Non Pro's

**KnoxNenters** · 07-26-23 18:07

Originally Posted by ProJohn1 [View Original Post]

Yes. I want a non pro. I see what you mean now. I was kind of under the impression it was more or less the standard that they would all have a PPM. So there are total non pros on there still? That's good news. It's hard to tell from the ads right. I hear the horror stories about all the bots and shit. Sometimes it seems to good to be true some of these beautiful woman who are "going to college" etc.

I got all my best advice from Darkhosis

. And I'm not the one seeking advice, btw.

Sugar is time-consuming. And it's partly a numbers game. So many of the girls are just flakes, and terrible communicators, so you kind of have to cast a wide net. Which can backfire. You'll need to be organized and keep track of their details. They hate when you're ignoring something they already told you. Most of them are mentally unsound. Actually, I think we all are.

Sometimes, you get lucky and within hours, you're on a date with intimacy. Usually an exception. The best quality relationships I've developed took weeks to get to a first date. But if you haven't set up a burner phone number account, you should. There's plenty of risk involved, so protecting your identity can be important. Blackmail is a *****.

Also, the site will permanently ban you if you get caught discussing any kind of intimacy with the notion of compensation. The moment you see the "PPM" or similar language on the site's messaging, you need to move that conversation offsite. They don't just ban your account from both Seeking and WYP, but your IP address, and MAC (machine) address, I think. It happened to a friend. I had to create an account for him, he paid me for the subscription, and has to use VPN to access it. I took the risk, but it worked.

Other advice: Don't make an offer purely on texting. They'll probably refuse you if they want a certain amount that's above your threshold. Your goal should be to meet them first, establish chemistry and connection, then negotiate. It helps if you get them a couple of drinks first. At least that's what works well for me. I've negotiated plenty of intimate first dates without meeting first, but I've found much better success having a lunch or drinks then graduating the tension to intimacy. DM if you like. Happy to dispel terrible advice.

**ProJohn1** · 07-26-23 16:22

Originally Posted by Darkhosis [View Original Post]

I don't know what you're reading but you've got it almost all wrong. You're not looking for a SD experience, you're looking for a PPM arrangement with a non-pro. That's nothing like sugaring, other than the non-pro part. If you don't understand how to talk to a woman beyond asking a price, I'd stick to the pros. You have to be able to think on your feet, it's not like putting your money on the nightstand. There are pros / semi-pros on SA. They're fairly obvious.

A majority of the posts on here are bad experiences because most guys aren't going to talk openly about their successes. Why would we want more competition? LOL.

Yes. I want a non pro. I see what you mean now. I was kind of under the impression it was more or less the standard that they would all have a PPM. So there are total non pros on there still? That's good news. It's hard to tell from the ads right. I hear the horror stories about all the bots and shit. Sometimes it seems to good to be true some of these beautiful woman who are "going to college" etc.

**3Putt** · 07-26-23 16:14

Then see where it goes. LOL.

https://members.seeking.com/member/a...d-3d8608b66984

**Mamouna** · 07-26-23 12:04

Originally Posted by ProJohn1 [View Original Post]

I am a newbie in the SD game. Can anybody give me some basic pointers on what I should include in my first message and also does my profile really matter? I would rather get straight to the point and not do endless messaging with some time waster which from casual reading seems to be a common thing. How do I know the girl is serious? Do I just simply straight up ask her what her PPM is in the first message?

I don't know what you're reading but you've got it almost all wrong. You're not looking for a SD experience, you're looking for a PPM arrangement with a non-pro. That's nothing like sugaring, other than the non-pro part. If you don't understand how to talk to a woman beyond asking a price, I'd stick to the pros. You have to be able to think on your feet, it's not like putting your money on the nightstand. There are pros / semi-pros on SA. They're fairly obvious.

A majority of the posts on here are bad experiences because most guys aren't going to talk openly about their successes. Why would we want more competition? LOL.

**DJ Tan** · 07-26-23 11:46

LOL, if it's skinny hot Chinese model and send you message, skip or block then repeat.

