Non Pro's

[HelloThar]

I'm very thankfull for all the good info too.

It's definitely a learning curve. I'm not new to seeing "escorts" but this whole non pro but kinda a pro thing is still new.

I have had really good luck picking escorts. Never been robbed and only had a couple bad experiances.

The two three months stints on seeking has been a eyeopener.

Thanks again for all the help.

Same for me as well with my minimal experience. There's just little to think about when booking a pro, but anyone on seeking takes some finesse to get to that point much akin to dating.

One thing I've been dealing with lately is reflecting on what kind of relationship I'd want or how to balance liking a non-pro without getting overly attached. The transactional nature of things and me not wanting any commitment makes it so I don't think I ever will, but it's definitely more difficult to distance yourself versus pros. There's just a lot more intangibles to enjoy in addition to the usual, especially if you pick ones that are sincere and genuine (or who are good at acting as much).

[MilfHunter66]

Michael, you and DelToro, among others here are definitely the go to's for experience. The ones that can admit what they're doing and not let it bother them are the ones getting shit done and being rewarded for it, and that's exactly what most guys want. It's a wakeup call for everyone else.

I'm very thankfull for all the good info too.

It's definitely a learning curve. I'm not new to seeing "escorts" but this whole non pro but kinda a pro thing is still new.

I have had really good luck picking escorts. Never been robbed and only had a couple bad experiances.

The two three months stints on seeking has been a eyeopener.

Thanks again for all the help.

[HelloThar]

I've mentioned this many times and it's one of the reasons I avoid newbies. Many women think that they can fuck some guy for money. They think about the bar hookups they had, the drunken nights where they took some guy home etc. ,. They figure if they had lots of sex with random men and got nothing out of it, then it should be a no brainer to fuck a guy that actually gives them something. One of my favorite sayings that I invented is, "it's all fun and games until the dick comes out" TM. They have this fantasy of all the money they will make, all the nice restaurants they will go to, all the trips they will take, but at some point, when it comes time to actually put out, they realize that sugar babies are basically hookers with a publicist. No matter what spin you put on it, if you're fucking for money then you're a hooker. Some people are just fine with that; most are not. Once you fuck for money, you can't feel superior and look down on the other women that you probably called hobags or skanks in the past. So, you have a lot of newbies that bail when it comes time to meet.

Michael, you and DelToro, among others here are definitely the go to's for experience. The ones that can admit what they're doing and not let it bother them are the ones getting shit done and being rewarded for it, and that's exactly what most guys want. It's a wakeup call for everyone else.

[Michael1967]

The last couple of months I had contact with several women ages 35-45. Several lead to phone calls. I would say I hit it off really good with 3 of them. When it came time to meet in person they all either had some sort of excuse or just went ghost. These were like let's meet for a nice dinner and go from there meetups. That's what they were asking for too.

I'm coming to a conclusion that most of those women just want to know a guy wants them. They want to feel wanted but don't really want anything physical. It's like there just out to to with men and collect them.

Maybe it's just me LOL. I have had good luck with the mid 20's to early 30's BTW.

I've mentioned this many times and it's one of the reasons I avoid newbies. Many women think that they can fuck some guy for money. They think about the bar hookups they had, the drunken nights where they took some guy home etc. ,. They figure if they had lots of sex with random men and got nothing out of it, then it should be a no brainer to fuck a guy that actually gives them something. One of my favorite sayings that I invented is, "it's all fun and games until the dick comes out" TM. They have this fantasy of all the money they will make, all the nice restaurants they will go to, all the trips they will take, but at some point, when it comes time to actually put out, they realize that sugar babies are basically hookers with a publicist. No matter what spin you put on it, if you're fucking for money then you're a hooker. Some people are just fine with that; most are not. Once you fuck for money, you can't feel superior and look down on the other women that you probably called hobags or skanks in the past. So, you have a lot of newbies that bail when it comes time to meet.

[HelloThar]

The last couple of months I had contact with several women ages 35-45. Several lead to phone calls. I would say I hit it off really good with 3 of them. When it came time to meet in person they all either had some sort of excuse or just went ghost. These were like let's meet for a nice dinner and go from there meetups. That's what they were asking for too.

I'm coming to a conclusion that most of those women just want to know a guy wants them. They want to feel wanted but don't really want anything physical. It's like there just out to to with men and collect them.

Maybe it's just me LOL. I have had good luck with the mid 20's to early 30's BTW.

Probably have to be extra strict on filtering, or if you want to run the risk of losing some, skip the meet and' greets, chat at your / their place first, or schedule the greets almost immediately and near-term after a brief interaction to see how they react. Most of the women make it obvious if they want to do this or not with a few blunt questions.

Basically don't give them much of a chance to change their mind, and if they do, the amount of validation they get is minimal and less of your time is wasted. Then again I kind of treat it like I'm giving them a job interview until we meet face to face when it's much more chill. Funny enough, while I have zero tolerance for games, everyone always say I'm very nice and easygoing when we meet -- just annoying how much work it can take to get to that point.

