Non Pro's

[VanDawg]

My own opinion is that the very best deals and the least flaky ones are all over 30, and right now for me the sweetest spot is 33-37. I've got a good one right now in that age range who is keeping me busy.

I will rarely even engage with any of them under 26 anymore. Too much GPS, too much drama, too little performance. And most of them are hilariously inexperienced which can be kind of adorable but isn't exactly what I'm looking for, especially at the prices they seem to expect.

I have found lots of success with the 30+ crowd too (I'm late 40's). I don't think they get nearly the attention on there as the 18-25 crowd. Hot single moms, gym rats, tired of dating losers, know how to fuck and they are in great shape for their age.

[Marko Ramius]

My own opinion is that the very best deals and the least flaky ones are all over 30, and right now for me the sweetest spot is 33-37. I've got a good one right now in that age range who is keeping me busy.

I will rarely even engage with any of them under 26 anymore. Too much GPS, too much drama, too little performance. And most of them are hilariously inexperienced which can be kind of adorable but isn't exactly what I'm looking for, especially at the prices they seem to expect.

[Marko Ramius]

Most of them are mentally unsound.

No shit. I've got an ex SB (from about ten years ago) who at random intervals blows up my phone and email with fairly extravagant threats unless I pay her insanely huge sums of money. I just tell her to go ahead and do whatever she wants to do and block the numbers and email. As far as I can tell she is now homeless and whenever she gets or steals a phone she starts shaking people down.

A few months ago she was on a tear. I gave some of the emails to the local cops. Their reaction, and I quote, was, "what a whackjob!" Of course they didn't do anything.

[KnoxNenters]

Yes. I want a non pro. I see what you mean now. I was kind of under the impression it was more or less the standard that they would all have a PPM. So there are total non pros on there still? That's good news. It's hard to tell from the ads right. I hear the horror stories about all the bots and shit. Sometimes it seems to good to be true some of these beautiful woman who are "going to college" etc.

I got all my best advice from Darkhosis . And I'm not the one seeking advice, btw.

Sugar is time-consuming. And it's partly a numbers game. So many of the girls are just flakes, and terrible communicators, so you kind of have to cast a wide net. Which can backfire. You'll need to be organized and keep track of their details. They hate when you're ignoring something they already told you. Most of them are mentally unsound. Actually, I think we all are.

Sometimes, you get lucky and within hours, you're on a date with intimacy. Usually an exception. The best quality relationships I've developed took weeks to get to a first date. But if you haven't set up a burner phone number account, you should. There's plenty of risk involved, so protecting your identity can be important. Blackmail is a *****.

Also, the site will permanently ban you if you get caught discussing any kind of intimacy with the notion of compensation. The moment you see the "PPM" or similar language on the site's messaging, you need to move that conversation offsite. They don't just ban your account from both Seeking and WYP, but your IP address, and MAC (machine) address, I think. It happened to a friend. I had to create an account for him, he paid me for the subscription, and has to use VPN to access it. I took the risk, but it worked.

Other advice: Don't make an offer purely on texting. They'll probably refuse you if they want a certain amount that's above your threshold. Your goal should be to meet them first, establish chemistry and connection, then negotiate. It helps if you get them a couple of drinks first. At least that's what works well for me. I've negotiated plenty of intimate first dates without meeting first, but I've found much better success having a lunch or drinks then graduating the tension to intimacy. DM if you like. Happy to dispel terrible advice.

[ProJohn1]

I don't know what you're reading but you've got it almost all wrong. You're not looking for a SD experience, you're looking for a PPM arrangement with a non-pro. That's nothing like sugaring, other than the non-pro part. If you don't understand how to talk to a woman beyond asking a price, I'd stick to the pros. You have to be able to think on your feet, it's not like putting your money on the nightstand. There are pros / semi-pros on SA. They're fairly obvious.

A majority of the posts on here are bad experiences because most guys aren't going to talk openly about their successes. Why would we want more competition? LOL.

Yes. I want a non pro. I see what you mean now. I was kind of under the impression it was more or less the standard that they would all have a PPM. So there are total non pros on there still? That's good news. It's hard to tell from the ads right. I hear the horror stories about all the bots and shit. Sometimes it seems to good to be true some of these beautiful woman who are "going to college" etc.

[3Putt]

Then see where it goes. LOL.

https://members.seeking.com/member/a...d-3d8608b66984

[Mamouna]

I am a newbie in the SD game. Can anybody give me some basic pointers on what I should include in my first message and also does my profile really matter? I would rather get straight to the point and not do endless messaging with some time waster which from casual reading seems to be a common thing. How do I know the girl is serious? Do I just simply straight up ask her what her PPM is in the first message?

