NoVA SugarBabies

[Old Chinese Guy]

Lots of dudes and girls on Reddit would say that even sugar relationships aren't explicitly about sex for money. Like I posted, they have this view where if it's gotten to monthly allowance instead of PPM, some months you'll be too busy to see each other, or maybe you only have time to get together for a quick coffee or lunch, or talk on the phone. Allowance is still paid on the 1st. Other months you'll be fucking like rabbits, every weekend, every day, staying in bed for 8 hours and fucking and sleeping. Allowance doesn't go up because there's more sex.

You could say even in that situation, sex is eventually expected or the arrangement stops. Well, for many men, sex is expected in marriage or the marriage stops, or they cheat on their wives if the wives don't give it up / aren't hot anymore / are boring in bed. In that way, even in marriage, physical needs have to be met or the man isn't interested in his wife anymore.

Bottomline for me is if I have to pay her for sex, she's a prostitute. That being a given, I understand the need to let SBs have their illusions about themselves.

[SuckeredByaSB]

What if you're in your 30's and have disposable income, but are also fat and an Asian who doesn't like Asian women LOL. Just a joke, don't need to seriously answer that.

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All of these stories would illicit negative responses here. I can just imagine the 3rd dude posting this here, and having somebody yell "Nerd!" at him like it's the Simpsons. But, these people exist, and these lifestyles exist, and who's to say which side is right?

Er, I mean, rofl what a buncha fuking simps lmao right, fuck these dumb hoes and their GPS! Am I doing this right?

Pretty bad opinions on everything. The average HHI in the USA is $67 K. DC is a very wealthy city and the average HHI is in the $90 ks. Guys paying $300 -$600 or so for NSA a few times a month are certainly not lower demographic. They may or may not be top 1%ers, but they aren't living paycheck to paycheck like most Americans. They are wealthy.

Most of the SBs on Seeking ARE prostitutes. They meet randoms for PPMs with little screening. They are much more selective than true escorts, normally younger, and most have day jobs or are students, but monthly allowances and emotional connections are the exception, not the norm.

Of course it's possible to develop a friendship or a true connection, I've done that as well, but normally both sides are so paranoid you rarely even share real names or real phone #s. Your examples are just the hedonistic and emotionally damaged super wealthy operating under a different set of rules.

Life is grey, not black and white. So SB arrangements go all over the spectrum. Duh. But the norm is prostitution by a better name. It's a very efficient and free market governed by supply and demand.

[JkNova9]

Anyone have any locks they've met w or know of in Fla? I'm down for a couple weeks on business at a couple stops, and making some additional trips to beach destinations on the weekends while down here. I'd be happy to send some info back for DC area girls for anyone who can hook a brother up w Fla referral (s).

[Mcsylv]

While what you say about many SBs thinking they are not prostitutes, it does not change the fact that if one sex for money, that makes one a prostitute since that is the definition of a prostitute. That is not to say what starts out as a SB-SD relationship or a escort-John relationship cannot change to a true friendship over time. I have a former SB who I do see socially once in a while, no sex, and I still do help her out periodically with expenses in a pinch. I have an escort I keep in touch with who just got married who calls me for relationship advice with her new husband, no sex, no money, just get together for drinks and talk.

One might ask, what is the difference between having a wife or gf and a SB or prostitute, you end up paying for expenses in both cases. The difference is there is no explicit exchange of sex for money in the first instance. A wife of gf might hang out / stay with you because you have money and you spend money on them, but they do not have sex with you for your money. A true marriage or gf relationship is equal, 100% 50:50 where each does things for each other without the expectation of a return.

The key to getting out of the wash cycle is to find a woman who is exactly your type physically, looks hot (turns heads in public), is a wh*re in private but a lady in public, makes her own money and does not need your money but chooses to hang out with you anyway.

Lots of dudes and girls on Reddit would say that even sugar relationships aren't explicitly about sex for money. Like I posted, they have this view where if it's gotten to monthly allowance instead of PPM, some months you'll be too busy to see each other, or maybe you only have time to get together for a quick coffee or lunch, or talk on the phone. Allowance is still paid on the 1st. Other months you'll be fucking like rabbits, every weekend, every day, staying in bed for 8 hours and fucking and sleeping. Allowance doesn't go up because there's more sex.

