NoVA SugarBabies

[BobDingle10]

https://members.seeking.com/member/2...7-5eec4287b916

Summary: either a scammer, or just too plain crazy and in a ridiculous situation, arrangement would never work.

Long Story:

Hit her up, responded pretty well on SA. Moved to text after a couple chats back and forth, totally normal. I asked her for a verification photo holding up 3 fingers, and she asks for a video call instead. We do a Snapchat video call, she's real and not a catfish. Said she was in a hotel, no money left and nowhere to go with her and her 2 kids, a dog, and 2 cats. However, she did not ask for money. She specifically said she'll try and figure it out, it should only be temporary until she can get back to work, then we can meet up because she'll be able to hire a babysitter.

I wanted to meet sooner, and I felt bad since she was a real girl in hard times, and she didn't seem like a scammer since nowhere did she ever ask for cash. I tell her I usually don't send money before meeting, and she said she can def relate, she hears there's tons of people scamming online and she understands I have to protect myself.

At this point, I thought I could trust her. I asked her how much it was to extend for another day, and she tells me $138. I make plans with her to meet the next day I ask her what she's comfortable with, and she mentions no anal, nothing with BDSM or pain, and we have to use protection. I tell her condoms are a deal breaker since I can't cum with one on, I have tests from less than a week ago to show her. She says "Okay, since you're trusting me by sending money, I'll trust you when we meet up. ".

We talk about the allowance, settle on 400 PPM. She also asks for money to book a baby sitter, said she has 2 kids and it's $25/ hr / kid, so $50/ hr. I tell her she can pay when she picks the kids up, I'll give her money in person, but she says it's some sort of online service where you have to book in advance. In hindsight, I should've questioned this, but because she seemed so reasonable on the call up to then, I didn't demand to see a receipt or screenshot or anything. I send her $150 for 3 hours. We then make plans to meet up at 7 AM because I had to be somewhere in PA by noon. We'd get breakfast and hook up. I told her I'd text her at 6 AM since she's an hour away from me, I want her to confirm before I head out. I remind her to set her alarm and charge her phone.

6 AM the next morning rolls around, she doesn't respond to my texts. 11 AM, when her checkout time is, and she sudden responds mortified that she slept through 3 alarms, and didn't wake up until the front desk was banging on her door for 5 min cause they needed her to leave. I tell her "what do you want me to say" and she gives me a sort of sorry, sort of mad response that she only slept 3 hours due to her kid waking up, she didn't sleep for 2 days before because she's stressed about her situation, sorry she's a single mom and trying her best, etc.

I hit her up at 4 PM after I finished running my 12 PM errand, and tell her if she can find a way to meet up, I can still take care of her. She says she can't, nobody to watch the kids. I ask her where she's currently at, she says in the parking lot of the hotel, and sends me a pic of her cats in a crate in what looks to be an asphalt parking lot. I ask her what she's going to do, and she tells me she really doesn't know, she's so scared and stressed. Still doesn't ask me for more money. At this point, I believe her story about over sleeping, she had been yawning all throughout the previous video call and mentioned she hasn't slept before I even gave her any money. I tell her I'm going to send her money for 1 more night, but I want her to call me so we can talk about what her options are to make this work, and I send her $200.

At this point, I'm driving home from my errand, but I decide to take a wide detour and swing by the hotel she's at in Annapolis. I was going to check on her and talk to her in person, buy some food for her and her kids, and tell her this is the last time I can help until she can figure something out. During my drive, she's using the $200 to check back in and move her stuff back into her room. About 30 min later, she tells me they refused to honor last night's rate, it's now $260. And she says her phone is at 4%, which implies her phone is going to die so I need to send her money now.

Around this time, I'm right around the corner from where she's supposed to be. I am getting bad feelings, it's starting to be fishy. I drive up to the parking lot 2 minutes after she said her phone is at 4%, and ask her where she's at, in the lobby or still outside in the lot. She says outside still, in the parking garage with her kids, pets, and all her stuff. I ask her to confirm her address, and she does. I tell her I'm in the parking lot, I don't see her. I know she's been scamming me the whole time now.

This is when she explodes. Starts ALL CAPS yelling at me in text about how I'm a creep and a stalker, why would she ever give her real address to some man on the internet. Gaslights about how I'm a weirdo, etc. I tell her thanks for reminding me never to trust people online, and block her.

