NoVA SugarBabies

[GMarts018]

Now that the collective group therapy session has subsided, back to the true purpose of the forum.

Immediately concerned with how she's going to get paid. Wants to get paid for dinner dates. "I don't do anything physical. ".

🤮.

https://members.seeking.com/member/1...1-97f01887a46e

Haha! Take the crown! Hilarious LOL.

[Mandane]

Now that the collective group therapy session has subsided, back to the true purpose of the forum.

Immediately concerned with how she's going to get paid. Wants to get paid for dinner dates. "I don't do anything physical. ".

🤮.

https://members.seeking.com/member/1...1-97f01887a46e

[Ichrequiend]

Any info on this one?

https://members.seeking.com/member/d...4-0f0adfd2ad6f

[Member #6802]

The quest, anticipation, and post-nut clarity are 10 x this way. That is why.

Man, you nailed it. Most of us monger for those very reasons. I think we'd all agree it'd be nice to have a regular friend with benefits, but the "quest" and someone different wouldn't be satisfied.

I'd definitely like to have a discreet FWB. But until I meet one, providers and MPs are best solutions. It's like my dad said when I left for Army in '75, "son, when you're out and it's getting late, remember it better to get laid tonight and be choosey tomorrow."

[Mandane]

Bottomline for me is if I have to pay her for sex, she's a prostitute. That being a given, I understand the need to let SBs have their illusions about themselves.

Old joke / story often attributed to Winston Churchill.

Churchill: Madam, would you sleep with me for five million pounds?

Socialite: My goodness, Mr. Churchill. Well, I suppose. We would have to discuss terms, of course.

Churchill: Would you sleep with me for five pounds?

Socialite: Mr. Churchill, what kind of woman do you think I am?!

Churchill: Madam, we've already established that. Now we are haggling about the price.

[ChrisCarr]

The whole Opsec thread makes me cringe, such extreme measures men go to in order to get their dicks wet behind their wives' backs, sneaking around like I did as a teenager. What kind of life is that to live.

The quest, anticipation, and post-nut clarity are 10 x this way. That is why.

[Arty33]

Men have always paid for sex. One way or other. SB, escorts, GF, Wife, doesn't matter you pay one way or other. When you buy her gifts for birthday, anniversary, take her on trips, buy her purse, clothes, shoes, whatever. You are paying or sex. If men didn't worry about not getting sex they probably would do less of these. One can argue the merits of this, some may do some of it. But lets not kid ourselves, without the fear of not getting sex from your GF, Wife, mistress, SB, whatever you want to call, men would do less of these things. In that aspect then everyone's a pro. But I don't view it that way, it's just a fact that guys have to end up paying one way or other. The difference between SB and prostitute is volume and selection. A pro will fuck anyone who clears her screen for safety and behavior, she'll fuck with a condom, and will make it appear she loved it. A SB will not fuck anyone, there has to be some attraction, will fuck BB, and she will genuinely enjoy sex. Those are big differences for me. Then the gift part whether it is a cash allowance, for those other things are same between SB, GF, Wife, just a sliding scale that's all.

Bottomline for me is if I have to pay her for sex, she's a prostitute. That being a given, I understand the need to let SBs have their illusions about themselves.

[Old Chinese Guy]

Lots of dudes and girls on Reddit would say that even sugar relationships aren't explicitly about sex for money. Like I posted, they have this view where if it's gotten to monthly allowance instead of PPM, some months you'll be too busy to see each other, or maybe you only have time to get together for a quick coffee or lunch, or talk on the phone. Allowance is still paid on the 1st. Other months you'll be fucking like rabbits, every weekend, every day, staying in bed for 8 hours and fucking and sleeping. Allowance doesn't go up because there's more sex.

You could say even in that situation, sex is eventually expected or the arrangement stops. Well, for many men, sex is expected in marriage or the marriage stops, or they cheat on their wives if the wives don't give it up / aren't hot anymore / are boring in bed. In that way, even in marriage, physical needs have to be met or the man isn't interested in his wife anymore.