You could say even in that situation, sex is eventually expected or the arrangement stops. Well, for many men, sex is expected in marriage or the marriage stops, or they cheat on their wives if the wives don't give it up / aren't hot anymore / are boring in bed. In that way, even in marriage, physical needs have to be met or the man isn't interested in his wife anymore.

That first one is absurd. If anyone you were dating in normal life ghosted you and couldn't see you for a month (assuming that they are in the same city / region), you should assume that the relationship is over and that she or he has gotten a better offer. To let that go 2 months is stupid. 3 is just setting money on fire.

Of course the women would say shit happens. Because they too would want a "severance package of 3 months" as they transitioned to a new SD, or out of the life entirely to a committed relationship with a boyfriend. And the men are likely simping for the women.f.

I don't mean she ghosts him for a month, just that they're talking and setting things up, but are too busy to meet.

I wouldn't go through with the first one because yes, it's highly likely that he's being taken advantage of. And, given the reverse, a woman fucks a man for a month under expectation of allowance, then allowance doesn't come because he's had a tough month in sales, they would've advocate giving the man another shot because "life happens. " But, that's the view women have, the counterpart to the men's view here that if the going rate is 400, and you get her to agree to 200, sucks for her she should do more research and good for you bro, you lucked out and are fucking on a discount! Both sides have a "take as much as you can get" mentality in this.

The answer is stability + variety. One's wife gives them stability. Wives can be really are great, they help manage the household with you and help raise your children with you. You can be a good team but you can have a great teammate, who you slowly lose interest in fucking. Everything else other than that could be fine though, so you find ways to fuck outside of the marriage.

I mean, if a woman won't fuck / is ugly, but isn't realistic / mature enough that you can go to her and talk about these issues and try an open marriage, then is she really that good of a partner? I could get it if a man is married and is fucking on the side and his wife lets him because she doesn't want to, that's fine. God knows if I had a wife and she wanted to drag me shopping, I'd be totally okay if instead of me, she went with another male friend. I'd even be okay if they fucked after shopping, as long as she was down with me fucking other girls too.

I've lived the life where I had to sneak around doing shit as a kid. Strict Asian parents, having to hide playing video games or reading comics, do the whole thing playing video games with no sound and Alt+Tabbing every time they walked by, not having locks on my door because that's how it is in Asian households, etc. I'd do anything to not have to go back to something like that. The whole Opsec thread makes me cringe, such extreme measures men go to in order to get their dicks wet behind their wives' backs, sneaking around like I did as a teenager. What kind of life is that to live.

[Squatty2]

I'll never understand why dudes would rather be trapped in a situation where they have to look over their shoulders doing stuff instead of just getting divorced and being free.

Is it for the kids? Are the kids going to be so much sadder having divorced parents? Half of America is divorced anyway.

Is it for the money? You have to hide the funds for fucking girls anyway, so you can't use 100% of your disposable income, and you definitely can't touch her "half" if she brings in the bacon too. Why not just split and be free to use your money however you want?

You're in your 30's, so I assume your wife is too, if not younger. I can't imagine, if you're already tired of fucking her or she won't fuck you as much as you'd like, how is it going to be 10 more years from now. Many dudes on here are fucking SB's your wife's age. Why not split now, because waiting isn't going to make it any better.

The answer is stability + variety. One's wife gives them stability. Wives can be really are great, they help manage the household with you and help raise your children with you. You can be a good team but you can have a great teammate, who you slowly lose interest in fucking. Everything else other than that could be fine though, so you find ways to fuck outside of the marriage.

[Squatty2]

Dude said he was paying a monthly allowance, and one month his SB was busy and wasn't able to meet him at all. He was asking the forum what should be done, should he cut her off, demand a month for free, etc.? Majority of the advice from men and women was that shit happens. She could have had something come up, legit be busy, whatever, he should let it slide. If she does it again the next month, then they need to have a talk about it, and if it's 3 months in a row then he should cut it off immediately. Conversely, they did say that in a "real arrangement," some months it would be no meetups or sex, other months it would be sex 3 times a week, just depends on everyone's schedules. The girl should legitimately like the guy, not just his wallet. The allowance doesn't change.

