Non Pro's

**BugManLet** · 02-17-22 20:00

So coming from the Reddit board the refrain there is always "yeah SA is awful but it's the only game in town" and I believed that. But your comment got me curious and I created a SB profile and here's my thoughts as a newb so far.

There are a lot of appealing profiles, way more than I expected. I recognize many from SA but lots of unique ones to SB. Even saw a woman I hooked up with in 2020 who dropped off SA but is active on SB.

In two weeks I've received 60 first messages from mostly local girls with my very low effort profile. Many are cute. I'm SA I would get 60 messages from Venezuela, out of state and a handful of local pros or uglies. Anything good I needed to message first.

But I'm suspicious by this as the site wants you to burn credits unlocking conversations. So far I haven't gotten great follow up to my replies other than girls sharing private photos which also burns credits to unlock. My hunch is lots of bots to part you with your credits!

So I'm now being very selective with what conversations I pursue and not bothering with viewing private photos.

I do really like the video verification and short videos! Amazing how many girls have decent photos but look like shit in their videos! This alone saves a lot of wasted time. Man I wish SA had been doing this.

So far haven't met anyone off the site but it seems promising, at least worth a try.

Originally Posted by MarkoRamius [View Original Post]

Like any SB site, there are lots of fake profiles. But no more than usual.

And since seeking.com appears to be imploding (banning more guys, raising membership fees on the ones they haven't yet banned) it is best to move on to greener pastures.

I have had no trouble finding real and willing girls there.

**XyzzyS2** · 02-17-22 19:53

Originally Posted by Irwin18 [View Original Post]

Wow. Yaz quoted me four. Do you think it's a scam?

I think she may be dropping the price after not finding any takers at 600?.

**BugManLet** · 02-17-22 19:30

Hopefully I'm not getting priced out of the game. I'm not embarrassed to admit that I've always been a bit if a poseur of a "sugar daddy". I had some windfalls I diverted and cash squirreled away that I had a couple years of fun but my well is low at the moment. I had no trouble finding attractive white girls at $3-400 PPM for 3-4 hour dates. But I play in Pierce / Kitsap and never chat with Seattle / Bellevue girls. Maybe like in real estate your money goes farther out of the city. I've also had good Seeking experiences in Yakima, Walla Walla and Spokane while traveling.

Originally Posted by MrPumpNDump [View Original Post]

LOL welcome! I've found if you are flexible on 500 you can pull a lot of the hotter girls. I usually open 400 if girl looks pricey and go up to 500 if she asks so she can "win" the negotiation. Doesn't work every time, but a good portition of girls are open to it and may negotiate down later. If they don't just move on.

**MrPumpNDump** · 02-17-22 13:33

Originally Posted by BugManLet [View Original Post]

New guy here, though not new to the scene. Finally found this after all the whispers on sugarlifestyleforum. I started out interested in the hobby several years ago and lurked around. I dipped my toes in and felt it wasn't for me. After a while I heard about Seeking Arrangements and found it was more my speed. I've been on and off for 3 years, started with using it to line up dates when traveling for work then moved into meeting locals for regular ongoing arrangements. I've hooked up with 15 women, two of those were 3-4 month weekly meetups and my most recent was 9 months long which ended recently. I'm mid-40's and married. I've always done PPM, at $300 or $400 depending on situation. I aim for a fun, casual dating vibe and avoid any pro signals. Had some really cool and gorgeous girls. I'm testing the waters again and what I'm experiencing and reading on this forum isn't encouraging. Seems like everything else, pussy inflation is real. I've enjoyed the commentary and intel here and I'll see if I can contribute.

LOL welcome! I've found if you are flexible on 500 you can pull a lot of the hotter girls. I usually open 400 if girl looks pricey and go up to 500 if she asks so she can "win" the negotiation. Doesn't work every time, but a good portition of girls are open to it and may negotiate down later. If they don't just move on.

**MrPumpNDump** · 02-17-22 13:31

Originally Posted by BugManLet [View Original Post]

I don't mean to "cool story bro" ya as I've heard a few times about guys getting "free" action. But I'm always straight up, respectful, basically treat things like a vanilla first date. I'm reasonably attractive and present myself well. I've met dozens of women off Seeking and never been offered sex for free. Then again I'm not playing dumb about the site and usually acknowledge up front about being "mutually beneficial". I'm probably doing it wrong!

I've met a few people off seeking who would vanilla date / fuck for free. Not as common as this but it does happen.

If you lead a legit "baller" lifestyle it's a lot easier. (e. G. Michelin Star restaurants (don't get me started on Seattle food scene, sucks ass), penthouse / nice apartment in city, vacations at 5 star hotels) vs "upper middle class with some spending money".

I'm not like super high income and not knocking anybody on SA, but 200 k income vs even upper 6 figures is a huge lifestyle difference that SBs can pick up on.

Also if you're 5'2 but in shape and not embarrassing to be seen in public with vs old / fat / dress poorly it can make a big difference too.

**BugManLet** · 02-17-22 02:31

I don't mean to "cool story bro" ya as I've heard a few times about guys getting "free" action. But I'm always straight up, respectful, basically treat things like a vanilla first date. I'm reasonably attractive and present myself well. I've met dozens of women off Seeking and never been offered sex for free. Then again I'm not playing dumb about the site and usually acknowledge up front about being "mutually beneficial". I'm probably doing it wrong!

