"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[VaSD1]

When it rains it pours. I am always looking but mentally I really have a, I don't give a shit attitude about it all right now. Also to make things a little more chill for my regulars I have started wearing condoms with any random girl I meet. I don't really like it but I get it.

I still miss my x but I am dealing with it. Girls can smell neediness and desperation from a mile away, something I have very little of these days. At the moment I am so physically drained. These girls will take it out of you. But no matter how tired I feel one day I seem to rebound the next.

Plus the flu and cold season came a little early, that can really put a damper on things. Just rambling. When I have some new pics to post I will. I am trying one thing at the moment with just one girl. Which was to get into a convo with no talk of sugar. Something I never do but it just took off in that direction. In the past that tactic has always backfired on me. I really really just don't care right now. So maybe its a good time to experiment.

I lost a girl Monday shooting my mouth off after she flaked. I could have acted like it was OK and rescheduled her, but instead I told her I had a back up date. She didn't like that. Oh well, next. So instead I went out with a chinese girl I met at a party a few weeks ago. She was the bartender. I asked her at the party if she had ever tried sugar dating and she said no, but she gave me her number. On the date the chemistry just wasn't there for me and I am sure she picked up on that. It was kind of hard not to as I was at half mast. Never a good first date. I apologized it was so bad. I might txt her again. She was cute and sexy but my mind was elsewhere.

Last nites date was my 3rd date with a new college cuite. She agreed to the $.2 but then tried to hit me up for mare at the end. I refused. She got out of the car without saying goodbye. I,ll fix it later if I can. Her skills are excellent and worth the extra effort.

Lets see some pics guys. I love pics and a lot of the girls do too. They all secretly (or not so secretly) want to be little porn star princesses.

I don't have any completely fresh pics but HG deserves some fun for all of his contributions. Here is a sampling of some of my sugar bowl girls over the last couple of months.

[VaSD1]

My hat off to those who can actually make something happen. I'm striking out big time. I must be doing something wrong.

I might have mentioned that date #2 went well with a cute girl (no sugar involved). Via email she agreed to the FC, but it's been a week and so sign of a future meeting, so that's not looking up.

A few days ago I did a Skype convo and 2 phones with new girls. The skype girl was cute, nice and upbeat on Skype, but then disappeared, so I can only assume I'm not her type, which is fine. The first phone girl has been all excited to meet, which we had scheduled for yesterday. 2 hours before I hit the road she changed her mind and decided she didn't want to do it. Girl #3 has been very forward, so I texted her when the flake fell through. She said she could M&G in 2 hours, but at the appointed time she was MIA. She later claimed that her phone died. She'd like to reschedule, which I might do because her pictures are easily the hottest I've seen to date. But I don't hold much hope there either.

I had three more I was communicating with and just trying to line up a date with. All three went quiet during Halloween. Meh.

This is way, way more work than trawling CL / BP, for absolutely zero return to date. Granted it's been very inexpensive in money, but my time, man, my time. I have no idea how you guys do it.

Don't give up yet. In almost three months since I discovered playing in the sugar bowl I have had my share of flakes but the rewards of the good ones make me think if I ever won the lottery I would spend the rest of my life playing the sugar daddy game.

[SlowMo]

My hat off to those who can actually make something happen. I'm striking out big time. I must be doing something wrong.

I might have mentioned that date #2 went well with a cute girl (no sugar involved). Via email she agreed to the FC, but it's been a week and so sign of a future meeting, so that's not looking up.

A few days ago I did a Skype convo and 2 phones with new girls. The skype girl was cute, nice and upbeat on Skype, but then disappeared, so I can only assume I'm not her type, which is fine. The first phone girl has been all excited to meet, which we had scheduled for yesterday. 2 hours before I hit the road she changed her mind and decided she didn't want to do it. Girl #3 has been very forward, so I texted her when the flake fell through. She said she could M&G in 2 hours, but at the appointed time she was MIA. She later claimed that her phone died. She'd like to reschedule, which I might do because her pictures are easily the hottest I've seen to date. But I don't hold much hope there either.

I had three more I was communicating with and just trying to line up a date with. All three went quiet during Halloween. Meh.

This is way, way more work than trawling CL / BP, for absolutely zero return to date. Granted it's been very inexpensive in money, but my time, man, my time. I have no idea how you guys do it.

[Dandy Don]

Having spent some time in the back page escort section, I see less value in doing the sugar dating thing.

You can get a pretty cute girl for between $160-$200 an hour.

As this is about the price you are paying for your sugar date, you're not getting a discount unless they stay the night.

But you still incur higher time costs: messaging new girls, dealing with BS, sometimes having to date, etc.

I suppose part of this is a preference thing, but from a pure monger perspective it seems to me going with the Backpage girls is much more efficient timewise and costwise.