Dude said he had a long-term SB for years. One day she got sick, and found out it was cancer. She went through treatment, went bald, and couldn't have sex anymore. He stuck with her through it all, giving her full allowance even though the most they did together was cook meals, maybe watch some TV and talk. After a while, she was so sick she couldn't stay home anymore, and had to move into the ICU. He visited a few times, but couldn't keep it together to see her like this, and so stopped. A few days later, she died, and he was devastated. He actually went to her funeral, and she had told her best friend about him and how he meant the world to her, even though they met on a sugar website. Her best friend hugged him, and told him how much he meant to her at the end, and was glad to meet him. He posted all this on Reddit to tell everyone that despite the troubles with SA and the bad people out there, there's still hope for a better, more meaningful relationship.

That first one is absurd. If anyone you were dating in normal life ghosted you and couldn't see you for a month (assuming that they are in the same city / region), you should assume that the relationship is over and that she or he has gotten a better offer. To let that go 2 months is stupid. 3 is just setting money on fire.

Of course the women would say shit happens. Because they too would want a "severance package of 3 months" as they transitioned to a new SD, or out of the life entirely to a committed relationship with a boyfriend. And the men are likely simping for the women.

In the second case, they were friends at that point. She was just a friend who he helped out. On his payroll. Nothing wrong with that situation at all.

The first one sounds like he's being used, and taken advantage of.

[Old Chinese Guy]

What if you're in your 30's and have disposable income, but are also fat and an Asian who doesn't like Asian women LOL. Just a joke, don't need to seriously answer that.

If you asked women on SA "Are you a sex worker?" I'm positive more than 50% would respond "No. " Maybe even more than 75%. They don't see it as sex for money. That's why all the fucking bullshit with girls wanting platonic arrangements, monthly allowance instead of PPM when the sex isn't guaranteed, and telling dudes that sex needs to "come with an emotional connection" or "want it to come naturally" come from. They literally think an arrangement is spending time together, enjoying their company, taking them shopping, spoiling them, shit you see in movies. The sex is a minor part of the whole thing, whereas for men sex is the majority, if not everything.

Just look at the Escorts section and see how many dudes post ads from pudgy 5's and talk proudly about railing them because they do QV visits for $100. For some dudes, they'll fuck as long as the hole is pink. Or brown. Now turn this around and imagine a 50-yo woman paying $100 to fuck our old 5/10 asses, and it's unthinkable. Inconceivable. That's the difference between women and men. There's no use griping about how stupid women are, not recognizing their ***** status, because they live in different worlds from men. A world where many things are free, consequences for mistakes are less severe, and achievements are easier to reach.

While what you say about many SBs thinking they are not prostitutes, it does not change the fact that if one sex for money, that makes one a prostitute since that is the definition of a prostitute. That is not to say what starts out as a SB-SD relationship or a escort-John relationship cannot change to a true friendship over time. I have a former SB who I do see socially once in a while, no sex, and I still do help her out periodically with expenses in a pinch. I have an escort I keep in touch with who just got married who calls me for relationship advice with her new husband, no sex, no money, just get together for drinks and talk.

One might ask, what is the difference between having a wife or gf and a SB or prostitute, you end up paying for expenses in both cases. The difference is there is no explicit exchange of sex for money in the first instance. A wife of gf might hang out / stay with you because you have money and you spend money on them, but they do not have sex with you for your money. A true marriage or gf relationship is equal, 100% 50:50 where each does things for each other without the expectation of a return.

The key to getting out of the wash cycle is to find a woman who is exactly your type physically, looks hot (turns heads in public), is a wh*re in private but a lady in public, makes her own money and does not need your money but chooses to hang out with you anyway.

[Mcsylv]

I'm married brother. Needless to say I want discretion and don't have to time to invest on chicks who are hoping for a relationship.

I'll never understand why dudes would rather be trapped in a situation where they have to look over their shoulders doing stuff instead of just getting divorced and being free.

Is it for the kids? Are the kids going to be so much sadder having divorced parents? Half of America is divorced anyway.

Is it for the money? You have to hide the funds for fucking girls anyway, so you can't use 100% of your disposable income, and you definitely can't touch her "half" if she brings in the bacon too. Why not just split and be free to use your money however you want?

You're in your 30's, so I assume your wife is too, if not younger. I can't imagine, if you're already tired of fucking her or she won't fuck you as much as you'd like, how is it going to be 10 more years from now. Many dudes on here are fucking SB's your wife's age. Why not split now, because waiting isn't going to make it any better.

