"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[JeanSaulPartre]

I find one of the problems is to balance the need for quality and consistency with the need for novelty and variety. Once you find someone (or someones) you like, you want to keep them, as over the years one learns to recognize the value of combined youth, beauty, brains and low drama. These finds are rare. However, even $ aside, there just that many days in the week and one still needs to exercise, play golf or tennis and do house chores. Your concubines become addicted to sugar and need their weekly (that they sometimes request to become bi-weekly) trysts, while you are instead tempted to explore the underworld behind the skirt of your newly convinced doll. Adding someone new to the rotation will put more pressure on all these previous commitments, and eventually, resources. Still, I suppose that is a better problem to be had than dealing with the unpredictability and all the complementary problems of the threads outside this one, aptly described below.

[BamBam]

You know you have been doing this a long time when you message a girl and she says you have already gone out on a date with her. LOL. Now I keep a spreadsheet. But it only goes back two or three years.

Some of the women post a new profile when the old one gets stale. Sometimes they create new pics but often they are using the same ones form several years back. I just shrug and say: "How could I passed on a great woman like you? Let's try a second time!" There is always a chance their expectations have adjusted lower.

RB.

[HollywoodGuy]

You know you have been doing this a long time when you message a girl and she says you have already gone out on a date with her. LOL. Now I keep a spreadsheet. But it only goes back two or three years.

[JeanSaulPartre]

And its not GFE, it's a part time real GF, and there is a difference.

So true. Yes, that is the main reason to play in the bowl.

[HollywoodGuy]

I think he meant she was wanting $$$ per date so things got put on pause after the M&G.

Mileage is a huge difference when it comes to who you want bb action from.

Also with the time spent with a SB, you can teach them to service you just as you like and cater to your wants and needs rather than asking what her "menu" is.

Menus, rules, restrictions, condoms, clock watching, mileage. All for a little convenience?

It is so tempting to pay the $$ for a guaranteed hottie, that may have some real skills to boot. But there is no future in it. It's a revolving door that a lot of guys do prefer. I like regulars that are exclusive to me and take direction with a smile. And its not GFE, it's a part time real GF, and there is a difference. I am probably gonna treat myself to a some UTR or Pro hotties for xmas. But the mainstay has to be SB's.

I have talked pros into GFE sessions, but their heart isn't in it for the long term. Some are very sweet and nice and hope with a little extra effort they can turn you into a regular. And then they back down a little on the affection after a a few dates (or even one). Just my experience. But thats the difference on this thread. We are the 1 percenters of the paid dating world.

[Dolato]

Seriously, you are paying $$$ just for M&G?

I think he meant she was wanting $$$ per date so things got put on pause after the M&G.

I suppose part of this is a preference thing, but from a pure monger perspective it seems to me going with the Backpage girls is much more efficient timewise and costwise.

Mileage is a huge difference when it comes to who you want bb action from.

Also with the time spent with a SB, you can teach them to service you just as you like and cater to your wants and needs rather than asking what her "menu" is.

[HollywoodGuy]

I started messaging a girl that had no pic on her profile. Never a good sign.

She was like mid thirties yet couldn't seem to have an even conversation with me via txt. Another bad sign.

Too many messages going back and forth. Another red flag.

Tried to flake on our M&G and reschedule. More bad news.

Finally sent me a pic that was fuzzy. A no no.

At this point I am like ok, it says in her profile that she was "slim and fit". I get her to meet me at a starbucks nearby. Within one minute I knew this was never going to happen. Talked to her for 20 minutes anyway just because I am a nice guy. Then she asked me the dreaded question (and this was after me sending her a P4P message) "so what exactly are you looking for?

Uhhhhhh, pussy? LOL. And I am sure I could have gotten it from her. But she wasn't that slim. I might except some thickness from an 18 year old but not from a 35 year old.

I need to stick to my rules. And only date 20 year olds. They seem to know what I want and don't ask a lot of stupid questions. I could do a hookup date later tonite with the UTR of the moment. Maybe tomorrow, right now I am gonna get a massage (a legit massage).

[FredMoore]

Success depends on:

1) looks.

2) game.

3) money thrown in.

4) availability.

All but #4 can be gotten around. So if you guys are fruetrated by your lack of success then look hard at which of these can be changed. For example, Hollywood, the Patron Saint of Sugaring, has (I suspect) #s 1,2, and 4 in action . He is monumentally successful and chooses to limit his donation( #3) because he can. On the other hand, an SD without looks or game can be successful by throwing a big number at the Pot. Can you imagine the response to your intro letter if you said you will give $1 K / meeting? They would be lining up to blow you.

I confess I have been struggling fellow Sugars. I am fortunate to have 1 & 2 . But my So is all over my ass and I can not go to Home Depot without a tail. It's not quite that bad but #s 3 &4 have suffered because my bank account is noticed, and my availability is severely limited. I am pretty much down to needing to hire hookers but I want a LMG (Low Mileage Girl) Can I have that? I am trying my brothers but the success rate in closing the deal has fallen to under 20 % . You have got to be available to date these SBs a little bit. That means go out in public and take them to dinner, throw some Benjamins around, maybe walk through Target (Chanel isn't even necessary) and buy a $35 sweater. They love you for that slice of normalcy.

So if you are skulking around the shadows trying to get a cute college girl to meet you in the notel and skip dinner, it isn't likely to happen. Just sayin '.

[VaSD1]

Seriously, you are paying $$$ just for M&G?

Lord no, LOL. I paid for coffee. $$$ was what she wanted to go to the FC.

[Dandy Don]

My little friend paid some modest tuition money, learned a lesson, wants to share it with those here.

My little friend came to believe his SB had serious financial issues making her turn to this life and dancing on a pole.