If all you want is a quick encounter than sure, BP might be ok depending on your locale. But my experience is that a SB experience is much, much better. First off, I am pretty confident that my SBs have not been sleeping with 10 guys a day 360 days out of the year, so that's a plus. Second, SB encounters usually last a minimum of an hour, sometimes several hours to overnight. To me that sure beats 20 minutes in a smoked filled hotel. Thirdly, because of point #1, I am going to engage in activity with my SBs that I would never do with a BP girl. And I have been a little surprised by just what things girls will do. Fourth, SBs are fun to talk to you. I enjoy chatting with them, I can says things to them I can't tell anybody else. It's like going to confessional. And what's best, they don't judge you.

Over the last year, I have had a few FWBs mixed in with the SBs. Even though SBs get sugar and FWBs do not, I think I still prefer the SBs. You just have to find the right ones, who relish there roles and truly like older men.

[FredMoore]

Having spent some time in the back page escort section, I see less value in doing the sugar dating thing.

You can get a pretty cute girl for between $160-$200 an hour.

As this is about the price you are paying for your sugar date, you're not getting a discount unless they stay the night.

But you still incur higher time costs: messaging new girls, dealing with BS, sometimes having to date, etc.

I suppose part of this is a preference thing, but from a pure monger perspective it seems to me going with the Backpage girls is much more efficient timewise and costwise.

My experience with BP in my area is that most are HMGs (high mileage girls) **UTRs at best and escorts more likely. I prefer low mileage to celibate which is more likely on the Sugar sites.

My 10/10 19 yr old has grown a conscience and bailed from the sex scene. She is still on the site but swears that she is on money for no sex. Good luck with that! More likely she is still looking for somebody more suitable. Too bad because she is a 4'10" spinner I could have a load of fun with.

My SB#1 is only seeing me I'm pretty sure but I need some variety.

[Rouleur]

What I meant to say was.

SB's can be low to very low mileage girls. Even celibate or close to it when you meet them. If that doesn't matter to you then yes it could be easier to get a good looking girl on BP for a comparable price. But if GFE is important to you then BP would be a little tougher. All true SB's are GFE. Something I think all the guys here need to have to be happy.

It is much more than just the need to Fukk. I want that GFE and perhaps a little beyond, and I'm willing to spend more to get it.

[HollywoodGuy]

Having spent some time in the back page escort section, I see less value in doing the sugar dating thing.

You can get a pretty cute girl for between $160-$200 an hour.

As this is about the price you are paying for your sugar date, you're not getting a discount unless they stay the night.

But you still incur higher time costs: messaging new girls, dealing with BS, sometimes having to date, etc.

I suppose part of this is a preference thing, but from a pure monger perspective it seems to me going with the Backpage girls is much more efficient timewise and costwise.

What I meant to say was.

SB's can be low to very low mileage girls. Even celibate or close to it when you meet them. If that doesn't matter to you then yes it could be easier to get a good looking girl on BP for a comparable price. But if GFE is important to you then BP would be a little tougher. All true SB's are GFE. Something I think all the guys here need to have to be happy.

[HollywoodGuy]

Having spent some time in the back page escort section, I see less value in doing the sugar dating thing.

You can get a pretty cute girl for between $160-$200 an hour.

As this is about the price you are paying for your sugar date, you're not getting a discount unless they stay the night.

But you still incur higher time costs: messaging new girls, dealing with BS, sometimes having to date, etc.

I suppose part of this is a preference thing, but from a pure monger perspective it seems to me going with the Backpage girls is much more efficient timewise and costwise.

SB's can be low to very low mileage girls. Even celibate or close to it when you meet them. If that doesn't matter to you then yes it could be easier to get a good looking girl on BP for a comparable price. And if GFE is important to you then BP would be a little tougher as well. All true SB's are GFE.

[Walruscl]

I suppose part of this is a preference thing, but from a pure monger perspective it seems to me going with the Backpage girls is much more efficient timewise and costwise.

The short answer is that I don't believe the math to be that straightforward, and a lot of it is what you expect to get out of the deal. For the longest time I my needs were (mostly) met with CL / BP, though that can be sufficiently hit-and-miss to incur overhead just like the bowl does. When you find a good provider that helps, but it's still work to get there.

These days I'll occasionally scan BP, mostly out of habit, but nothing I see there is even remotely tempting compared to visits with my SB.

[Wnde8]

Having spent some time in the back page escort section, I see less value in doing the sugar dating thing.

You can get a pretty cute girl for between $160-$200 an hour.

As this is about the price you are paying for your sugar date, you're not getting a discount unless they stay the night.

But you still incur higher time costs: messaging new girls, dealing with BS, sometimes having to date, etc.

I suppose part of this is a preference thing, but from a pure monger perspective it seems to me going with the Backpage girls is much more efficient timewise and costwise.

