shape. I should propose no more than a monthly budget. All the guys said don't spend more than your comfortable with. I'm okay at 2000/2500 a month. So I proposed $500 per meet to mine.

She countered me at $800 because she knows she's a hot insta influencer LATINA. But I too know my worth. I'm young with money and as well in decent shape. So I told her if I did $800 I'd see her 1-3 times a month max because my budget was still the same $2/2. 5 k a month LOL.

Or $500 per meet 4/5 times a month at $2-2. 5 k a month.

Then I told her like in any relationship / business I believe we all have to invest. And I was investing stability and consistency at that budget so if she was interested I'd expect her to invest back into our relationship moving forward.

She happily took it $500 per meet 4/5 times.

Same monthly budget and I get to fuck more LOL. Some of these wiser men helped me organize that deal and I'm comfortable at that price point.

I will say one guy said more money doesn't mean more quality. I think think that guy is right. I feel if I would have told my Chick that she wouldn't try to please harder and I would be wallet hurting so that sex / relationship would prob die out faster.
Sorry to bore with my experience I thought I’d give an update to my seeking if advice and thank you guys

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To answer your question I’d say my Sb is a hard 9 not just from looks … she thought she was worth $800 I thought $500 …
All guys who private message me told me at 5/8 you should be getting exclusivity,raw,consistency,
And exactly what you want… It seems 8-10s would be in the 500/800 range from what I see …

[TttGith]

Arianna reached out to me first. I am not really in the market right now since I am happy with what I have going on but figured I would follow up with her for fun. Anyway quick to respond, wanted to hang out immediately, and quoted $500. Based upon her heading "Available Now" and the fact that she wanted to hang out right away without meeting publicly first I am thinking pro.

I've been in contact with her on on and off for over a year but never met. Comms can be pretty bad, like 2 weeks to reply. She alternates between "come tonight I'll do anything baby" texts at 11 pm and "I need guaranteed 2 k monthly before we do anything". Seems like a freak tho if you actually meet up.

[AnonDemon69]

So the new season of Love is Blind on Netflix is out and it's set in DC. Given the ladies on the show there is at least a possibility that some of the cast members have been in the bowl in the past. Anyone recognize anyone?

I went to High School with one of them. I don't think they have been in the bowl because I heard that they do a descent social media / dating app search of the contestants.

[AnonDemon69]

I've had more than a few for 300, average is 500, lowballed a few one and dones for less than 300, but knew.

I would never see again. Bottom line need to negotiate and depending on how hot is how the negotiation goes. I usually start with I have a range, especially for the ones that start at 800 or above. They will come down most of the time.

I agree, on average I have been experiencing 400 to 500. But regarding how they SB's look, it seems to me that 300-400 girls are usually average looking or even a little overweight, maybe like 6's to 7's. Any 8's are around 500 and the 9's want 600 plus to 1 k at times (no, I have not given this high PPM because I am not a simp and don't want to contribute to letting these prices go up) Do you guys have different experiences when it comes to looks and prices? I am seeing other posts regarding being overweight, I am actually in shape so I know that is not working against me in case you all disagree with my assessment.

Also, keep in mind that the further you get from DC, the cheaper they are because of where they live such as a Richmond girl is usually 100 less.

[Mandane]

So the new season of Love is Blind on Netflix is out and it's set in DC. Given the ladies on the show there is at least a possibility that some of the cast members have been in the bowl in the past. Anyone recognize anyone?

[NovaNova]

Completely understand what this man is saying. I feel seen. Getting older means losing muscle. But oddly, exercising to get pussy means we will live longer.

50 and then 60 hit you in the face. Particularly 60. LOL.

Pro Cat always offers some sound advice. Exercise fucking sucks but it pays off. Most of us are focused on our work and spend 10-12+ hours a day committed to making money. The last thing that I want to do is any kind of exercise after a long day at work. Would much rather go home, eat some steak and potatoes, and mix a couple of drinks before heading off to bed and start the same boring routine the next day. If you RTFF, there is a lot of talk about the benefits of exercise and getting into shape when you are in the sugar game. Eat right, limit the booze, get motivated to exercise and it will pay off. RFK is 70 years old, looks amazing with his shirt off, and just tore up an engagement with some 32 year old ***** all because she got wet at the thought of being with him.