Bottomline for me is if I have to pay her for sex, she's a prostitute. That being a given, I understand the need to let SBs have their illusions about themselves.

[SuckeredByaSB]

What if you're in your 30's and have disposable income, but are also fat and an Asian who doesn't like Asian women LOL. Just a joke, don't need to seriously answer that.

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All of these stories would illicit negative responses here. I can just imagine the 3rd dude posting this here, and having somebody yell "Nerd!" at him like it's the Simpsons. But, these people exist, and these lifestyles exist, and who's to say which side is right?

Er, I mean, rofl what a buncha fuking simps lmao right, fuck these dumb hoes and their GPS! Am I doing this right?

Pretty bad opinions on everything. The average HHI in the USA is $67 K. DC is a very wealthy city and the average HHI is in the $90 ks. Guys paying $300 -$600 or so for NSA a few times a month are certainly not lower demographic. They may or may not be top 1%ers, but they aren't living paycheck to paycheck like most Americans. They are wealthy.

Most of the SBs on Seeking ARE prostitutes. They meet randoms for PPMs with little screening. They are much more selective than true escorts, normally younger, and most have day jobs or are students, but monthly allowances and emotional connections are the exception, not the norm.

Of course it's possible to develop a friendship or a true connection, I've done that as well, but normally both sides are so paranoid you rarely even share real names or real phone #s. Your examples are just the hedonistic and emotionally damaged super wealthy operating under a different set of rules.

Life is grey, not black and white. So SB arrangements go all over the spectrum. Duh. But the norm is prostitution by a better name. It's a very efficient and free market governed by supply and demand.

[JkNova9]

Anyone have any locks they've met w or know of in Fla? I'm down for a couple weeks on business at a couple stops, and making some additional trips to beach destinations on the weekends while down here. I'd be happy to send some info back for DC area girls for anyone who can hook a brother up w Fla referral (s).

[Mcsylv]

While what you say about many SBs thinking they are not prostitutes, it does not change the fact that if one sex for money, that makes one a prostitute since that is the definition of a prostitute. That is not to say what starts out as a SB-SD relationship or a escort-John relationship cannot change to a true friendship over time. I have a former SB who I do see socially once in a while, no sex, and I still do help her out periodically with expenses in a pinch. I have an escort I keep in touch with who just got married who calls me for relationship advice with her new husband, no sex, no money, just get together for drinks and talk.

One might ask, what is the difference between having a wife or gf and a SB or prostitute, you end up paying for expenses in both cases. The difference is there is no explicit exchange of sex for money in the first instance. A wife of gf might hang out / stay with you because you have money and you spend money on them, but they do not have sex with you for your money. A true marriage or gf relationship is equal, 100% 50:50 where each does things for each other without the expectation of a return.

The key to getting out of the wash cycle is to find a woman who is exactly your type physically, looks hot (turns heads in public), is a wh*re in private but a lady in public, makes her own money and does not need your money but chooses to hang out with you anyway.

Lots of dudes and girls on Reddit would say that even sugar relationships aren't explicitly about sex for money. Like I posted, they have this view where if it's gotten to monthly allowance instead of PPM, some months you'll be too busy to see each other, or maybe you only have time to get together for a quick coffee or lunch, or talk on the phone. Allowance is still paid on the 1st. Other months you'll be fucking like rabbits, every weekend, every day, staying in bed for 8 hours and fucking and sleeping. Allowance doesn't go up because there's more sex.

You could say even in that situation, sex is eventually expected or the arrangement stops. Well, for many men, sex is expected in marriage or the marriage stops, or they cheat on their wives if the wives don't give it up / aren't hot anymore / are boring in bed. In that way, even in marriage, physical needs have to be met or the man isn't interested in his wife anymore.

That first one is absurd. If anyone you were dating in normal life ghosted you and couldn't see you for a month (assuming that they are in the same city / region), you should assume that the relationship is over and that she or he has gotten a better offer. To let that go 2 months is stupid. 3 is just setting money on fire.