I don't know what you're reading but you've got it almost all wrong. You're not looking for a SD experience, you're looking for a PPM arrangement with a non-pro. That's nothing like sugaring, other than the non-pro part. If you don't understand how to talk to a woman beyond asking a price, I'd stick to the pros. You have to be able to think on your feet, it's not like putting your money on the nightstand. There are pros / semi-pros on SA. They're fairly obvious.

A majority of the posts on here are bad experiences because most guys aren't going to talk openly about their successes. Why would we want more competition? LOL.

[DJ Tan]

LOL, if it's skinny hot Chinese model and send you message, skip or block then repeat.

I've been getting message from Ukraine and Colombia babes, a lot; I am not interested in video chatting and jerking off in from of my laptop since I am not flying to Bogota / Medelline or Kyiv.

[AlanHeckle]

I've gotten like 3 or 4 of these in the last week. All are the same except the name.

They send you a message that reads and I quote.

"Honestly, you look like a grown man full of charm, nice to met you. My name is Rose. I'm single. Love to travel, Let's connected".

Rose Smile.

https://members.seeking.com/member/1...8-d7feb7af8704

I think I'm done playing around on seeking for a bit.

Yeah it's been brutal. I hate that site so much LOL.

[ProJohn1]

I am a newbie in the SD game. Can anybody give me some basic pointers on what I should include in my first message and also does my profile really matter? I would rather get straight to the point and not do endless messaging with some time waster which from casual reading seems to be a common thing. How do I know the girl is serious? Do I just simply straight up ask her what her PPM is in the first message?

[DilzParty]

I think I'm done playing around on seeking for a bit.

Eh the bots are always there and easy to spot. New girl today with "Love to hit up the bars" in the About Me section.

Age: 19.

Drinks: Non Drinker.

What?

[MilfHunter66]

I've gotten like 3 or 4 of these in the last week. All are the same except the name.

They send you a message that reads and I quote.

"Honestly, you look like a grown man full of charm, nice to met you. My name is Rose. I'm single. Love to travel, Let's connected".

Rose Smile.

https://members.seeking.com/member/1...8-d7feb7af8704

I think I'm done playing around on seeking for a bit.

[Twister100]

SultryRunner.
https://members.seeking.com/member/e...6-bd1a466df7a9
Feels like you're chatting with a bot.

Sweetbleu.
https://members.seeking.com/member/a...4-f4692ff752c5
600 ppm and a paid m&g.

Presjenn.
https://members.seeking.com/member/0...e-abf68635db66
500 ppm, 200 m&g.

FineBelle.
https://members.seeking.com/member/1...8-ff5fce34ee8d
Pic seller.

Cutephotographer.
https://members.seeking.com/member/e...e-d9d15f5b6e01
SA messaged saying her name was Madison then wanted to move straight to text and then sent me text saying "Hey it's Bella".

[MilfHunter66]

Cash and dash.

Not a newbie with SA meetups of over 30 gals in last seven years minus covid period. Plus player on other channel (s) since inception.

She appeared legit. Kay on SA since 1/23. Legit vibe from initial contact, chatting, move to text on local number, agreement, time set, arrival, hour spent over meal I prepared. Very pleasant personality and conversationalist. It was her as she had sent pix and tats matched but at least 40#+ heavier. Then upon retirement to the bedroom (urged by her) she asked for donation. I felt it no harm at this point but mainly an after action for me. Only ever had 1 still current SA gal that wants upfront donation. Then she said she needed to check with sitter before we start and went to fetch her phone from her purse, then hear 'phone's in car'. Standing in my boxers, I looked out as she got in her car and backed out the drive taking off. Been 10 + years since a cash and dash. Sent quick disappoint text. She blocked me on SA and soon, phone number was NLW. A heads up.

Sorry she did that to you. I was texting with her a few months back. We even talked on the phone. Ended up really busy at work so we never were able to meet in person. She came off as real and I didn't get any weird feelings either.

[Twister100]

Cash and dash.

Not a newbie with SA meetups of over 30 gals in last seven years minus covid period. Plus player on other channel (s) since inception.

She appeared legit. Kay on SA since 1/23. Legit vibe from initial contact, chatting, move to text on local number, agreement, time set, arrival, hour spent over meal I prepared. Very pleasant personality and conversationalist. It was her as she had sent pix and tats matched but at least 40#+ heavier. Then upon retirement to the bedroom (urged by her) she asked for donation. I felt it no harm at this point but mainly an after action for me. Only ever had 1 still current SA gal that wants upfront donation. Then she said she needed to check with sitter before we start and went to fetch her phone from her purse, then hear 'phone's in car'. Standing in my boxers, I looked out as she got in her car and backed out the drive taking off. Been 10 + years since a cash and dash. Sent quick disappoint text. She blocked me on SA and soon, phone number was NLW. A heads up.

https://members.seeking.com/member/6...c-e67f8e92bb8d