I really thought I was wise to the scams, but she got past my defenses. First, she video chatted and was super agreeable and reasonable on the call, not like normal cash-first scammers that demand it like you owe them. She also never asked for money once during either of the times she said she was in trouble. She even volunteered that she would figure it out herself, and it would be solved and we'd be able to meet up for a normal arrangement. It was only when I was driving to her that she started putting pressure for more cash and implying it had to be quick since her phone was dying.

Still could be that she's legit, just a crazy ***** who is now homeless. IDK, blocked her on everything.

For someone that says they never send money up front, you sent at least $350 to her without so much as touching a nipple.

And to be honest, the whole swinging by the hotel to buy her and the kids supplies sounds noble at first, but why would she want a stranger that she really doesn't even want to fuck (c'Mon.! They don't or rarely do it for your personality!) possibly around her kids? That is a bit creepy.

She's in no way Legit. She's just an advanced scammer. I have a former SB that pulled the same crap on me. Was out of town. Gave me a sob story about her bad situation. Let me play the fatherly figure and give her advice, and didn't ask for cash but said she'd find a way to soldier through it. I sent her like $50. Then I caught on. She tried several variations afterwards but I didn't cave.

Also I see how you might have been taken in by the video / pic of the cats outside, but this is the Tik Tok generation. It's nothing for people to have props and footage ready to go. They do it for imaginary likes online, they'll do it for money.

I really don't mean to slam you or anything, but this reeked from early on.

It happens to most of us here and there, even if we're normally vigilant. Chalk it up to the game.

The new formula is *spot nice guy / sucker + sob story minus asking for cash + letting your good nature / suckerdom and little head do the work = cash money*.

[Mcsylv]

https://members.seeking.com/member/2...7-5eec4287b916

Summary: either a scammer, or just too plain crazy and in a ridiculous situation, arrangement would never work.

Long Story:

Hit her up, responded pretty well on SA. Moved to text after a couple chats back and forth, totally normal. I asked her for a verification photo holding up 3 fingers, and she asks for a video call instead. We do a Snapchat video call, she's real and not a catfish. Said she was in a hotel, no money left and nowhere to go with her and her 2 kids, a dog, and 2 cats. However, she did not ask for money. She specifically said she'll try and figure it out, it should only be temporary until she can get back to work, then we can meet up because she'll be able to hire a babysitter.

I wanted to meet sooner, and I felt bad since she was a real girl in hard times, and she didn't seem like a scammer since nowhere did she ever ask for cash. I tell her I usually don't send money before meeting, and she said she can def relate, she hears there's tons of people scamming online and she understands I have to protect myself.

At this point, I thought I could trust her. I asked her how much it was to extend for another day, and she tells me $138. I make plans with her to meet the next day I ask her what she's comfortable with, and she mentions no anal, nothing with BDSM or pain, and we have to use protection. I tell her condoms are a deal breaker since I can't cum with one on, I have tests from less than a week ago to show her. She says "Okay, since you're trusting me by sending money, I'll trust you when we meet up. ".

We talk about the allowance, settle on 400 PPM. She also asks for money to book a baby sitter, said she has 2 kids and it's $25/ hr / kid, so $50/ hr. I tell her she can pay when she picks the kids up, I'll give her money in person, but she says it's some sort of online service where you have to book in advance. In hindsight, I should've questioned this, but because she seemed so reasonable on the call up to then, I didn't demand to see a receipt or screenshot or anything. I send her $150 for 3 hours. We then make plans to meet up at 7 AM because I had to be somewhere in PA by noon. We'd get breakfast and hook up. I told her I'd text her at 6 AM since she's an hour away from me, I want her to confirm before I head out. I remind her to set her alarm and charge her phone.

6 AM the next morning rolls around, she doesn't respond to my texts. 11 AM, when her checkout time is, and she sudden responds mortified that she slept through 3 alarms, and didn't wake up until the front desk was banging on her door for 5 min cause they needed her to leave. I tell her "what do you want me to say" and she gives me a sort of sorry, sort of mad response that she only slept 3 hours due to her kid waking up, she didn't sleep for 2 days before because she's stressed about her situation, sorry she's a single mom and trying her best, etc.

I hit her up at 4 PM after I finished running my 12 PM errand, and tell her if she can find a way to meet up, I can still take care of her. She says she can't, nobody to watch the kids. I ask her where she's currently at, she says in the parking lot of the hotel, and sends me a pic of her cats in a crate in what looks to be an asphalt parking lot. I ask her what she's going to do, and she tells me she really doesn't know, she's so scared and stressed. Still doesn't ask me for more money. At this point, I believe her story about over sleeping, she had been yawning all throughout the previous video call and mentioned she hasn't slept before I even gave her any money. I tell her I'm going to send her money for 1 more night, but I want her to call me so we can talk about what her options are to make this work, and I send her $200.