I've been getting message from Ukraine and Colombia babes, a lot; I am not interested in video chatting and jerking off in from of my laptop since I am not flying to Bogota / Medelline or Kyiv.

**AlanHeckle** · 07-26-23 01:45

Originally Posted by MilfHunter66 [View Original Post]

I've gotten like 3 or 4 of these in the last week. All are the same except the name.

They send you a message that reads and I quote.

"Honestly, you look like a grown man full of charm, nice to met you. My name is Rose. I'm single. Love to travel, Let's connected".

Rose Smile.

https://members.seeking.com/member/1...8-d7feb7af8704

I think I'm done playing around on seeking for a bit.

Yeah it's been brutal. I hate that site so much LOL.

**ProJohn1** · 07-26-23 01:43

I am a newbie in the SD game. Can anybody give me some basic pointers on what I should include in my first message and also does my profile really matter? I would rather get straight to the point and not do endless messaging with some time waster which from casual reading seems to be a common thing. How do I know the girl is serious? Do I just simply straight up ask her what her PPM is in the first message?

**DilzParty** · 07-26-23 00:21

Originally Posted by MilfHunter66 [View Original Post]

I think I'm done playing around on seeking for a bit.

Eh the bots are always there and easy to spot. New girl today with "Love to hit up the bars" in the About Me section.

Age: 19.

Drinks: Non Drinker.

What?

**MilfHunter66** · 07-25-23 21:23

I've gotten like 3 or 4 of these in the last week. All are the same except the name.

They send you a message that reads and I quote.

"Honestly, you look like a grown man full of charm, nice to met you. My name is Rose. I'm single. Love to travel, Let's connected".

Rose Smile.

https://members.seeking.com/member/1...8-d7feb7af8704

I think I'm done playing around on seeking for a bit.

**Twister100** · 07-23-23 14:52

SultryRunner.
https://members.seeking.com/member/e...6-bd1a466df7a9
Feels like you're chatting with a bot.

Sweetbleu.
https://members.seeking.com/member/a...4-f4692ff752c5
600 ppm and a paid m&g.

Presjenn.
https://members.seeking.com/member/0...e-abf68635db66
500 ppm, 200 m&g.

FineBelle.
https://members.seeking.com/member/1...8-ff5fce34ee8d
Pic seller.

Cutephotographer.
https://members.seeking.com/member/e...e-d9d15f5b6e01
SA messaged saying her name was Madison then wanted to move straight to text and then sent me text saying "Hey it's Bella".

**MilfHunter66** · 07-20-23 22:55

Originally Posted by Gawain [View Original Post]

Cash and dash.

Not a newbie with SA meetups of over 30 gals in last seven years minus covid period. Plus player on other channel (s) since inception.

She appeared legit. Kay on SA since 1/23. Legit vibe from initial contact, chatting, move to text on local number, agreement, time set, arrival, hour spent over meal I prepared. Very pleasant personality and conversationalist. It was her as she had sent pix and tats matched but at least 40#+ heavier. Then upon retirement to the bedroom (urged by her) she asked for donation. I felt it no harm at this point but mainly an after action for me. Only ever had 1 still current SA gal that wants upfront donation. Then she said she needed to check with sitter before we start and went to fetch her phone from her purse, then hear 'phone's in car'. Standing in my boxers, I looked out as she got in her car and backed out the drive taking off. Been 10 + years since a cash and dash. Sent quick disappoint text. She blocked me on SA and soon, phone number was NLW. A heads up.

Sorry she did that to you. I was texting with her a few months back. We even talked on the phone. Ended up really busy at work so we never were able to meet in person. She came off as real and I didn't get any weird feelings either.

**Twister100** · 07-20-23 21:37

Originally Posted by Gawain [View Original Post]

Cash and dash.

Not a newbie with SA meetups of over 30 gals in last seven years minus covid period. Plus player on other channel (s) since inception.