[Mcsylv]

So why are you on SA? Chicks who would date you in civvy life are on there because most in their target demographic are sad ass soy boys lacking the means or experience to treat them like us older guys can.

If you are young, decent looking and have disposable income, you should be killing it in civvy banging on Tinder and the like. Being on Seeking is a red flag for younger women. What's wrong with you, they wonder. Heard this from some 25-35 SBs.

What if you're in your 30's and have disposable income, but are also fat and an Asian who doesn't like Asian women LOL. Just a joke, don't need to seriously answer that.

Prostitutes complaining about being treated like prostitutes. That's gold, Jerry, gold.

If you asked women on SA "Are you a sex worker?" I'm positive more than 50% would respond "No. " Maybe even more than 75%. They don't see it as sex for money. That's why all the fucking bullshit with girls wanting platonic arrangements, monthly allowance instead of PPM when the sex isn't guaranteed, and telling dudes that sex needs to "come with an emotional connection" or "want it to come naturally" come from. They literally think an arrangement is spending time together, enjoying their company, taking them shopping, spoiling them, shit you see in movies. The sex is a minor part of the whole thing, whereas for men sex is the majority, if not everything.

Just look at the Escorts section and see how many dudes post ads from pudgy 5's and talk proudly about railing them because they do QV visits for $100. For some dudes, they'll fuck as long as the hole is pink. Or brown. Now turn this around and imagine a 50-yo woman paying $100 to fuck our old 5/10 asses, and it's unthinkable. Inconceivable. That's the difference between women and men. There's no use griping about how stupid women are, not recognizing their ***** status, because they live in different worlds from men. A world where many things are free, consequences for mistakes are less severe, and achievements are easier to reach.

An SB of mine was going to Vegas for the first time in like 5 years, and she told me she wanted to get to a VIP table at Omnia to see her favorite DJ on a Friday night. I asked her how she was going to do this given she was broke and could barely afford her ticket there. Her answer "I dunno, I'll just walk around the casino during the day and meet people, I always find someone who can take me. " Tables that night cost minimum $2000. That's how life is for women.

I can understand the chicks thinking that but I can't stop laughing when guys think of "SB's" as non pros. You are literally handing them money to fuck and you think they aren't a prostitute.

Dumbfounded.

This forum caters to dudes that, as previously mentioned, are on the lower end of the income spectrum. In the 8 years I've been browsing this site, men have posted about fucking $1000+/ hr escorts maybe a handful of times. Mostly, it's $100/ QV hoes or actual streetwalkers that get talked about here. As a result, there's a certain view towards women that is pervasive at USASG, that they're nothing more than holes to stick dicks in, etc.

However when looking elsewhere, such as are / sugarlifestyleforum, it's a different demographic. There, you have some men who've never hired an escort before. There's also females pulling the viewpoint towards them, unlike here which is a male echochamber. Over there, men do view it more as the girls do. SB's aren't ****** and SD's aren't johns. It's not a transactional relationship, there's emotion and trust and platonic time involved, just as much as sex. Yes, there's some dudes there with the USASG mentality as well, and those dudes are treated as rabid outcasts for the most part, not banned outright but definitely ridiculed whenever they voice their thoughts, by both women and other men. With such different communities all interacting around the sugarbowl, of course stuff is going to seem stupid to people here. Dudes here rage whenever someone says they paid $200 for FS at an AMP instead of $100, screaming that stupid simps like them are going to ruin the market and give girls GPS. Meanwhile on SLF, I've seen the following:

Dude said he had an opportunity to make a popular IG model his SB, and was asking everyone whether he should, pros and cons, etc. He did end up becoming her SD, and I messaged him for more details. He posted a photo and it was Sophie Mudd, you can Google her, she's got 2. 7 M IG followers. He was giving her $5 k PPM, and if she agreed to do monthly allowance then it would be $20 k + extras like shopping or trips. This was back in late 2021/ early 2022, he deleted his account after posting so I don't have any updates. Said he was in his mid-40's, fit, and made his money in tech.