[MilfHunter66]

The last couple of months I had contact with several women ages 35-45. Several lead to phone calls. I would say I hit it off really good with 3 of them. When it came time to meet in person they all either had some sort of excuse or just went ghost. These were like let's meet for a nice dinner and go from there meetups. That's what they were asking for too.

I'm coming to a conclusion that most of those women just want to know a guy wants them. They want to feel wanted but don't really want anything physical. It's like there just out to to with men and collect them.

Maybe it's just me LOL. I have had good luck with the mid 20's to early 30's BTW.

[KnoxNenters]

I feel like a manwhore, I keep knowing all these fucked up people.

You're not alone, brother. I think we all have stories. But she sounds like the reddest of all flags. Escorts at least operate in the open about what they're up to, and are most likely using protection. A girl on seeking having unprotected sex 4-5 times for money is clearly a trafficked prostitute, and that boyfriend story isn't real. Yikes.

I wish all of us were able to share more red-flag stories with girls active on these sites, to help the rest of us save time and resources. None of us go out searching for these types. To find out they're that way after all the energy we put into finding someone is super frustrating. There's already too many frustrations with liars, scammers, no-shows, desperate for money but too lazy to change their life-types.

The Portland Non-Pros forum (http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...1774-Non-Pro-s) has a saint, Mizunate (http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/sear...earchid=903803) doing the lord's work of calling out the ones he has come across that are worth avoiding. We should have someone here do that. How about all of us? LOL.

[HelloThar]

Thanks for the info. I didn't get any of that info out of her on our meetup.

She ended up contacting me just a little bit ago. Her crazy came out big time LOL. Went from acting shy to bat shit crazy. I had to block her, I just don't want to deal with that.

Some of these women can put up a good act for you. But there act eventually shows cracks and falls apart. Oh well on to the next.

I feel if you do a decent job filtering out the crazies that the types on here seem a bit more levelheaded at least.

I'm actually surprised coming across some people you normally wouldn't think would be in this scene due to their background or career such as tech professionals in big companies. Or they're someone you wouldn't even mind dating if circumstances were different or they were closer in age.

Just shows everyone has their hustles.

[MilfHunter66]

DJ Sybian, I met around April or May of last year. She came to my place a few times for $400 each. We hit it off, but there are a million red flags.

1. After we had sex, she said she'd be raped 3 weeks earlier. Claimed that she was doing Instacart and someone drugged her while she was shopping, took her out of the store. She woke up naked in the back of pick up truck with some guy stripping her car. According to her, the police showed up, told her to get dressed and go home and let the guy go. The story is so unbelievable that I was skeptical. I believe she was raped, but I couldn't imagine any cop in Washington State encountering a naked woman claiming she was raped and telling her to get dressed and go home and let the guy go. I believe it has something to do with the other things she told me.

2. She mentioned she was raped previously to this instance. She got drunk and woke up being fucked by several guys. Never reported.

3. Before that, she was raped again. She was at a bar, got drunk and woke up in a hotel room with two guys having sex with her. Once they were done, they put her on the streets to work for several weeks. She eventually got sick and they dumped her off at the hospital. When she was discharged, she didn't have anywhere to go, so she went back to motel looking for the guys that trafficked her.

4. Her best sexual experience was when she took on six guys. I asked how it happened, she didn't remember how it started but she was really drunk (see a pattern here?).

5. She was seeing 4-5 people per day on Seeking. No screening at all, all bareback (because guys didn't want to pay if it wasn't bareback). If they had $400 she'd immediately go to their place, no questions asked.

All of that made me realize that she has too many issues to fuck. I finally casually mentioned that it's sounds like she has a problem with alcohol. If you've been raped at least three times while drunk (I believe she had a couple of more rapes that happened to her, she said she was really unlucky) and had a gang bang while drunk. I also mentioned that I was concerned for her safety with her basically going to any guys house that has $400 without screening. She got EXTREMELY pissed at me for bringing it up (You don't know me!). So, I just blocked from my phone and online and got tested.

Oh and as far as this instance. She had a boyfriend that took care of her (she didn't need to work as an escort) and he hated that she was going out and working. She would fuck people to piss him off and (of course) for money. If I remember correctly, her boyfriend was tall and was on the spectrum. He had her arrested once for domestic violence.

In the end though, she was a great fuck (at the time, it's been a year, she may be jaded now), but all the crazy ones are great fucks.

I feel like a manwhore, I keep knowing all these fucked up people.

Thanks for the info. I didn't get any of that info out of her on our meetup.

She ended up contacting me just a little bit ago. Her crazy came out big time LOL. Went from acting shy to bat shit crazy. I had to block her, I just don't want to deal with that.

Some of these women can put up a good act for you. But there act eventually shows cracks and falls apart. Oh well on to the next.

[HelloThar]

I realized I hadn't finished setting up my profile to get connected with folks. I was curious what works best from your experience? What should one say vs. Not say?

