"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Spitfire]

Well you obviously have a lot more experience at this sb game than I do. I feel kind of presumptuous for commenting on your technique.

We are definitely looking for different kinds of pussy. The last thing I want is a long term mistress. My ideal is a constantly changing reliable stable of sbs I can have whenever I want, like a harem. But a lot of the sb girls want to be a long term mistress. I bet you find what you're looking for.

No need to feel presumptuous! I'm always open to new ideas. I have a lot more strike outs than home runs, that's for certain. Besides, I'm not sure any one approach will work on any woman, so I tend to try different ways for each one. Anything to improve my batting average is welcome. .

[Literal2]

Everyone has something different that they're looking for in this game. Me, I'm in it to find a long term mistress type deal. The first SB I ever met when I started has become the gold standard for me. She was a college student at a local university, smart, funny, pretty and turned on by the age difference. She always joked that her friends told her she had an old-man fetish. We lasted for nearly a year and a half before she graduated and moved away. We still exchange emails every now and then. That's why I'm still in this game, chasing after that same great experience. But until I do, I'll fill my time with short-termers or one-timers.

Well you obviously have a lot more experience at this sb game than I do. I feel kind of presumptuous for commenting on your technique.

We are definitely looking for different kinds of pussy. The last thing I want is a long term mistress. My ideal is a constantly changing reliable stable of sbs I can have whenever I want, like a harem. But a lot of the sb girls want to be a long term mistress. I bet you find what you're looking for.

[Spitfire]

In both cases they came off escort boards. One was from e. Com, the other from avenue-x. I had set up the trips to meet with SB's in their area and I did not want the trips to go to waste (see previous comments on warden restrictions.) I had seen both for a while on their respective boards so I contacted them based on that. It was only in hindsight that I realized the similarities that I noted in my post. I believe the key is that neither toured and only did outcall. No incall means less chance of a production line and leads to my assumption of low volume. It could just be karma paying me back for the bad luck I've had lately with SB's.

Did you make firm appointments with these ladies or just keep them in mind as a backup?

[Spitfire]

I'm probably more sensitive to the no-show issue because of my travel situation. Not the 5 hour drive that Spitfire made but at least 2. There are some SB's in my local area but I don't want the risk of running into them at the mall afterward. There's one local one who messages me about every five days but I continue to ignore her. At least I don't make a date and then don't show up.

My last no-show (21 year old, looks 15) has now apologized and says she wants to meet. I won't be able to til mid next week at the earliest, which leaves lots of room for shit to happen between now and then.

I'm with you on the no-show issue. My travel situation is similar. The 5 hour drive I made over the weekend is unusual. I had 2 meetings lined up, but they were in opposite directions. The first one I had to drive 2 hours one way, then the next day turn around and drive the opposite direction. So it made it much longer than it would normally be. I don't think I could deal with travel long term as my work keeps me busy and I'd rather not spend all of my free time on the road. Especially for no joy at the end.

[Spitfire]

When I go online on the sb website I get emails from out of state girls too. I think they are just trolling, hoping to get lucky and find a big spender. Some of them want a little sex chat. I ignore most of them. I think the best method is to browse for girls within driving distance. Then write up a good paragraph that will be mass email but doesn't sound like mass email and send it out to a bunch of girls. You'll get some replies if you send enough emails. Wait a few days to see if you are getting anywhere with some of them. If not, do it again. The better your profile and your email skills, the better results you will get. Anyway thats what I think.

I do the same thing, I have a generic email I use, but I add something specific about that person so it doesn't sound generic. For instance if their ad says they are a single mom, I might add a sentence saying I understand how tough it is being a single mom.

[Spitfire]

Spit, It's a long time to be in the game. My hat to you. I guess 3 week is definably not enough time to judge. My problem is that I just want to be in and out. I think with the SB you have to really work it such as "spoil" the SB etc.

I got this reply and she just wanted some help with the bills. I don't know if she mean monthly or just one shot. I will keep on looking. I see my chance is very slim.

