Massage Parlor Reports

[T Long]

Drove by and saw the posting "unfit for occupancy. ".

[Wally1017]

Gents,

Does anyone have a location on Joy / Anna formerly of Bella Touch? I spotted her for a session at Alice Spa last month however she said she was relocating to a place on VanDyke. I haven't been able to locate her so if anyone has the scoop please let me know.

For those that don't know best massage and prostate play around in my humble opinion.

DM info if you'd like. If I find her I'll let the group know.

[JayTwo21]

I haven't visited this time around but according to post #34010 he had to go up to $200 to be considered 🙄.

I debate going here off-and-on, but I am not sure what the massage is, I assume 80 $, and then add-ons?

Too far for me to just randomly drive over to ask, and they never reply to texts.

[LazyLover]

I debate going here off-and-on, but I am not sure what the massage is, I assume 80 $, and then add-ons?

Too far for me to just randomly drive over to ask, and they never reply to texts.

Nope that's it the exact same location. Even their ads say they have no signs or markings on the buildings.

[Simp5050]

I feel like a goddamn broken record on this forum when another bust happens, but for those newbies out there (and maybe some seasoned mongers) it bares repeating; don't FUCKING TALK TO COPS EVER! They are not here to help you, protect you or even give you advice. They are servants of the state and as such are beholden to their laws and will do everything in their power to enforce those laws (because that's how they get paid). Even if you are 100000000% innocent (and let's be honest, if you're on this forum we all know you're not), volunteering information will NEVER help you. It will ALWAYS HARM you. It's why cops legally have to say in your Maranda rights "anything you say and do can and WILL be held AGAINST YOU in a court of law". Does it say anything you say and do can HELP you in a court of law? FUCK NO! Cops are not here to help you, cops are not here to help you, cops are NOT FUCKING HERE TO HELP YOUUUUUU!

Now I can hear some of you saying, "Well Lost, what the fuck do I do when a cop stops me at an AMP? Simple, you say FUCKING NOTHING. Unless they have a warrant that they can produce to you specifically calling for your arrest (or your name is specifically on the arrest warrant), they cannot hold you. Simple as that. Unless they have hidden cameras showing you specifically paying for sex, all they know is that you were in the building at the time of the raid but no proof of anything else besides that. Shit, for all they know you could have been a first time customer and thought the place was legit. But if you need a script to memorize, here you go;.

Step 1: When the cops start talking to you say "why are you talking to / stopping me from leaving"?

Step 2: If the cop asks you (and they will) what you're doing there, you say "I am not discussing my day with you officer" and keep on walking out the door.

Step 3: If the cop tries to stop you from exiting the building or continues to ask you more questions as you try to leave, repeat the line from step 1 or ask "Am I being detained or am I free to go?

IMPORTANT: the cop has to say that you are free to go or else it looks like you are trying to evade an arrest and they will arrest you. Keep on repeating that question until they VERY SPECIFICALLY answer it.

Step 4: If being detained you say "I invoke my 5th amendment rights at this time and will not be answering any more of your questions". Your fifth amendment rights are your way of telling the cops that you will not do or say anything further that could incriminate yourself even if they got you dead to rights.

STEP 4 IS MASSIVELY IMPORTANT. YOU HAVE TO SAY THAT YOU ARE INVOKING THE 5TH! If you don't, cops can and will by law be allowed to question you further to try and force a confession.

Step 5: If you are being detained and you specifically say you are invoking your 5th amendment rights, then this is the part where you SHUT THE FUCK UP!

SERIOUSLY! Shut the fuck up and don't say ANYTHING until you get your attorney present.

If you feel the urge to say anything the only phrase you can say without an attorney present is "I choose to continue to remain silent until my lawyer is present. ".

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

Best to say that you are invoking your fifth and sixth amendment rights and you would like an attorney immediately.

As soon as you ask for an attorney, they cannot question you further. Sometimes invoking your 5th amendment rights can be interpreted as not wanting to answer _one specific question_ rather than as a blanket response to all questioning.

Therefore, tell them that you will only speak to your attorney and they will no longer question you.