Originally Posted by TnaPorter [View Original Post]

I still don't believe that. I mean, I've done the SA thing for a while and I can tell it's a real struggle out there for them. I've never met a girl on there who wasn't excited / relieved at how nice I was and that I actually had money. They come in with really high hopes and expectations and then get shot down because it just doesn't play out like the TikToks say it will. I would say that at least 90% of the time, if you treat those girls like human beings, they not only don't cost that much but you'll get some really good service and sometimes even get to have them just because you took them to lunch. There's no doubt that a ton of those girls have borderline PTSD from what guys on there have done to them. I've heard stories about how guys promised them some amount of money, then they end up fucking them really rough, spitting on them, verbally degrading them, and then throwing them $40 as they walk out.

I'm not a hot guy. I'm a 5'4" asian with a tiny dick and there's zero reason why these women should be hitting me up to go to dinner and fuck for free afterwards (yeah, I still consider that free) but it happens all the time. If you want my guess as to the greatest deficiency in guys on there, it's that they don't know how to talk. You have to listen, ask relevant questions, and give thoughtful responses. Some guys on here call it game, but I just call it not being socially inept. If you do that, I would say that the great majority of the time, the SA girl will fuck you for way, way less than she would a typical guy on there.

**BugManLet** · 02-17-22 02:13

New guy here, though not new to the scene. Finally found this after all the whispers on sugarlifestyleforum. I started out interested in the hobby several years ago and lurked around. I dipped my toes in and felt it wasn't for me. After a while I heard about Seeking Arrangements and found it was more my speed. I've been on and off for 3 years, started with using it to line up dates when traveling for work then moved into meeting locals for regular ongoing arrangements. I've hooked up with 15 women, two of those were 3-4 month weekly meetups and my most recent was 9 months long which ended recently. I'm mid-40's and married. I've always done PPM, at $300 or $400 depending on situation. I aim for a fun, casual dating vibe and avoid any pro signals. Had some really cool and gorgeous girls. I'm testing the waters again and what I'm experiencing and reading on this forum isn't encouraging. Seems like everything else, pussy inflation is real. I've enjoyed the commentary and intel here and I'll see if I can contribute.

**Irwin18** · 02-16-22 21:08

MissYaz6945 - wants 600-800 PPM.

https://members.seeking.com/member/9...2-dd916e91a541

Wow. Yaz quoted me four. Do you think it's a scam?

**Marko Ramius** · 02-16-22 13:09

Originally Posted by MarkoRamius [View Original Post]

...

So she got crossed off the list, just like that.

This isn't technically even GPS because no pussy is yet being offered.

After all that shit I ordered a Tenga Flip Zero from Amazon. Should be here tomorrow. It already has cost me less than that girl cost me (Including the mexican food) and isn't hitting me up for more money. So even though Amazon hasn't yet delivered it I am happier with a fake pussy than with that girl.

She is a cute petite black girl by the name of Layla.

Even though I cut her off and even though it is 100 percent clear I don't owe her anything, she is still blowing up my burner phone and still hitting me up for money. With one exception I'm just ignoring her.

She posted something about "how I'll get what I want, you just have to be patient with me. " and I got very annoyed. Very annoyed.

Again this isn't even GPS because no pussy is on offer or, at this point, even wanted.

Anyway, that Tenga Flip Zero arrived and it is way better than this girl could ever be. And at $80 from Amazon it is less expensive than taking her to Mexican food and is good for more than one use.

**3Putt** · 02-16-22 11:32

Then two things are true.

She is wild in the sack.

And bat shit crazy.

**Bronco62** · 02-15-22 16:41

https://members.seeking.com/member/9...9-d0bb23d592ee

Wants $500 PER HOUR and expects that rate to include time spent getting drinks or a meal.

**XyzzyS2** · 02-15-22 13:00

HilariousActress. Picture seller.

https://members.seeking.com/member/f...4-0bcabb962cb7

RedRider. Wants 600-700 PPM.

https://members.seeking.com/member/f...d-701c91f09f25

MissYaz6945 - wants 600-800 PPM.

https://members.seeking.com/member/9...2-dd916e91a541

**Michael1967** · 02-12-22 20:34

Originally Posted by MarkoRamius [View Original Post]

My own thoughts are that no girl is going to make much of living charging guys $50 to get taken to lunch. And how many lunches a week can she really go to?

I agree that paying much more than that becomes toxic quickly.

I'm sort of the same mind. I give them the money for taking the time to meet me. Most are appreciative of it. I'm not condemning people that don't pay for it. We all have our style of doing things. If it's obvious that we're not compatible, I don't give anything, otherwise, that $50-60 may be difference between lackluster sex and enthusiastic sex once things get going.

**Marko Ramius** · 02-12-22 19:45

Originally Posted by Spacehog [View Original Post]

I don't even pay them for the meet and greet. I'll buy them lunch / dinner / coffee sure but beyond that they know upfront this is free to see if there is chemistry. If they start to balk then sorry I then know there is a very high possibility all they want is to meet random guys get paid and never give anything else. I know a girl who did this for years scamming guys out of thousands of dollars for meet ups and "pay for their time". Just go on regular dates if that's what you're looking for.

My own thoughts are that no girl is going to make much of living charging guys $50 to get taken to lunch. And how many lunches a week can she really go to?

I agree that paying much more than that becomes toxic quickly.