The Raleigh area "Sugar Bowl" (SA, WYP, SD4 ME)

[Gibbs70]

I'm out of contact for a few weeks, and come to see Yaya getting questioned, borderline rant? Let's all take a step back and work to better understand the bowl. This is not backpage, although some have leaked into this space.

Most girls in the bowl are either actual college girls looking for 1 or 2 guys to help them out, and others are UTR. Neither of which appreciate specific names being shared among other guys. They are not working girls, just girls looking to have some fun and payoff some debt.

As for rates, I have has several ask for 400 to 500, but never once paid over 250 (once). Standard rate is 200, but that is lowered based on looks and ability for them to host. Sharing names here is not something I am comfortable with either, as I don't want to upset my SB (or two, or three.). I've PM'd with a few of the Sr's who are questioning the bowl, and would be happy to chat about approach and price in a not so public manner. I am in the middle of an extensive move, so maybe a little slow responding. I will also go back and try to find a few of the working girls. They change accounts regularly.

Stay safe,

Gibbs.

Sorry that my input was not to your liking. However, I've learned a LOT through personal experience over the years and I'm happy to share what has worked and not worked in the bowl. I'm sure that there are plenty of brothers reading this forum and elsewhere on this site that would appreciate tips on how to increase their chances of getting laid with their desired SB while saving some benjamins in the process. If that's not you, then that's fine too.

I've reviewed girls in the past that were active on the site at the time, have exchanged details privately with trusted senior members, and have even been burned by white knights trying to curry favor with a SB I've posted about. Both girls I'm currently seeing closed their SA accounts immediately after starting things with me because their needs are being met so there are no links to share. Happy hunting!

Yaya.

[YayaGogo]

Again, if you want to contribute to the board give the names of the ones you met. I certainly have and consider it useful to others.

Sorry that my input was not to your liking. However, I've learned a LOT through personal experience over the years and I'm happy to share what has worked and not worked in the bowl. I'm sure that there are plenty of brothers reading this forum and elsewhere on this site that would appreciate tips on how to increase their chances of getting laid with their desired SB while saving some benjamins in the process. If that's not you, then that's fine too.

I've reviewed girls in the past that were active on the site at the time, have exchanged details privately with trusted senior members, and have even been burned by white knights trying to curry favor with a SB I've posted about. Both girls I'm currently seeing closed their SA accounts immediately after starting things with me because their needs are being met so there are no links to share. Happy hunting!

Yaya.

[SneakyMan]

Seems to want 5 for a 30 minute visit. Laughable

At least she responded to you. Seems most of the ones I message just ignore me and that's before they figure out how ugly I am. LOL.

[Pubb69]

Seems to want 5 for a 30 minute visit. Laughable

[Pubb69]

Can't comment as I don't know your approach or experience. I never discuss allowance until we've met face to face (where it's harder for them to negotiate), and only in the context of 'helping with their bills'. Likewise, when time comes up it's always 'a couple of hours should do it'. I'm not boasting or saying I haven't met or attempted something with girls that ask for 4 or 5 bills and won't come down, I'm just saying that my years of experience in the bowl has taught me to never go for it because there are always plenty of girls that will go for much less. Good luck!

Yaya.

Again, if you want to contribute to the board give the names of the ones you met. I certainly have and consider it useful to others.

[YayaGogo]

Hmmm.

Every one I contacted has asked for 5, most have turned down my request of 2 hours or more at that rate.

Granted most are not even worth 2 I call bs on your post unless you want to bring up the names of the ones that are accepting.

Your short money offers.

I have posted names on every one of my meetings where you are generalizing and boasting. Give us some names and your post.

Will be credible otherwise it means nothing.

Can't comment as I don't know your approach or experience. I never discuss allowance until we've met face to face (where it's harder for them to negotiate), and only in the context of 'helping with their bills'. Likewise, when time comes up it's always 'a couple of hours should do it'. I'm not boasting or saying I haven't met or attempted something with girls that ask for 4 or 5 bills and won't come down, I'm just saying that my years of experience in the bowl has taught me to never go for it because there are always plenty of girls that will go for much less. Good luck!

Yaya.

[YayaGogo]

If I had the time and energy to bring that much game, I wouldn't be paying, other than buying dinner. I don't get bringing game and p4 p. Plus, I'm not in the bowl for a relationship, just young wet kitty.

Med.

I have a SO so not looking for a relationship either. Just saying that if you're not creepy in your approach it'll help land the girls that get scared off the site after a week or two.

[Pubb69]

Sorry Pubb, but I echo the previous poster that there is NO WAY that anyone should command 4 to 6 bills in this area, unless she's staying the weekend and also cleaning my house. I've only gone as high as 3 once, and she was a legitimate 6 foot tall Brazillian model with DD's that did everything I wanted for a few hours at a time. Otherwise I'm ALWAYS paying 2 bills or less for multi hour fun times with unbelievably HOT college girls (currently I have two 18 year olds I see), and it's all because I put the effort to be nice to them and make that connection they're looking for while everyone else seems to do the opposite. If you have that kind of bankroll and want to spend it every meet then go for it, but you can easily cut that in half and get better quality girls than you're getting now (clean and well groomed) just by developing some game. Good luck!

Yaya.

Hmmm.

Every one I contacted has asked for 5, most have turned down my request of 2 hours or more at that rate.

Granted most are not even worth 2 I call bs on your post unless you want to bring up the names of the ones that are accepting.

Your short money offers.

I have posted names on every one of my meetings where you are generalizing and boasting. Give us some names and your post.

