Non Pro's

[HelloThar]

Kay can host but she prefers not to, and definitely wouldn't the first time you hook up with her.

Thanks for the info. I'm too lazy to work through that, especially since the one I'm seeing now is similar in looks, location, and rate but so much more easygoing all around. That, and I don't have a boat, LOL.

[MaCross19]

Kay can host but she prefers not to, and definitely wouldn't the first time you hook up with her.

[HelloThar]

https://members.seeking.com/member/8...3-4d5ce4e1193c

Can host for $400, but don't have any other info. Apparently she's been reported here before a couple years back but no information was given other than through DMs. She's one among many I messaged but not interested after looking at her pics again.

Kay.

https://members.seeking.com/member/8...d-ad9053658db4

Best sex I have ever had on the site but she is picky as hell. She likes boats so if you have a boat that will help. We ended up doing $500 per meet. Again best sex I have ever had on here's but then she ghosted.

Her pictures look great, but damn, you can tell she's high maintenance in that bio. I actually had her hidden, but I'm sure a lot of guys wouldn't mind even a one and done if they get the same experience at that rate. Can she host at all?

Anyone else notice if they have a shitload of items on their wishlist, it's almost always a red flag, LOL.

Thanks for the shoutout, its nice to see that ones contributions are appreciated.

It also helps I think with the hesitant newbies as they get a bit overwhelmed by the directness and do not engage with me. I have not met many newbies, and the couple that I did were absolute gems.

Also at some point once we are on text, I initiate sexting, if I can not openly chat about how we are going to fuck, then the probability of that actually happen is going to be low, I rather know in advance and not waste my time on a M&G. Its also a good way to figure what they are comfortable doing. I never directly ask about BB or Anal, I just describe it on the things we could do and let them respond to that, if they say, that sounds great, then you are good to go

Being direct while respectful works well. My closing percentage on the first M&G is around 90%, because by that point its pretty obvious what we both want, but I always give them the option to back down as pressuring them would end up on a poor experience.

I wouldn't mind meeting a newbie, though I can tell it's definitely going to be rare. I like the fact that it's generally clearcut if they get overwhelmed at least as it makes passing or continuing the process easier. If there's any doubt whatsoever in their responses, it's almost always not going to continue from there.

I'm probably a bit more reserved on sexting unless they start it themselves, but I don't blame you for initiating it as a means to see how they respond or if they have certain boundaries. I'd probably just straight up ask them the latter, LOL, but then again I'm not looking for anything too specific. Yet.

Also agree that M&G should basically be a formality as long as you aren't a creep and filtered well by that point. I'm also of the same idea that if they don't enjoy the experience, I won't either, so I make sure to emphasize that.

[DelToro]

Michael, you and DelToro, among others here are definitely the go to's for experience. The ones that can admit what they're doing and not let it bother them are the ones getting shit done and being rewarded for it, and that's exactly what most guys want. It's a wakeup call for everyone else.

Thanks for the shoutout, its nice to see that ones contributions are appreciated.

I'm with some of the others on here and agree that being direct and fairly explicit, but respectful is best. I just don't have the patience to beat around the bush (heh). You might miss out on some that you could grind out and work with, but I don't mind that if it means weeding out a majority of time wasters, scammers, or those looking for something serious, one or two messages in or sooner..

To me that has worked well. I can go several times so I make sure that the expectation of multiples is there. Many do not reply when I reach but when they do, there is no doubt that fucking several times is the expectation, if we match and reach and agreement, etc. I also mention that I am looking for something consistent, and its true, its hard for me to find somebody that can keep up, when that happens I want to keep seeing them. They definitely like the idea that is not just a hook up.

It also helps I think with the hesitant newbies as they get a bit overwhelmed by the directness and do not engage with me. I have not met many newbies, and the couple that I did were absolute gems.

Also at some point once we are on text, I initiate sexting, if I can not openly chat about how we are going to fuck, then the probability of that actually happen is going to be low, I rather know in advance and not waste my time on a M&G. Its also a good way to figure what they are comfortable doing. I never directly ask about BB or Anal, I just describe it on the things we could do and let them respond to that, if they say, that sounds great, then you are good to go

Being direct while respectful works well. My closing percentage on the first M&G is around 90%, because by that point its pretty obvious what we both want, but I always give them the option to back down as pressuring them would end up on a poor experience.

[BoBroBgobs]

It is actually the opposite. The fat one requires condoms. But I don't want to pay $800 for one hot girl.

And I'd use a condom if I were you with the hot one as well. I had seen her like a year back (I think I had posted a report saying she gave a very pro vibe), and then recently a couple of months ago. During the recent one, we got talking and it seems she basically likes getting hammered and carelessly fuck anyone and everyone. She was telling stories about getting taken advantage of and getting stds like it was nothing. I never bring protection into the conversation, if it ever does I have my reports ready. This time I had a condom in my hand in no time.