At this point, I'm driving home from my errand, but I decide to take a wide detour and swing by the hotel she's at in Annapolis. I was going to check on her and talk to her in person, buy some food for her and her kids, and tell her this is the last time I can help until she can figure something out. During my drive, she's using the $200 to check back in and move her stuff back into her room. About 30 min later, she tells me they refused to honor last night's rate, it's now $260. And she says her phone is at 4%, which implies her phone is going to die so I need to send her money now.

Around this time, I'm right around the corner from where she's supposed to be. I am getting bad feelings, it's starting to be fishy. I drive up to the parking lot 2 minutes after she said her phone is at 4%, and ask her where she's at, in the lobby or still outside in the lot. She says outside still, in the parking garage with her kids, pets, and all her stuff. I ask her to confirm her address, and she does. I tell her I'm in the parking lot, I don't see her. I know she's been scamming me the whole time now.

This is when she explodes. Starts ALL CAPS yelling at me in text about how I'm a creep and a stalker, why would she ever give her real address to some man on the internet. Gaslights about how I'm a weirdo, etc. I tell her thanks for reminding me never to trust people online, and block her.

I really thought I was wise to the scams, but she got past my defenses. First, she video chatted and was super agreeable and reasonable on the call, not like normal cash-first scammers that demand it like you owe them. She also never asked for money once during either of the times she said she was in trouble. She even volunteered that she would figure it out herself, and it would be solved and we'd be able to meet up for a normal arrangement. It was only when I was driving to her that she started putting pressure for more cash and implying it had to be quick since her phone was dying.

Still could be that she's legit, just a crazy ***** who is now homeless. IDK, blocked her on everything.

[RegularJoe1985]

Not sure why the orginal poster got banned from Google voice. I have never had an issue. Also the only way to truly be anymous is to buy a burner cash and create an email account based off of that burner then connect to those items to anymous chat. Once you download that app to a phone you own then going down the orginal senerio whole everything is trackable. Though not sure what most of you are worried about because to be complete honesty. If someone really wants to use it to trace you they will even cops. But the reality is no one is going to go that deep for some solicitation unless is underage or sex trafficing. If they are there's not much you can really do honestly.

Its own set of Cons right? Now one has to handle 2 devices, if one forgets to take the burner phone then its a hassle.

So, if one wants to keep everything on one device then Apps are the only way to go. I think the bigger worry is about BSC girls rather than LE.

Hence was looking for feedback on apps such as TextMe, TextNow, Hushed, Burner, TextFree, Phoner, 2 ndLine and others. Looking at reviews on App Store and many recent were not as good but that could perhaps be because people tend to give negative feedback more than positive ones.

[Member #6353]

I first joined Seeking in 2019. Back then it was like shooting fish in a barrel. I had a stable of 19-23 year old, fit, mostly white 7-8's that I donated anywhere from 80-150 each meet (unheard of these days, I know). A few I'd drop 80 just for them to swing by and blow me every week or two, others I'd be blowing their backs out on the regular for 100-120. Only one got me for 150 and since I was thinking with my little head I went for it.

I recently decided to test the waters again. I reached out to one that I previously had paid 120 for a couple of hours for a decent enough time: she took back shots like a champ and swallowed a couple of loads. I threw 200 as an offer, she came back with 500 as her going rate these days. Idk who is paying these girls this, but that is outrageous, especially for a 7. I blame the countless tiktok "tutorials" and other nonsense they are reading online pumping their heads up.

[Mcsylv]

So I have seen her a twice tshe's semi pro meaning high volime that same line you got is the same line everyone gets. Also wouldn't trust her version of clean like I said she's a high volume girl. But everything is on the menu Greek might take a little extra spoiling to get but it's on menu.

Yea I didn't believe her for one sec, no regular girl just tells you that you can bareback them. She's not hot either, a 6 at best, so I'm more interested if she has hot friends, and if I can fuck her friends by fucking her.

[David032]

I'd asked some time back about these third-party apps for this and other reasons.

Some options apart from google voice were.

TextMe.

TextNow.

Hushed.

Burner.

TextFree.

Am sure there a bunch of others.

Not sure if apps keep old conversations once number is re-cycled. Anyone have concrete ideas about this?