[HollywoodGuy]

When it rains it pours. I am always looking but mentally I really have a, I don't give a shit attitude about it all right now. Also to make things a little more chill for my regulars I have started wearing condoms with any random girl I meet. I don't really like it but I get it.

I still miss my x but I am dealing with it. Girls can smell neediness and desperation from a mile away, something I have very little of these days. At the moment I am so physically drained. These girls will take it out of you. But no matter how tired I feel one day I seem to rebound the next.

Plus the flu and cold season came a little early, that can really put a damper on things. Just rambling. When I have some new pics to post I will. I am trying one thing at the moment with just one girl. Which was to get into a convo with no talk of sugar. Something I never do but it just took off in that direction. In the past that tactic has always backfired on me. I really really just don't care right now. So maybe its a good time to experiment.

I lost a girl Monday shooting my mouth off after she flaked. I could have acted like it was OK and rescheduled her, but instead I told her I had a back up date. She didn't like that. Oh well, next. So instead I went out with a chinese girl I met at a party a few weeks ago. She was the bartender. I asked her at the party if she had ever tried sugar dating and she said no, but she gave me her number. On the date the chemistry just wasn't there for me and I am sure she picked up on that. It was kind of hard not to as I was at half mast. Never a good first date. I apologized it was so bad. I might txt her again. She was cute and sexy but my mind was elsewhere.

Last nites date was my 3rd date with a new college cuite. She agreed to the $.2 but then tried to hit me up for mare at the end. I refused. She got out of the car without saying goodbye. I,ll fix it later if I can. Her skills are excellent and worth the extra effort.

Lets see some pics guys. I love pics and a lot of the girls do too. They all secretly (or not so secretly) want to be little porn star princesses.

[BamBam]

More than fishy. My hypothesis is that those are fake accounts SA creates and uses to entice SDs to re-up. That explains why so many messages are from far away SBs. They know your odds of identifying them as fake is low. Already 3 of the 20+ "people" who reached out to me have cancelled profiles. Just be aware of it.

I noticed something similar on SD4 Me. If I let several days pass without signing in, when I eventually sign in, shortly afterwards, I get a flurry of pm's from people an unrealistic distance away. I am convinced these are enticements generated automatically. I have not seen the same thing from SA.

RB.

[Rouleur]

More than fishy. My hypothesis is that those are fake accounts SA creates and uses to entice SDs to re-up. That explains why so many messages are from far away SBs. They know your odds of identifying them as fake is low. Already 3 of the 20+ "people" who reached out to me have cancelled profiles. Just be aware of it.

Mine just expired two days ago. I've been used to receiving one or two legit inquiries a day. Post expiration I'm suddenly hit with several kisses from America and beyond! LOL. My favourite Kiss is the "I think you're handsome" note. Since I don't use a photo avatar I know the kiss is bogus and move along. LOL.

[SlowMo]

I can't say I have had a flood but twice I have let my membership (two different profiles) expire and noticed an uptick in messages while it was expired. The strangest one is when the oldest profile (expired, I used different email addys for both) hit me with a message from a MILF in OBX. I couldn't read the message since the account was expired. I tried searching the profile using my active account and it didn't show up. Hmm. Not sure why one account would show available profiles in a geography when another wouldn't. Fishy.

More than fishy. My hypothesis is that those are fake accounts SA creates and uses to entice SDs to re-up. That explains why so many messages are from far away SBs. They know your odds of identifying them as fake is low. Already 3 of the 20+ "people" who reached out to me have cancelled profiles. Just be aware of it.

[HollywoodGuy]

Good for you Walrus, sounds like one of those successful relationships. You took a chance fronting her a significant amount but she is evidently honest and normal. Sometimes you have to take a risk which we all do. Most of the time we lose advancing money, but there is no absolute in this crazy business. I have never won that game myself. Most use the emergency ploy to increase their take home pay, and never intend to repay in service. My former FB was a classic example. There was always some dire problem and after a number of months she was into me for $$ ,just $50 here,$50 there. I asked to reduce her fee each visit but she kept ahead of me by concocting a crisis. I fell for it too many times until I finally stopped. Sometimes a good piece is not worth the effort.

All money spent is money spent. It's an investment. Sometimes the ROI is better than others. Not all investments turn a profit. The best thing is to have a diversified portfolio (of girls that is) comprised of both high and low risk ventures. One reason I am so strict ($) with some of these girls (the new ones) is that I know I am going to have unexpected expenses with my regulars (especially in an exclusive relationship). You can't really see someone for 6 months or more and not get dinged. On another note. After reading countless posts in my area it appears if I want a never ending stream of 9+ hotty UTR girls (and I don't think SB's are any different) the going rate is $$ just for the girl. For now this will be impossible for me. Maybe next year.