Will be credible otherwise it means nothing.

[MedJohnson]

If I had the time and energy to bring that much game, I wouldn't be paying, other than buying dinner. I don't get bringing game and p4 p. Plus, I'm not in the bowl for a relationship, just young wet kitty.

Med.

Sorry Pubb, but I echo the previous poster that there is NO WAY that anyone should command 4 to 6 bills in this area, unless she's staying the weekend and also cleaning my house. I've only gone as high as 3 once, and she was a legitimate 6 foot tall Brazillian model with DD's that did everything I wanted for a few hours at a time. Otherwise I'm ALWAYS paying 2 bills or less for multi hour fun times with unbelievably HOT college girls (currently I have two 18 year olds I see), and it's all because I put the effort to be nice to them and make that connection they're looking for while everyone else seems to do the opposite. If you have that kind of bankroll and want to spend it every meet then go for it, but you can easily cut that in half and get better quality girls than you're getting now (clean and well groomed) just by developing some game. Good luck!

Yaya.

[YayaGogo]

Allowance, but as far as looks go maybe a 7.

A redhead named Margii was about the best I met. She had an incredibly high opinion of herself and the value of her time.

Unfortunately the experience was just only average.

Sorry Pubb, but I echo the previous poster that there is NO WAY that anyone should command 4 to 6 bills in this area, unless she's staying the weekend and also cleaning my house. I've only gone as high as 3 once, and she was a legitimate 6 foot tall Brazillian model with DD's that did everything I wanted for a few hours at a time. Otherwise I'm ALWAYS paying 2 bills or less for multi hour fun times with unbelievably HOT college girls (currently I have two 18 year olds I see), and it's all because I put the effort to be nice to them and make that connection they're looking for while everyone else seems to do the opposite. If you have that kind of bankroll and want to spend it every meet then go for it, but you can easily cut that in half and get better quality girls than you're getting now (clean and well groomed) just by developing some game. Good luck!

Yaya.

[Pubb69]

Sorry, are you saying 4 to 6 in looks or allowance? Still unacceptable either way.

Allowance, but as far as looks go maybe a 7.

A redhead named Margii was about the best I met. She had an incredibly high opinion of herself and the value of her time.

Unfortunately the experience was just only average.

[YayaGogo]

Has anyone else noticed a problem in that area.

Dates at the 4 to 6 range showing up unshowered and with dog breath.

Sorry, are you saying 4 to 6 in looks or allowance? Still unacceptable either way.

[CallMeWill]

Great post, but I don't think there are any absolutes in this arena. I've dated probably over 100 sugar babies over the past five years and still have a few of the girls I originally met wanting to play from time to time. I never once have went over 300 for any allowance and generally speaking have had no issues getting quality girls for 100-200, but again, I do not believe I'm your typical run of the mill daddy. I can adapt and relate and make it a personable experience in many ways for these girls.

I have had many, many non allowance FC sessions. Even a Duke girl who was a total nerdy, but hot 23 years old, one of these hot, but she didn't know it types. Going to school to be a neurosurgeon and she just wanted a hot random experience with an older man. And boy did I give her one. She didn't take a penny. The two girls my buddy and I rocked the other night. Yes, we allowance them, but the next day, they were so into what we had done, the two girls offered another night for no allowance. I've met many lonely, but semi-hot 30-something women who don't even want an allowance, they just want a man and some fun. I've even met a few girls on there who had and make more money then me. I've met two recent doctor graduates who were MD's late 20 and early 30. They just thought it might be a good site to score a man who, "had his shit together."

Anything goes and anything can be found on SA if you play it right and look long enough. I've had orgy parties, threesomes, young hot girls who truly just wanted to experience an older man and to be fucked right, girls who wanted to be a trained sub. Most all of these girls will do a threesomes too, if you bring the right other girl. They love it and get into it. You name it! I like a variety so I tend to move on to the next girl. Yes, I do pay allowances, but my point is, there are other experiences to be found. And 95% of the time, I do not go over 200. I had a girl last week tell me she has never taken a sugar date for less than 400, but agreed to my 200 as she put it, "you're kind of hot and I have fun with you." Again, I gave her a personable experience.

A lot of this that factors in, are you age, looks and how you relate to these girls. Most want a man to dominate them, but if you give them the feeling there is a connection there, you're in.

You and I already know we are on the same page. I had to re-register a new User Name, for some odd reason could not get my StormyTuesday name to work after the new owners took over the site. Now I have to work back up to Senior Brother status LOL.

I sent a password reminder to the email associated with your forum account.

A2

[Pubb69]

Yes, and unshaven armpits, legs, pussy.

Yet they all consider themselves too good and upscale. Really nothing but disappointments so far.

Is there some millennial thing going on to not shave there pussys and not douche?

[CallMeWill]

I am hoping you guys can provide some info. I have two UTRs (Twins). They are UTR because they really don't have the type of living arrangements to allow a BP-style post. They don't live together, they are dirt poor and can't drive. One does not even have a working phone. If you are familiar with them, yes, they are healthy for about 6 months. But I fear one is slipping away due to difficulty getting to her rehab appointments. Anyway, I am trying to find out if anyone knows if the SBs have to pay to be on SA, or is it free for them to post and be able to communicate? I know SA has "free" sign up but with no commuication, the free part is useless. Part of me does not want to share, but I don't want to see my honey hole dry up. Any info is appreciated. As with all prior, this post is about my dreams, not reality.

Just sent you a PM.