Dude said he was paying a monthly allowance, and one month his SB was busy and wasn't able to meet him at all. He was asking the forum what should be done, should he cut her off, demand a month for free, etc.? Majority of the advice from men and women was that shit happens. She could have had something come up, legit be busy, whatever, he should let it slide. If she does it again the next month, then they need to have a talk about it, and if it's 3 months in a row then he should cut it off immediately. Conversely, they did say that in a "real arrangement," some months it would be no meetups or sex, other months it would be sex 3 times a week, just depends on everyone's schedules. The girl should legitimately like the guy, not just his wallet. The allowance doesn't change.

Dude said he had a long-term SB for years. One day she got sick, and found out it was cancer. She went through treatment, went bald, and couldn't have sex anymore. He stuck with her through it all, giving her full allowance even though the most they did together was cook meals, maybe watch some TV and talk. After a while, she was so sick she couldn't stay home anymore, and had to move into the ICU. He visited a few times, but couldn't keep it together to see her like this, and so stopped. A few days later, she died, and he was devastated. He actually went to her funeral, and she had told her best friend about him and how he meant the world to her, even though they met on a sugar website. Her best friend hugged him, and told him how much he meant to her at the end, and was glad to meet him. He posted all this on Reddit to tell everyone that despite the troubles with SA and the bad people out there, there's still hope for a better, more meaningful relationship.

All of these stories would illicit negative responses here. I can just imagine the 3rd dude posting this here, and having somebody yell "Nerd!" at him like it's the Simpsons. But, these people exist, and these lifestyles exist, and who's to say which side is right?

Er, I mean, rofl what a buncha fuking simps lmao right, fuck these dumb hoes and their GPS! Am I doing this right?

[CuriousVaMan]

Clinton's looking pretty good there.

https://members.seeking.com/member/f...b-47413f010ff1

Seriously. Sa has gone downhill. Why in the fuck is this thing messaging me! Like seriously. You're old and busted. Expecting someone to pay and texting someone that is way beyond your league.

Shit, she's better off being a sugar momma. I wouldn't touch it even if she offers me 10 k ppm.

[TomFordModel]

https://members.seeking.com/member/e...3-7b8ec59fff42

Idk, what you guys are talking about but she can be had for 400 and under. I declined not my type but easy to chat and nice.

[OliverNP]

So why are you on SA? Chicks who would date you in civvy life are on there because most in their target demographic are sad ass soy boys lacking the means or experience to treat them like us older guys can.

If you are young, decent looking and have disposable income, you should be killing it in civvy banging on Tinder and the like. Being on Seeking is a red flag for younger women. What's wrong with you, they wonder. Heard this from some 25-35 SBs.

Not only this, but far and away the girls on SA have already decided they're interested in much older guys not only for the financial aspect but because they've become accustomed to the maturity and experience. If you read the SB only forum on Reddit, you'll notice time and time again, the first time they've dated someone 2-3 x their age they say they will never go back to guys their age. I've known girls that were 18-19 and they already made up their mind they won't date anyone under 45 ever again, because the experiences they've had with immature behavior.

Now if you're 30-35 and really have crap tons of disposable income, use that to your advantage by demonstrating it in modest ways on regular dating sites. Mentioning that you like to spoil, showing pictures of yourself in exotic locations, wearing expensive clothes driving very expensive cars. Trust me they will notice and it will work to your advantage.

But in general yeah I think on SA you're hurting your cause from both ends, because on SA a young guy is viewed as a scammer, or just damaged goods, as was mentioned. Plus some of the girls from Tinder and so forth are also on SA -- if they meet you on Tinder and see you also on SA it's probably going to lessen your chance of ever hitting it.

[Rudy Wellz]

Just signed up, I didn't know that incognito mode was a thing.

Awesome. I will set up a profile today.

[DasHottCalla]

So why are you on SA? Chicks who would date you in civvy life are on there because most in their target demographic are sad ass soy boys lacking the means or experience to treat them like us older guys can.

If you are young, decent looking and have disposable income, you should be killing it in civvy banging on Tinder and the like. Being on Seeking is a red flag for younger women. What's wrong with you, they wonder. Heard this from some 25-35 SBs.

I'm married brother. Needless to say I want discretion and don't have to time to invest on chicks who are hoping for a relationship.

[Admin2]

Prostitutes complaining about being treated like prostitutes. That's gold, Jerry, gold.

I can understand the chicks thinking that but I can't stop laughing when guys think of "SB's" as non pros. You are literally handing them money to fuck and you think they aren't a prostitute.

Dumbfounded.