Not sure why the orginal poster got banned from Google voice. I have never had an issue. Also the only way to truly be anymous is to buy a burner cash and create an email account based off of that burner then connect to those items to anymous chat. Once you download that app to a phone you own then going down the orginal senerio whole everything is trackable. Though not sure what most of you are worried about because to be complete honesty. If someone really wants to use it to trace you they will even cops. But the reality is no one is going to go that deep for some solicitation unless is underage or sex trafficing. If they are there's not much you can really do honestly.

[David032]

Any info on this girl:

https://members.seeking.com/member/f...b-6afa3630da32

Def a 6 at best. I started off with 300, she said nothing less than 5, but she's clean so I don't need a condom. I kept negotiating and said 5 is fine if she's staying at least 2 hours, and she said okay.

Really put off by her lesbian looks and easy BB access, but she also sent me nudes of her being tied up with another girl. I figure if she's got some hot friends, maybe she could introduce me.

So I have seen her a twice tshe's semi pro meaning high volime that same line you got is the same line everyone gets. Also wouldn't trust her version of clean like I said she's a high volume girl. But everything is on the menu Greek might take a little extra spoiling to get but it's on menu.

[RegularJoe1985]

- ditch google, facebook, and apple for this hobby; you are correct in your suspicion and all your activities are conveniently tied to identifiable accounts.

- textnow uses recycled numbers and you cannot delete accounts; so use your imagination if someone else ends up with your number down the line.

- don't use the "burner" app; look up recent news.

- recommending you use "mysudo", or, if you are tech savvy: a VOIP solution like Telnyx (unlimited numbers and control at a cost).

- avoid email.

- lean towards end-to-end encrypted services or time-based communications (chats expire after X amount of time).

- use cash and gift cards while / where you still can.

I'd asked some time back about these third-party apps for this and other reasons.

Some options apart from google voice were.

TextMe.

TextNow.

Hushed.

Burner.

TextFree.

Am sure there a bunch of others.

Not sure if apps keep old conversations once number is re-cycled. Anyone have concrete ideas about this?

[RegularJoe1985]

Any info on this girl:

https://members.seeking.com/member/f...b-6afa3630da32

Def a 6 at best. I started off with 300, she said nothing less than 5, but she's clean so I don't need a condom. I kept negotiating and said 5 is fine if she's staying at least 2 hours, and she said okay.

Really put off by her lesbian looks and easy BB access, but she also sent me nudes of her being tied up with another girl. I figure if she's got some hot friends, maybe she could introduce me.

So how about this profile.

https://members.seeking.com/member/8...1-9557af4d37ac

[Mcsylv]

Any info on this girl:

https://members.seeking.com/member/f...b-6afa3630da32

Def a 6 at best. I started off with 300, she said nothing less than 5, but she's clean so I don't need a condom. I kept negotiating and said 5 is fine if she's staying at least 2 hours, and she said okay.

Really put off by her lesbian looks and easy BB access, but she also sent me nudes of her being tied up with another girl. I figure if she's got some hot friends, maybe she could introduce me.

[Mcsylv]

Lmao! Dude. You don't think that literally every single woman on that website that's banging dudes for money, that is selling their bodies for sex, that there's not something completely fucked up with their judgement?? I hate to break it to you but most normal, stable, moral, well adjusted successful women aren't on that website and wouldn't be caught dead on it. I've yet to meet anyone on there that wasn't completely damaged in one way or another or that I'd be willing to bring home to meet my Mom.

While I agree with you that most girls on the site who stay a long time are off in some way, I do think there's a large percentage that dip their toes in because their friend said it would be a good idea, or they saw it on a Youtube video about easy ways to make money as a young girl. It's too mainstream now, when you have TikTokers and celebs doing OF and talking about sugar daddies, the average college girl will at least try it when they are in tough financial situations. There's also a select few who are normal girls, just happened to meet a good SD in like their first 2 days instead of the creeps and scammers, and got off the site. Had a relationship, ended it after a while, then got back on and started looking again. These ones are expecting the same good results, and haven't gotten corrupted by scammers, SD's who don't pay after fucking, etc. Just think about all the platonic-only girls. Yea some are scammers themselves, but many are just innocent and naive girls who saw a tiktok about how she can get a man to give her thousands for her company on dinner dates, and got on SA.