[ProCatHunter]

Bucknaked's opsec post is a good one.

Opsec is key. When the crazy one tells you that the baby is yours, walk out the door without looking back. You can't do that without good opsec.

Been in the game for a long time now. Never paid for an abortion, but been accused of making babies that I know are not mine. Ladies be posting pics of babies that could not have come from my seed, because the skin tones are all wrong. Might have had to pay out had opsec not been top notch.

Very good advice from the gentleman: just a few thoughts, I was very into the SB lifestyle with many different hot girls, I enjoy peak of seeking arrangements and have a few amazing stories to share, but warning was I met a few crazy girls that black mailed me for money all the time. I had 3 sb get pregnant and had to pay for abortions, but they might have been scamming me too. Going raw is addicting and makes you only want it more. I had a few SB I couldn't get rid of. After a very turbulent time period I gave up on sb and only deal with AMPs or a few apartments. Good luck.

[CuriousVaMan]

Brother X, I owe you an apology for doubting your motives. Your explanation makes perfect sense.

I must admit, I've enjoyed reading the updated, collective wisdom of the other brothers responding to your inquiry. The replies here in NOVA and those on the LA and Atlanta Boards were very informative. I say updated wisdom because when I first started in the game a few years ago, I started from the first post on Richmond SB thread and read forward. While many of the OGs have moved on (and many remain), reading about their exploits, tips and tricks was truly enlightening. The brothers who responded to your inquiry provide an updated, concise "best practices" of how to navigate the bowl. Heed that advice.

Someone else asked her was my answer.

You're right I did post in multiple places. They're not at random. I've actually visited those places before, but the reason why is because there is a wealth of knowledge out there men with real experience. Unfortunately, in my hometown, the game is dying if you look through the sugar baby forum you'll see how bad it is. So if I post it in Myrtle and only Myrtle, I would've never gotten great advice . We're all here for the same reason why settle for one when you can have as many as you'd like.

Why settle for for one post in one area when posting in a few pages will increase my chances of getting real advice.

[Jim Rob]

Very good advice from the gentleman: just a few thoughts, I was very into the SB lifestyle with many different hot girls, I enjoy peak of seeking arrangements and have a few amazing stories to share, but warning was I met a few crazy girls that black mailed me for money all the time. I had 3 sb get pregnant and had to pay for abortions, but they might have been scamming me too. Going raw is addicting and makes you only want it more. I had a few SB I couldn't get rid of. After a very turbulent time period I gave up on sb and only deal with AMPs or a few apartments. Good luck.

1. Don't use your real name (ever).

2. Don't use your real phone (ever); caller ID.

3. Don't use a joint account (banking).

4. Don't have credit cards send physical mail.

5. Don't share your location with SO (get her an android, or you get one). IPhones share a lot.

6. Lock your devices with Looooong unlock codes.

7. Don't use an email your SO has access to.

Probably more, but that is the basics of OPSEC.

[ProCatHunter]

Completely understand what this man is saying. I feel seen. Getting older means losing muscle. But oddly, exercising to get pussy means we will live longer.

50 and then 60 hit you in the face. Particularly 60. LOL.

[ProCatHunter]

Yep. Appropriate is the key. If you're a douche, you're paying more. If you're a simp, you're paying more and you're not getting fcked.

Key here is Goldilocks. You need just the right mix of treating them right without being a douche or a simp. You're not trying to get her to marry you, you're trying to be the guy she calls when the dude who takes her out on a date expects her to pay; and the guy who paid for dinner at the Michelin star rated restaurant expects her to take it up the ass raw after the first date.

Play your cards right she'll be taking it up the ass raw and then sucking her shit off your junk.

Having a good rotation helps moderate how eager you are. It’s like planting seeds. Once you have a nice crop that is growing plenty of fruit, you can pick and choose which tree to harvest.