I'm with some of the others on here and agree that being direct and fairly explicit, but respectful is best. I just don't have the patience to beat around the bush (heh). You might miss out on some that you could grind out and work with, but I don't mind that if it means weeding out a majority of time wasters, scammers, or those looking for something serious, one or two messages in or sooner.

A good example is asking if they're comfortable with intimacy and if they ask you to elaborate, ask if that means sex, or aren't confident in their reply, I almost always drop them. I don't mind a good reply while also saying they'd want to make sure we click first though.

Also it helps to put SB / SD / mutually beneficial in your bio, some do keyword searches. There are some who also hide themselves from being searched for discretion reasons, so it's worth having a good bio; they'll find you themselves.

If you aren't picky like I am or don't hate driving to downtown Seattle, you can find a few fairly easily. I would not be surprised if the majority are ones users in this thread already have arrangements with, but just aren't sharing. The pool of known, good SB's is smaller than one would think (though I think it'll be more common with time). Hell, I feel like I've gone through almost every profile in the area within the past few days. Just wish there were more non-Seattle ones.

[Michael1967]

Avoid this one.

https://members.seeking.com/member/2...6-f96f038609c1

Seen her once a few months ago. I wasn't going to see her again because it was just an ok time.

She reached out last week wanting to see me again. I figured what the heck maybe it would be better this time since we had been together once. Communication was great all week. A hour before she texted me saying how excited she was. I was going to her apartment BTW. About 10 minutes I let her know I was almost there. Parked texted I was there. Started walking to here place and was approached by a guy asking what I was doing here. I said I was visiting a friend. He said no I wasn't and should leave. So I did. I sent her a few more text but never heard anything back.

Be warned

DJ Sybian, I met around April or May of last year. She came to my place a few times for $400 each. We hit it off, but there are a million red flags.

1. After we had sex, she said she'd be raped 3 weeks earlier. Claimed that she was doing Instacart and someone drugged her while she was shopping, took her out of the store. She woke up naked in the back of pick up truck with some guy stripping her car. According to her, the police showed up, told her to get dressed and go home and let the guy go. The story is so unbelievable that I was skeptical. I believe she was raped, but I couldn't imagine any cop in Washington State encountering a naked woman claiming she was raped and telling her to get dressed and go home and let the guy go. I believe it has something to do with the other things she told me.

2. She mentioned she was raped previously to this instance. She got drunk and woke up being fucked by several guys. Never reported.

3. Before that, she was raped again. She was at a bar, got drunk and woke up in a hotel room with two guys having sex with her. Once they were done, they put her on the streets to work for several weeks. She eventually got sick and they dumped her off at the hospital. When she was discharged, she didn't have anywhere to go, so she went back to motel looking for the guys that trafficked her.

4. Her best sexual experience was when she took on six guys. I asked how it happened, she didn't remember how it started but she was really drunk (see a pattern here?).

5. She was seeing 4-5 people per day on Seeking. No screening at all, all bareback (because guys didn't want to pay if it wasn't bareback). If they had $400 she'd immediately go to their place, no questions asked.

All of that made me realize that she has too many issues to fuck. I finally casually mentioned that it's sounds like she has a problem with alcohol. If you've been raped at least three times while drunk (I believe she had a couple of more rapes that happened to her, she said she was really unlucky) and had a gang bang while drunk. I also mentioned that I was concerned for her safety with her basically going to any guys house that has $400 without screening. She got EXTREMELY pissed at me for bringing it up (You don't know me!). So, I just blocked from my phone and online and got tested.

Oh and as far as this instance. She had a boyfriend that took care of her (she didn't need to work as an escort) and he hated that she was going out and working. She would fuck people to piss him off and (of course) for money. If I remember correctly, her boyfriend was tall and was on the spectrum. He had her arrested once for domestic violence.

In the end though, she was a great fuck (at the time, it's been a year, she may be jaded now), but all the crazy ones are great fucks.

I feel like a manwhore, I keep knowing all these fucked up people.

[MilfHunter66]

Avoid this one.

https://members.seeking.com/member/2...6-f96f038609c1

Seen her once a few months ago. I wasn't going to see her again because it was just an ok time.

She reached out last week wanting to see me again. I figured what the heck maybe it would be better this time since we had been together once. Communication was great all week. A hour before she texted me saying how excited she was. I was going to her apartment BTW. About 10 minutes I let her know I was almost there. Parked texted I was there. Started walking to here place and was approached by a guy asking what I was doing here. I said I was visiting a friend. He said no I wasn't and should leave. So I did. I sent her a few more text but never heard anything back.

Be warned

[DrtyHarry]

This one on SA cracks me up mainly because her name is Great Smile and in my opinion, her fake smile is not her strong point. Just curious, has anyone seen her?

https://members.seeking.com/member/e...7-466a314fb30f

LOL. Thanks for making my day. Gosh how unbelievable her "smile" or rather cringe is.

[CasMong75]

I realized I hadn't finished setting up my profile to get connected with folks. I was curious what works best from your experience? What should one say vs. Not say?

[BusSit69]

Thanks, she had a pro vibe.

She reminds me of this porn star named Kaden kole (cole)!