Also the women being damaged is one thing, but still I've had very few experiences with girls on SA where they're down to just fuck without a dinner or coffee meeting to check things out. The ones who have been down are always scammers who ask for money for Uber or babysitter an hour before the date. Or they're semi-pro / pros posting on SA, and even if they're dtf, it's a lower quality experience where there's no BBFS, sometimes not even GFE. They also clock watch or try to leave as soon as 1 pop is done.

I've also never gotten anyone to accept $300 allowance when that's the number I always start off at, even 7's and 6's LOL. 8-9's usually negotiate and end up in the 500-700 range for a couple hour dinner date and bedroom fun. Still cheaper than an escort since those charge $500+/ hr. Been talking to this really hot blonde escort on Tryst and a 2 hr date is going to run me 2 k, so SA is still way cheaper. https://tryst.link/escort/date-riley.

[Arty33]

Between not the girl you take to mom vs poor judgement to meet some dude straight in hotel room. They still need to exercise caution because what if you're not who you said you are. I've had SBs tell me they stayed back observing to see who the guy they were going to meet and turns out the guy is older, fatter, and uglier than picture, then she bolted. So, are you saying they should just trust your texts and pictures online and come to your room, that's not the kind of girl I would hook up with. But like I said if you do, then that's your thing, I am not judging you. So what's the issue, I personally have an interest to make sure they are exercising caution in meeting guys, so I know something about their selection, not meet any guy for money in hotel.

Lmao! Dude. You don't think that literally every single woman on that website that's banging dudes for money, that is selling their bodies for sex, that there's not something completely fucked up with their judgement?? I hate to break it to you but most normal, stable, moral, well adjusted successful women aren't on that website and wouldn't be caught dead on it. I've yet to meet anyone on there that wasn't completely damaged in one way or another or that I'd be willing to bring home to meet my Mom.

[Arty33]

From her texts, all sob stories about her dad is dying her stepmom being mean, told her no money to meet. Finally she called me some names and left the chat. Knew she had no real interest since she started texting without even checking my pictures, LOL, that's a dead giveaway someone's into money scam.

https://members.seeking.com/member/a...6-ae6336ae601a

She for real. Met up with her when she had a different profile a few months ago. Her pics are heavily edited. She has a lot of face sores, and skinny. I talk 5 mins and knew I wasn't interested. Say she use to be into heavy drug use. I'm guessing she meth user. Also notice a tall light skin black guy eye us during coffee. She seem jittery around me, so I made an excuse to end M&G quickly. I drove one big circle. Then I saw her walking with the guy eyeing us earlier to the bus stop. Seems like he was her partner. I would be very careful with this one.

[Old Chinese Guy]

I feel like at least 50% of the time when I give an extra amount to a girl, she then expects it next time we meet, even if I make it clear the extra is a 1-time exception. Like when I give her the normal amount on the next date, I get the look and a question about how come it's lower this time, not recognizing that the last time I gave her extra for a special circumstance, or that I was just feeling generous, or she gave me a rimjob I don't fucking know. Then the situation turns awkward, at some point I have to tell her I don't like it when she demands extra and that it's not a gift then, she's just raising the allowance. Then she gets hissy about how I don't appreciate her, and next thing I know I'm down 1 SB and +1 blocked number.

I think it depends on the girl and your relationship. I have given extra when asked if it's for something specific and I value our relationship, like some extra spending money when they travel. Or if they need (not want) something urgently. But it is always clear it is the exception more than the rule. So rates always stay the same for me with extras from time to time. It does essentially boil down to a higher overall rate.

[JonFisher]

I feel like at least 50% of the time when I give an extra amount to a girl, she then expects it next time we meet, even if I make it clear the extra is a 1-time exception. Like when I give her the normal amount on the next date, I get the look and a question about how come it's lower this time, not recognizing that the last time I gave her extra for a special circumstance, or that I was just feeling generous, or she gave me a rimjob I don't fucking know. Then the situation turns awkward, at some point I have to tell her I don't like it when she demands extra and that it's not a gift then, she's just raising the allowance. Then she gets hissy about how I don't appreciate her, and next thing I know I'm down 1 SB and +1 blocked number.

I have found that a small gift costing 10 $ is worth a lot more say 100 $ in allowance money and they don't expect that every time. I have a bunch of 10,25, 50 gift cards and some 12 $ pyjamas from Costco etc. in my car. Or wine bottle if over 21,. I hand them out occasionally and they get me far more mileage.

But agree with Arty, you give what you feel you are comfortable with. I started giving one of my SB 100 more because I was seeing her less and told her its because of inflation and by jolly, she loves me so much more. It was because she did not expect it.