Everyone has something different that they're looking for in this game. Me, I'm in it to find a long term mistress type deal. The first SB I ever met when I started has become the gold standard for me. She was a college student at a local university, smart, funny, pretty and turned on by the age difference. She always joked that her friends told her she had an old-man fetish. We lasted for nearly a year and a half before she graduated and moved away. We still exchange emails every now and then. That's why I'm still in this game, chasing after that same great experience. But until I do, I'll fill my time with short-termers or one-timers.

[Literal2]

I've been on the SB kick for over 3 years now and it's hard work but when you find a good one for a long-term it makes it worth it. At least to me.

I agree with that, plus while you're searching for the long term good one and getting hassled by no-show flakes you can enjoy the occasional Hooters girl that falls into your lap, like you did last weekend.

[Literal2]

I contend that it is less weird for an older guy to use this method to be with younger women then a much younger man. When you were 30 and had the means to provide the sugar, would you be using the SB site. I don't think so. To me, any 30 year old male who does, is the weirdo. That's not to say there aren't old weirdos, but the 30 year old by definition is weird.

You got that right. I've never had so much pussy in my life but I wouldn't have paid for it when I was 30.

My last no-show (21 year old, looks 15) has now apologized and says she wants to meet. I won't be able to til mid next week at the earliest, which leaves lots of room for shit to happen between now and then..

Good luck.

Lit, I'm curious, what age do you have on your SD profile?

Mid-fifties (I'm really mid-sixties). My photos in my private gallery are real and recent. A lot of girls don't bother to reply to me after they look at them.

[Literal2]

In both cases they came off escort boards. One was from e. Com, the other from avenue-x. I had set up the trips to meet with SB's in their area and I did not want the trips to go to waste (see previous comments on warden restrictions.) I had seen both for a while on their respective boards so I contacted them based on that. It was only in hindsight that I realized the similarities that I noted in my post. I believe the key is that neither toured and only did outcall. No incall means less chance of a production line and leads to my assumption of low volume. It could just be karma paying me back for the bad luck I've had lately with SB's.

Thanks for sharing your information. You may be right about those girls.

[Literal2]

SB1 that flaked on me last week contacted me back asking for another shot, so I gave it to her. As I suspected, she's a semi-pro -- a stripper just moved back to the area after several years out of state, working at a dive club near Ft. Useless and trying to line up 2 or 3 SDs to keep her going. I don't like strippers for SBs as a rule, as they tend to be more trouble than they're worth; she's flakey, drinks way too much, has too much of the sex-trade air about her and I suspect she's going to be either clingy or hard to get with depending on how many other guys she lines up. And while I can't afford to give a girl enough to demand or expect exclusivity, I would much prefer that I'm the only one she's seeing. But I appreciated her honesty, and she has a smokin' bod topped by a quite pretty face, her skills are great, she's responsive and sensitive, and (critical!) she's clean. We met for a chat and brief eats, then went back to her place for a nice hour. I'll see if she can live with my schedule -- I suspect we'll be at crossed paths too much.

Sounds like you have someone to keep you interested until a better one comes along.

[Literal2]

Well, I gave it a try for 3 weeks now and no luck. Only got one bite from Alexandra and she is a little too thick for my type. I read all these reviews here and wonder what it would take to get lucky one time. Most of the SB who replied are from different States and it's too far to travel. What's the deal with that?

When I go online on the sb website I get emails from out of state girls too. I think they are just trolling, hoping to get lucky and find a big spender. Some of them want a little sex chat. I ignore most of them. I think the best method is to browse for girls within driving distance. Then write up a good paragraph that will be mass email but doesn't sound like mass email and send it out to a bunch of girls. You'll get some replies if you send enough emails. Wait a few days to see if you are getting anywhere with some of them. If not, do it again. The better your profile and your email skills, the better results you will get. Anyway thats what I think.

[Coolhand2]

I've been on the SB kick for over 3 years now and it's hard work but when you find a good one for a long-term it makes it worth it. At least to me.

Maybe I should stop complaining.

[Coolhand2]

I've had a few no-show sbs and plenty of cases where girls say, sure, let's meet and then they disappear. In talking to a lot of girls I've met up with from the sb site they all tell me they are absolutely swamped with emails from guys. A young girl with pretty photos can barely keep up with the email traffic. As soon as she gets to the end of her inbox, it fills up again in a matter of hours.