She appeared legit. Kay on SA since 1/23. Legit vibe from initial contact, chatting, move to text on local number, agreement, time set, arrival, hour spent over meal I prepared. Very pleasant personality and conversationalist. It was her as she had sent pix and tats matched but at least 40#+ heavier. Then upon retirement to the bedroom (urged by her) she asked for donation. I felt it no harm at this point but mainly an after action for me. Only ever had 1 still current SA gal that wants upfront donation. Then she said she needed to check with sitter before we start and went to fetch her phone from her purse, then hear 'phone's in car'. Standing in my boxers, I looked out as she got in her car and backed out the drive taking off. Been 10 + years since a cash and dash. Sent quick disappoint text. She blocked me on SA and soon, phone number was NLW. A heads up.

https://members.seeking.com/member/6...c-e67f8e92bb8d

**Gawain** · 07-20-23 14:11

Cash and dash.

Not a newbie with SA meetups of over 30 gals in last seven years minus covid period. Plus player on other channel (s) since inception.

She appeared legit. Kay on SA since 1/23. Legit vibe from initial contact, chatting, move to text on local number, agreement, time set, arrival, hour spent over meal I prepared. Very pleasant personality and conversationalist. It was her as she had sent pix and tats matched but at least 40#+ heavier. Then upon retirement to the bedroom (urged by her) she asked for donation. I felt it no harm at this point but mainly an after action for me. Only ever had 1 still current SA gal that wants upfront donation. Then she said she needed to check with sitter before we start and went to fetch her phone from her purse, then hear 'phone's in car'. Standing in my boxers, I looked out as she got in her car and backed out the drive taking off. Been 10 + years since a cash and dash. Sent quick disappoint text. She blocked me on SA and soon, phone number was NLW. A heads up.

**Marko Ramius** · 07-19-23 21:03

Originally Posted by KnoxNenters [View Original Post]

... On the flip side, though, SecretBenefits has been outed for using employees to create targeted profiles, as well as employees reading personal communications between people. They're a vile offshore entity, so they violate all the laws to get your hard earned. ...

You should *always* assume that someone is reading all of your messages on any such sites.

All I can say is that SA kicked me off for no coherent reason with no way to even find out why or do anything about it. SB hasn't done that.

If there was any other less slimy way to get all that sweet pussy, I'd drop 'them in a heartbeat. And yeah, ninety percent of the profiles on any of those sites are fake (somewhere there is a cottage industry that is producing those fake profiles, and some of the fake profiles are quite good with pictures appropriate to their location).

**KnoxNenters** · 07-19-23 19:27

Originally Posted by Michael1967 [View Original Post]

Scammers are:

1. If there is one or two pictures and no text.

2. If they say it says their income is $300,000-$1,000,000.

3. If their text says about one generic sentence.

I would add that if an offer is accepted and messaging started, within the first introductory messages, there is a push to leave the site to WhatsApp, etc. They're trying to avoid getting caught. I push them to stick around, try to get them to describe their favorite things about (your cities). The responses keep coming back, "I'd love to talk about that. On WhatsApp" (or texting, etc.). I screencap the conversation, save it, then just report them, demand a refund, then send a screenshot in the follow up emails from the site. I get refunds 9 times out of 10. I have had some fantastic sex with some people on WYP, so I keep that account active. I've also spent entirely too much time talking to scammers, saving screenshots, evidence etc. to get my 20-30 credits back. But I did get over 300 credits refunded, which led to more ...scammers and sometimes the occasional date.

Originally Posted by Michael1967 [View Original Post]

Why would someone in Aberdeen just randomly ask a guy for a date in Seattle. Who just happened to be looking at profiles in Aberdeen previous day? So, yes, I think the site is making the fake accounts.

Just something to think about is that the dating site technologies are heavy on data gathering. You showed up as searching Aberdeen for people, the site then suggests you to people in Aberdeen, even though their search may not include Seattle. On the flip side, though, SecretBenefits has been outed for using employees to create targeted profiles, as well as employees reading personal communications between people. They're a vile offshore entity, so they violate all the laws to get your hard earned. Cash? Nope. Now it's bitcoin only. Of course! Because they're violating commerce laws. This whole habit, er, hobby sucks in so many, many ways.