She always seemed anhedonic at the FC.

Her need for cash was insatiable and the tales told to try to get more sugar were impressive: court dates, fines, got to stay out of jail, an advance NOW, an advance tonight.

The image presented to the world was that of young college student, the reality was much different.

My suggestion to those that are in the SD world: Learn about Heroin. Learn how it can be ingested, what the signs of a problem are, learn the lies that get told to get more money.

Then choose how you play the game.

Don't get taken.

One girl off SA who periodically messages me, always very eager to get together and very suggestive, I believe has a drug problem. She is a pretty girl, but she texted me pics that seem to reveal a loss in weight. I hunted down her facebook page and her appearance has definitely changed in the last year. So I suspect H or pills have taken hold. This is why is always best to chat for a little and gather as much info about the girl as possible so you can do some online research. Another girl I found a couple mugshots but never could determine the exact reason for the arrests.

[GeorgeRichmond]

Pretty girl but at $$$ was only a M&G for me. Left the door open, maybe she'll reconnect at a more reasonable number if she doesn't get any takers.

Seriously, you are paying $$$ just for M&G?

[Grumpyinva]

My hat off to those who can actually make something happen. I'm striking out big time. I must be doing something wrong.

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I had three more I was communicating with and just trying to line up a date with. All three went quiet during Halloween. Meh.

This is way, way more work than trawling CL / BP, for absolutely zero return to date. Granted it's been very inexpensive in money, but my time, man, my time. I have no idea how you guys do it.

The numbers game is overbalanced far more than you would expect, at first. Do not be surprised to talk to 20-50 potentials (of which 1/4 will actually move to the meet and greet, at best,) and to have sent out 4-5 times as many messages, and only find one that's reliable and worth keeping. When you do find one, your goal is to manage to negotiate a budget that's affordable, because, face it, you can hire 20 yo hotties at an hourly rate, and have plenty of variety without the time investment, dinners, and general drama. The bonus of a SB is that the few that are reliable tend to stay reliable (unless you move them from "per-visit" to "allowance", at which point you will find a sudden and sharp downturn in their availability for many of them. Sometimes correctable, sometimes just a lesson to move on,) and you actually develop a comfortable quasi-relationship with them, with no clock watching whatsoever. It's par for the course for them to be willing and happy to stay overnight with you, with no thought of extra $ on top.

I do tend to stay friends with my relatively few ex-SBs, including those who were encountered in more traditional ways than hitting a site (I. E. Identifying potentials in "normal" situations, and making sure they get the message that you're open for some mutually beneficial discussions, without coming off as too creepy,) and have occasionally revisited them for short spans of time, to satisfy an itch. Another option is regular dating sites. A lot of the girls you see on sugar sites will have regular dating profiles, as well. Never admit you saw them on an SD site, and you can sometimes let yourself be "lured in" to a mutually beneficial relationship. However, I have found that SBs tend to have a shelf life of about 6 months to a year. I admire HG for his ability to maintain them over longer periods, but perhaps his extreme variety helps him to keep the requisite amount of distance from any given one of them. As long as they're still trying to get your attention and your time, and you're fitting them into your schedule (NOT vice-versa) they seem to last for a while. If you let their service slip, though, you need to remember that this is, by nature, transactional, and either their service needs to improve, or you need to find a replacement (and you'll find it useful if you keep on looking, even if your frequency of hunting goes down a lot.) Never buy into sob stories, but do expect that every so often one will hit you up for some random emergency. And see above for the same effect as moving to "allowance". If they feel that they owe you, they're less likely to show up than if they feel that things are balanced.

But, back to the topic at hand: yes, they flake. A lot. Constantly. No call / no show is the most frustrating, closely followed by "I'm on the way, but I'll be just a few minutes / stuck in traffic / babysitter hasn't shown up" etc. The first requirement I have is finding one that doesn't flake, before I consider whether we should be doing anything more than a one-off. The second requirement (also mandatory) is that I find them attractive and interesting enough to continue. Sadly, the overlap between those two requirements leaves an extremely small range of girls.

Disclaimer: My odds are based on having average looks, and not a huge amount of cash to throw around. If you do better in looks or cash (even if you don't spend the cash on THEM, don't discount the effect of casually pulling up in your polished sportscar. Not flaunting, just making it clear that that's your norm,) you'll find a lot less flakiness, as they'll sometimes be aiming for the jackpot (I. E. The possibility of an LTR with you,) instead of aiming for a temporary lifestyle enhancer. For me, I just want to be their lifestyle enhancer. I get enough relationship BS already. .

Anyway, persevere, and know that it's not just you. I don't think anyone gets SB experience without dealing with absurd numbers of flakes and no-shows.

[VaSD1]

How was # 2 ? The blond.

Pretty girl but at $$$ was only a M&G for me. Left the door open, maybe she'll reconnect at a more reasonable number if she doesn't get any takers.

[John252]

My little friend paid some modest tuition money, learned a lesson, wants to share it with those here.

My little friend came to believe his SB had serious financial issues making her turn to this life and dancing on a pole.

She always seemed anhedonic at the FC.

Her need for cash was insatiable and the tales told to try to get more sugar were impressive: court dates, fines, got to stay out of jail, an advance NOW, an advance tonight.

The image presented to the world was that of young college student, the reality was much different.

My suggestion to those that are in the SD world: Learn about Heroin. Learn how it can be ingested, what the signs of a problem are, learn the lies that get told to get more money.

Then choose how you play the game.

Don't get taken.

[HollywoodGuy]

Don't give up yet. In almost three months since I discovered playing in the sugar bowl I have had my share of flakes but the rewards of the good ones make me think if I ever won the lottery I would spend the rest of my life playing the sugar daddy game.

How was # 2 ? The blond.