This means (unless your profile shows you are young, rich and handsome) you have to get lucky just to get a conversation going with an sb. It also means that even after a sb has agreed to see you, she is still being bombarded by emails from guys who are your competition. If you have told her the kind of sugar she could get with you, some guy may come along five minutes after she's agreed to see you and offer more. I believe this is one cause of no-shows.

Many of the girls, when they start off as an sb, really believe they are looking to find someone who wants a long term mistress and who will provide them with a serious amount of support. I think the youngest sbs (all over 18 of course) are most likely to believe this. When they realize thats not the direction they are going, they pull back.

Another reason for no-shows is the girls are paranoid about meeting weirdos. If they are young, any guy much older than them is already half way to being a weirdo.

Many girls have had bad experiences with guys who aren't serious and who try to cheat them or abuse them. So they are very nervous about meeting anyone the first time.

So they are constantly evaluating: is this enough money? Is this guy too weird? Am I becoming a prostitute?

Escorts will also refuse to see a guy they think is too weird, but they see lots of guys and may have a higher tolerance. Escorts also state their own price, so if you meet it, price shouldn't be an issue. SB's are more or less running an auction. Unlike escorts, they don't worry about their business reputation.

These aren't the only reasons for the no-shows and all the hassle some guys get from sb's but I think they're some of the reasons.

Just my opinion.

Literal, I agree with everything stated in your post. I realize that someone can come along and offer more. My position is if we've come to a agreement on the amount of sugar, I don't want to get into a bidding war. If they are truly amateurs, I know this can be a big bridge to cross. The fact that they start over the bridge doesn't mean they'll make it all the way.

I contend that it is less weird for an older guy to use this method to be with younger women then a much younger man. When you were 30 and had the means to provide the sugar, would you be using the SB site. I don't think so. To me, any 30 year old male who does, is the weirdo. That's not to say there aren't old weirdos, but the 30 year old by definition is weird.

I'm probably more sensitive to the no-show issue because of my travel situation. Not the 5 hour drive that Spitfire made but at least 2. There are some SB's in my local area but I don't want the risk of running into them at the mall afterward. There's one local one who messages me about every five days but I continue to ignore her. At least I don't make a date and then don't show up.

My last no-show (21 year old, looks 15) has now apologized and says she wants to meet. I won't be able to til mid next week at the earliest, which leaves lots of room for shit to happen between now and then.

Lit, I'm curious, what age do you have on your SD profile?

[Coolhand2]

This is interesting. The only small town sb's I've checked out have been dogs. Way too skinny or way too fat or way too old. Dumb as rocks. Probably I've had bad luck, they can't all be like that. Maybe it's different with small town escorts. If you care to say, Cool, how would you suggest finding these honeys?

I second Literal's request about how to find the small-town escorts. That would be great knowledge to have. PM if you prefer. Thanks!

In both cases they came off escort boards. One was from e. Com, the other from avenue-x. I had set up the trips to meet with SB's in their area and I did not want the trips to go to waste (see previous comments on warden restrictions.) I had seen both for a while on their respective boards so I contacted them based on that. It was only in hindsight that I realized the similarities that I noted in my post. I believe the key is that neither toured and only did outcall. No incall means less chance of a production line and leads to my assumption of low volume. It could just be karma paying me back for the bad luck I've had lately with SB's.

[CantWinLosin]

SB1 that flaked on me last week contacted me back asking for another shot, so I gave it to her. As I suspected, she's a semi-pro -- a stripper just moved back to the area after several years out of state, working at a dive club near Ft. Useless and trying to line up 2 or 3 SDs to keep her going. I don't like strippers for SBs as a rule, as they tend to be more trouble than they're worth; she's flakey, drinks way too much, has too much of the sex-trade air about her and I suspect she's going to be either clingy or hard to get with depending on how many other guys she lines up. And while I can't afford to give a girl enough to demand or expect exclusivity, I would much prefer that I'm the only one she's seeing. But I appreciated her honesty, and she has a smokin' bod topped by a quite pretty face, her skills are great, she's responsive and sensitive, and (critical!) she's clean. We met for a chat and brief eats, then went back to her place for a nice hour. I'll see if she can live with my schedule -- I suspect we'll be at crossed paths too much.