[MaCross19]

Kay.

https://members.seeking.com/member/8...d-ad9053658db4

Best sex I have ever had on the site but she is picky as hell. She likes boats so if you have a boat that will help. We ended up doing $500 per meet. Again best sex I have ever had on here's but then she ghosted.

[HelloThar]

I'm very thankfull for all the good info too.

It's definitely a learning curve. I'm not new to seeing "escorts" but this whole non pro but kinda a pro thing is still new.

I have had really good luck picking escorts. Never been robbed and only had a couple bad experiances.

The two three months stints on seeking has been a eyeopener.

Thanks again for all the help.

Same for me as well with my minimal experience. There's just little to think about when booking a pro, but anyone on seeking takes some finesse to get to that point much akin to dating.

One thing I've been dealing with lately is reflecting on what kind of relationship I'd want or how to balance liking a non-pro without getting overly attached. The transactional nature of things and me not wanting any commitment makes it so I don't think I ever will, but it's definitely more difficult to distance yourself versus pros. There's just a lot more intangibles to enjoy in addition to the usual, especially if you pick ones that are sincere and genuine (or who are good at acting as much).

[MilfHunter66]

Michael, you and DelToro, among others here are definitely the go to's for experience. The ones that can admit what they're doing and not let it bother them are the ones getting shit done and being rewarded for it, and that's exactly what most guys want. It's a wakeup call for everyone else.

I'm very thankfull for all the good info too.

It's definitely a learning curve. I'm not new to seeing "escorts" but this whole non pro but kinda a pro thing is still new.

I have had really good luck picking escorts. Never been robbed and only had a couple bad experiances.

The two three months stints on seeking has been a eyeopener.

Thanks again for all the help.

[HelloThar]

I've mentioned this many times and it's one of the reasons I avoid newbies. Many women think that they can fuck some guy for money. They think about the bar hookups they had, the drunken nights where they took some guy home etc. ,. They figure if they had lots of sex with random men and got nothing out of it, then it should be a no brainer to fuck a guy that actually gives them something. One of my favorite sayings that I invented is, "it's all fun and games until the dick comes out" TM. They have this fantasy of all the money they will make, all the nice restaurants they will go to, all the trips they will take, but at some point, when it comes time to actually put out, they realize that sugar babies are basically hookers with a publicist. No matter what spin you put on it, if you're fucking for money then you're a hooker. Some people are just fine with that; most are not. Once you fuck for money, you can't feel superior and look down on the other women that you probably called hobags or skanks in the past. So, you have a lot of newbies that bail when it comes time to meet.

Michael, you and DelToro, among others here are definitely the go to's for experience. The ones that can admit what they're doing and not let it bother them are the ones getting shit done and being rewarded for it, and that's exactly what most guys want. It's a wakeup call for everyone else.

[Michael1967]

The last couple of months I had contact with several women ages 35-45. Several lead to phone calls. I would say I hit it off really good with 3 of them. When it came time to meet in person they all either had some sort of excuse or just went ghost. These were like let's meet for a nice dinner and go from there meetups. That's what they were asking for too.

I'm coming to a conclusion that most of those women just want to know a guy wants them. They want to feel wanted but don't really want anything physical. It's like there just out to to with men and collect them.

Maybe it's just me LOL. I have had good luck with the mid 20's to early 30's BTW.

I've mentioned this many times and it's one of the reasons I avoid newbies. Many women think that they can fuck some guy for money. They think about the bar hookups they had, the drunken nights where they took some guy home etc. ,. They figure if they had lots of sex with random men and got nothing out of it, then it should be a no brainer to fuck a guy that actually gives them something. One of my favorite sayings that I invented is, "it's all fun and games until the dick comes out" TM. They have this fantasy of all the money they will make, all the nice restaurants they will go to, all the trips they will take, but at some point, when it comes time to actually put out, they realize that sugar babies are basically hookers with a publicist. No matter what spin you put on it, if you're fucking for money then you're a hooker. Some people are just fine with that; most are not. Once you fuck for money, you can't feel superior and look down on the other women that you probably called hobags or skanks in the past. So, you have a lot of newbies that bail when it comes time to meet.

[HelloThar]

The last couple of months I had contact with several women ages 35-45. Several lead to phone calls. I would say I hit it off really good with 3 of them. When it came time to meet in person they all either had some sort of excuse or just went ghost. These were like let's meet for a nice dinner and go from there meetups. That's what they were asking for too.

I'm coming to a conclusion that most of those women just want to know a guy wants them. They want to feel wanted but don't really want anything physical. It's like there just out to to with men and collect them.

Maybe it's just me LOL. I have had good luck with the mid 20's to early 30's BTW.

Probably have to be extra strict on filtering, or if you want to run the risk of losing some, skip the meet and' greets, chat at your / their place first, or schedule the greets almost immediately and near-term after a brief interaction to see how they react. Most of the women make it obvious if they want to do this or not with a few blunt questions.