Work on loosing your fat gut. Most of us don't want to bang a fat girl and most of these girls don't want to bang a fat dude unless they are compensated more. The hottest girls spend a lot of time in the gym so if you are overweight, she knows right off the bat that that you and her do not have that in common. I was about 30 lbs over weight. I made minor changes to my diet while begining moderate excercise and have been able to shed a little over 20 lbs. In a few months. Not only does this help with your sugar relationships, you will also feel better about yourself.

Also agree on treating them appropriately while not being a simp. A small gift after a few dates that shows you have actually listened to what she is interested in goes a long way.

[NovaNova]

Can't tell you how many dudes out there can't comprehend why they can't get low cost pussy; but are 50 lbs overweight and treat a girl like trash.

Work on loosing your fat gut. Most of us don't want to bang a fat girl and most of these girls don't want to bang a fat dude unless they are compensated more. The hottest girls spend a lot of time in the gym so if you are overweight, she knows right off the bat that that you and her do not have that in common. I was about 30 lbs over weight. I made minor changes to my diet while begining moderate excercise and have been able to shed a little over 20 lbs. In a few months. Not only does this help with your sugar relationships, you will also feel better about yourself.

Also agree on treating them appropriately while not being a simp. A small gift after a few dates that shows you have actually listened to what she is interested in goes a long way.

[BuckNaked84]

Can't tell you how many dudes out there can't comprehend why they can't get low cost pussy; but are 50 lbs overweight and treat a girl like trash.

50 and then 60 hit you in the face. Particularly 60. LOL.

[RJKing1221]

Can't tell you how many dudes out there can't comprehend why they can't get low cost pussy; but are 50 lbs overweight and treat a girl like trash.

[ProCatHunter]

1. Don't play the numbers game. If a lady insists on a number up front then she isn't in the game for the dating aspect. Focus on the ladies who are looking for a side piece. If there is a discussion about numbers, I tend to focus on broad ranges. The objective is to get to the M&G. This is where deals are closed, in person, after they get to know you. Based on percentages and numbers, I've concluded that if you can get a lady to an M&G and get her to laugh, you are more likely than not going to be able to bang her. The idea here is to make her feel like she would fuck you even if you weren't giving her any ppm / allowance. I focus and set my search filters to "newest" instead of "recently active" because the real profiles who are new are less likely to be bookers using seeking as a backpage site.

2. There are exceptions to general rule 1 above. I break them if the profile is hot or interesting enough and will engage with a numbers discussion before meeting if the lady merits it. GPS vibe before meeting- no thanks. As with above, I will provide a broad range. This will generate questions about what factors I use to determine exact amounts. Again, I give general answers, like can she host, what is she looking for, what she wants our dates to be like, but mainly focus on what our in person chemistry will be like.

3. If during the M&G there is a GPS or hooker vibe. No thanks, I move on. Plenty of fish in the sea and new profiles appear every day. Current rotations need attention. Prior SBs who have had changes in circumstances need attention too. Girls I have thrown back into the pool are often up for a spin when I'm in a pinch. Junior and the checking account can always use a break. If during the M&G the chemistry is good and it's clear she is into me; then more often than not, we won't ever even have an allowance discussion. If we do, and she's worth it, I'll be happy to provide it, but any senior knows that the allowance / PPM amounts are subject to downward change. Once a lady gets comfortable with you, the covers come off and condoms aren't required if you forgot to bring them after the fifth or sixth date and then going forward you don't ever have to. At some point, you may experience a financial difficulty (ie laid off, kid has to go to private school, etc) and so you tell her, "I really want to continue seeing you, but can't afford to." if she enjoys your company then more often than not you'll find her negotiating against herself.

But more often than not, if you focus on not engaging in the numbers discussion up front and show a lady a good time on a date; you'll find that numbers drop considerably. And most importantly, make sure you start working out. Lose the gut, dress nicely, stay well groomed, show her a good time, and don't be a douche.

Can't tell you how many dudes out there can't comprehend why they can't get low cost pussy; but are 50 lbs overweight and treat a girl like trash.

So tell us how you got PPM under 300 if you don't mind. Maybe this will help me. On a scale of 1-10 in looks, where does she land?