Of course the women would say shit happens. Because they too would want a "severance package of 3 months" as they transitioned to a new SD, or out of the life entirely to a committed relationship with a boyfriend. And the men are likely simping for the women.f.

I don't mean she ghosts him for a month, just that they're talking and setting things up, but are too busy to meet.

I wouldn't go through with the first one because yes, it's highly likely that he's being taken advantage of. And, given the reverse, a woman fucks a man for a month under expectation of allowance, then allowance doesn't come because he's had a tough month in sales, they would've advocate giving the man another shot because "life happens. " But, that's the view women have, the counterpart to the men's view here that if the going rate is 400, and you get her to agree to 200, sucks for her she should do more research and good for you bro, you lucked out and are fucking on a discount! Both sides have a "take as much as you can get" mentality in this.

The answer is stability + variety. One's wife gives them stability. Wives can be really are great, they help manage the household with you and help raise your children with you. You can be a good team but you can have a great teammate, who you slowly lose interest in fucking. Everything else other than that could be fine though, so you find ways to fuck outside of the marriage.

I mean, if a woman won't fuck / is ugly, but isn't realistic / mature enough that you can go to her and talk about these issues and try an open marriage, then is she really that good of a partner? I could get it if a man is married and is fucking on the side and his wife lets him because she doesn't want to, that's fine. God knows if I had a wife and she wanted to drag me shopping, I'd be totally okay if instead of me, she went with another male friend. I'd even be okay if they fucked after shopping, as long as she was down with me fucking other girls too.

I've lived the life where I had to sneak around doing shit as a kid. Strict Asian parents, having to hide playing video games or reading comics, do the whole thing playing video games with no sound and Alt+Tabbing every time they walked by, not having locks on my door because that's how it is in Asian households, etc. I'd do anything to not have to go back to something like that. The whole Opsec thread makes me cringe, such extreme measures men go to in order to get their dicks wet behind their wives' backs, sneaking around like I did as a teenager. What kind of life is that to live.

[Squatty2]

I'll never understand why dudes would rather be trapped in a situation where they have to look over their shoulders doing stuff instead of just getting divorced and being free.

Is it for the kids? Are the kids going to be so much sadder having divorced parents? Half of America is divorced anyway.

Is it for the money? You have to hide the funds for fucking girls anyway, so you can't use 100% of your disposable income, and you definitely can't touch her "half" if she brings in the bacon too. Why not just split and be free to use your money however you want?

You're in your 30's, so I assume your wife is too, if not younger. I can't imagine, if you're already tired of fucking her or she won't fuck you as much as you'd like, how is it going to be 10 more years from now. Many dudes on here are fucking SB's your wife's age. Why not split now, because waiting isn't going to make it any better.

The answer is stability + variety. One's wife gives them stability. Wives can be really are great, they help manage the household with you and help raise your children with you. You can be a good team but you can have a great teammate, who you slowly lose interest in fucking. Everything else other than that could be fine though, so you find ways to fuck outside of the marriage.

[Squatty2]

Dude said he was paying a monthly allowance, and one month his SB was busy and wasn't able to meet him at all. He was asking the forum what should be done, should he cut her off, demand a month for free, etc.? Majority of the advice from men and women was that shit happens. She could have had something come up, legit be busy, whatever, he should let it slide. If she does it again the next month, then they need to have a talk about it, and if it's 3 months in a row then he should cut it off immediately. Conversely, they did say that in a "real arrangement," some months it would be no meetups or sex, other months it would be sex 3 times a week, just depends on everyone's schedules. The girl should legitimately like the guy, not just his wallet. The allowance doesn't change.

Dude said he had a long-term SB for years. One day she got sick, and found out it was cancer. She went through treatment, went bald, and couldn't have sex anymore. He stuck with her through it all, giving her full allowance even though the most they did together was cook meals, maybe watch some TV and talk. After a while, she was so sick she couldn't stay home anymore, and had to move into the ICU. He visited a few times, but couldn't keep it together to see her like this, and so stopped. A few days later, she died, and he was devastated. He actually went to her funeral, and she had told her best friend about him and how he meant the world to her, even though they met on a sugar website. Her best friend hugged him, and told him how much he meant to her at the end, and was glad to meet him. He posted all this on Reddit to tell everyone that despite the troubles with SA and the bad people out there, there's still hope for a better, more meaningful relationship.