Basically don't give them much of a chance to change their mind, and if they do, the amount of validation they get is minimal and less of your time is wasted. Then again I kind of treat it like I'm giving them a job interview until we meet face to face when it's much more chill. Funny enough, while I have zero tolerance for games, everyone always say I'm very nice and easygoing when we meet -- just annoying how much work it can take to get to that point.

[MilfHunter66]

The last couple of months I had contact with several women ages 35-45. Several lead to phone calls. I would say I hit it off really good with 3 of them. When it came time to meet in person they all either had some sort of excuse or just went ghost. These were like let's meet for a nice dinner and go from there meetups. That's what they were asking for too.

I'm coming to a conclusion that most of those women just want to know a guy wants them. They want to feel wanted but don't really want anything physical. It's like there just out to to with men and collect them.

Maybe it's just me LOL. I have had good luck with the mid 20's to early 30's BTW.

[KnoxNenters]

I feel like a manwhore, I keep knowing all these fucked up people.

You're not alone, brother. I think we all have stories. But she sounds like the reddest of all flags. Escorts at least operate in the open about what they're up to, and are most likely using protection. A girl on seeking having unprotected sex 4-5 times for money is clearly a trafficked prostitute, and that boyfriend story isn't real. Yikes.

I wish all of us were able to share more red-flag stories with girls active on these sites, to help the rest of us save time and resources. None of us go out searching for these types. To find out they're that way after all the energy we put into finding someone is super frustrating. There's already too many frustrations with liars, scammers, no-shows, desperate for money but too lazy to change their life-types.

The Portland Non-Pros forum (http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...1774-Non-Pro-s) has a saint, Mizunate (http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/sear...earchid=903803) doing the lord's work of calling out the ones he has come across that are worth avoiding. We should have someone here do that. How about all of us? LOL.

[HelloThar]

Thanks for the info. I didn't get any of that info out of her on our meetup.

She ended up contacting me just a little bit ago. Her crazy came out big time LOL. Went from acting shy to bat shit crazy. I had to block her, I just don't want to deal with that.

Some of these women can put up a good act for you. But there act eventually shows cracks and falls apart. Oh well on to the next.

I feel if you do a decent job filtering out the crazies that the types on here seem a bit more levelheaded at least.

I'm actually surprised coming across some people you normally wouldn't think would be in this scene due to their background or career such as tech professionals in big companies. Or they're someone you wouldn't even mind dating if circumstances were different or they were closer in age.

Just shows everyone has their hustles.

[MilfHunter66]

DJ Sybian, I met around April or May of last year. She came to my place a few times for $400 each. We hit it off, but there are a million red flags.

1. After we had sex, she said she'd be raped 3 weeks earlier. Claimed that she was doing Instacart and someone drugged her while she was shopping, took her out of the store. She woke up naked in the back of pick up truck with some guy stripping her car. According to her, the police showed up, told her to get dressed and go home and let the guy go. The story is so unbelievable that I was skeptical. I believe she was raped, but I couldn't imagine any cop in Washington State encountering a naked woman claiming she was raped and telling her to get dressed and go home and let the guy go. I believe it has something to do with the other things she told me.

2. She mentioned she was raped previously to this instance. She got drunk and woke up being fucked by several guys. Never reported.

3. Before that, she was raped again. She was at a bar, got drunk and woke up in a hotel room with two guys having sex with her. Once they were done, they put her on the streets to work for several weeks. She eventually got sick and they dumped her off at the hospital. When she was discharged, she didn't have anywhere to go, so she went back to motel looking for the guys that trafficked her.

4. Her best sexual experience was when she took on six guys. I asked how it happened, she didn't remember how it started but she was really drunk (see a pattern here?).

5. She was seeing 4-5 people per day on Seeking. No screening at all, all bareback (because guys didn't want to pay if it wasn't bareback). If they had $400 she'd immediately go to their place, no questions asked.

All of that made me realize that she has too many issues to fuck. I finally casually mentioned that it's sounds like she has a problem with alcohol. If you've been raped at least three times while drunk (I believe she had a couple of more rapes that happened to her, she said she was really unlucky) and had a gang bang while drunk. I also mentioned that I was concerned for her safety with her basically going to any guys house that has $400 without screening. She got EXTREMELY pissed at me for bringing it up (You don't know me!). So, I just blocked from my phone and online and got tested.

Oh and as far as this instance. She had a boyfriend that took care of her (she didn't need to work as an escort) and he hated that she was going out and working. She would fuck people to piss him off and (of course) for money. If I remember correctly, her boyfriend was tall and was on the spectrum. He had her arrested once for domestic violence.

In the end though, she was a great fuck (at the time, it's been a year, she may be jaded now), but all the crazy ones are great fucks.

I feel like a manwhore, I keep knowing all these fucked up people.

Thanks for the info. I didn't get any of that info out of her on our meetup.

She ended up contacting me just a little bit ago. Her crazy came out big time LOL. Went from acting shy to bat shit crazy. I had to block her, I just don't want to deal with that.

Some of these women can put up a good act for you. But there act eventually shows cracks and falls apart. Oh well on to the next.