That first one is absurd. If anyone you were dating in normal life ghosted you and couldn't see you for a month (assuming that they are in the same city / region), you should assume that the relationship is over and that she or he has gotten a better offer. To let that go 2 months is stupid. 3 is just setting money on fire.

Of course the women would say shit happens. Because they too would want a "severance package of 3 months" as they transitioned to a new SD, or out of the life entirely to a committed relationship with a boyfriend. And the men are likely simping for the women.

In the second case, they were friends at that point. She was just a friend who he helped out. On his payroll. Nothing wrong with that situation at all.

The first one sounds like he's being used, and taken advantage of.

[Old Chinese Guy]

What if you're in your 30's and have disposable income, but are also fat and an Asian who doesn't like Asian women LOL. Just a joke, don't need to seriously answer that.

If you asked women on SA "Are you a sex worker?" I'm positive more than 50% would respond "No. " Maybe even more than 75%. They don't see it as sex for money. That's why all the fucking bullshit with girls wanting platonic arrangements, monthly allowance instead of PPM when the sex isn't guaranteed, and telling dudes that sex needs to "come with an emotional connection" or "want it to come naturally" come from. They literally think an arrangement is spending time together, enjoying their company, taking them shopping, spoiling them, shit you see in movies. The sex is a minor part of the whole thing, whereas for men sex is the majority, if not everything.

Just look at the Escorts section and see how many dudes post ads from pudgy 5's and talk proudly about railing them because they do QV visits for $100. For some dudes, they'll fuck as long as the hole is pink. Or brown. Now turn this around and imagine a 50-yo woman paying $100 to fuck our old 5/10 asses, and it's unthinkable. Inconceivable. That's the difference between women and men. There's no use griping about how stupid women are, not recognizing their ***** status, because they live in different worlds from men. A world where many things are free, consequences for mistakes are less severe, and achievements are easier to reach.

While what you say about many SBs thinking they are not prostitutes, it does not change the fact that if one sex for money, that makes one a prostitute since that is the definition of a prostitute. That is not to say what starts out as a SB-SD relationship or a escort-John relationship cannot change to a true friendship over time. I have a former SB who I do see socially once in a while, no sex, and I still do help her out periodically with expenses in a pinch. I have an escort I keep in touch with who just got married who calls me for relationship advice with her new husband, no sex, no money, just get together for drinks and talk.

One might ask, what is the difference between having a wife or gf and a SB or prostitute, you end up paying for expenses in both cases. The difference is there is no explicit exchange of sex for money in the first instance. A wife of gf might hang out / stay with you because you have money and you spend money on them, but they do not have sex with you for your money. A true marriage or gf relationship is equal, 100% 50:50 where each does things for each other without the expectation of a return.

The key to getting out of the wash cycle is to find a woman who is exactly your type physically, looks hot (turns heads in public), is a wh*re in private but a lady in public, makes her own money and does not need your money but chooses to hang out with you anyway.

[Mcsylv]

I'm married brother. Needless to say I want discretion and don't have to time to invest on chicks who are hoping for a relationship.

I'll never understand why dudes would rather be trapped in a situation where they have to look over their shoulders doing stuff instead of just getting divorced and being free.

Is it for the kids? Are the kids going to be so much sadder having divorced parents? Half of America is divorced anyway.

Is it for the money? You have to hide the funds for fucking girls anyway, so you can't use 100% of your disposable income, and you definitely can't touch her "half" if she brings in the bacon too. Why not just split and be free to use your money however you want?

You're in your 30's, so I assume your wife is too, if not younger. I can't imagine, if you're already tired of fucking her or she won't fuck you as much as you'd like, how is it going to be 10 more years from now. Many dudes on here are fucking SB's your wife's age. Why not split now, because waiting isn't going to make it any better.