[JayTwo21]

Nope that's it the exact same location. Even their ads say they have no signs or markings on the buildings.

Google search brings up a location on 7 Mile just east of Middlebelt. But there is no signs of current or recent activity in that little strip of stores (cupcake store, nail shop, etc). Is this the location? Seems like I remember a location closer to Newburgh previously? Or is this the place and it was closed down in the busy last week?

[SlyGuy12]

I feel like a goddamn broken record on this forum when another bust happens, but for those newbies out there (and maybe some seasoned mongers) it bares repeating; don't FUCKING TALK TO COPS EVER! They are not here to help you, protect you or even give you advice. They are servants of the state and as such are beholden to their laws and will do everything in their power to enforce those laws (because that's how they get paid). Even if you are 100000000% innocent (and let's be honest, if you're on this forum we all know you're not), volunteering information will NEVER help you. It will ALWAYS HARM you. It's why cops legally have to say in your Maranda rights "anything you say and do can and WILL be held AGAINST YOU in a court of law". Does it say anything you say and do can HELP you in a court of law? FUCK NO! Cops are not here to help you, cops are not here to help you, cops are NOT FUCKING HERE TO HELP YOUUUUUU!

Now I can hear some of you saying, "Well Lost, what the fuck do I do when a cop stops me at an AMP? Simple, you say FUCKING NOTHING. Unless they have a warrant that they can produce to you specifically calling for your arrest (or your name is specifically on the arrest warrant), they cannot hold you. Simple as that. Unless they have hidden cameras showing you specifically paying for sex, all they know is that you were in the building at the time of the raid but no proof of anything else besides that. Shit, for all they know you could have been a first time customer and thought the place was legit. But if you need a script to memorize, here you go;.

Step 1: When the cops start talking to you say "why are you talking to / stopping me from leaving"?

Step 2: If the cop asks you (and they will) what you're doing there, you say "I am not discussing my day with you officer" and keep on walking out the door.

Step 3: If the cop tries to stop you from exiting the building or continues to ask you more questions as you try to leave, repeat the line from step 1 or ask "Am I being detained or am I free to go?

IMPORTANT: the cop has to say that you are free to go or else it looks like you are trying to evade an arrest and they will arrest you. Keep on repeating that question until they VERY SPECIFICALLY answer it.

Step 4: If being detained you say "I invoke my 5th amendment rights at this time and will not be answering any more of your questions". Your fifth amendment rights are your way of telling the cops that you will not do or say anything further that could incriminate yourself even if they got you dead to rights.

STEP 4 IS MASSIVELY IMPORTANT. YOU HAVE TO SAY THAT YOU ARE INVOKING THE 5TH! If you don't, cops can and will by law be allowed to question you further to try and force a confession.

Step 5: If you are being detained and you specifically say you are invoking your 5th amendment rights, then this is the part where you SHUT THE FUCK UP!

SERIOUSLY! Shut the fuck up and don't say ANYTHING until you get your attorney present.

If you feel the urge to say anything the only phrase you can say without an attorney present is "I choose to continue to remain silent until my lawyer is present. ".

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

My father was a deputy sheriff and eventually a county sheriff. He gave me and my brothers the same advice. Never speak to them without an attorney.

[HeeJunk]

Google search brings up a location on 7 Mile just east of Middlebelt. But there is no signs of current or recent activity in that little strip of stores (cupcake store, nail shop, etc). Is this the location? Seems like I remember a location closer to Newburgh previously? Or is this the place and it was closed down in the busy last week?

Same location as before, east of middlebelt. No signs. Cross your fingers, wear a fake mustache, ring the doorbell, count to ten and flee if no one opens. About as high risk as you can get for an AMP.

[HugeDk]

Not sure about that last sentence. MP's are all over the place in certain cities. Very few in Detroit for some reason. I think more people are paying attention than you think.

1. Economics.

2. Safety.

Owners want to open parlors where money is good or as close to money areas as possible. And they are also one of the few cash businesses left making them a prime target for snatch and go. Oldest truck in the book is Guy comes in, lady says follow me, when she's a few steps down the hall the guy opens the draw below the counter and grabs the cash.

And sure there are nosey neighbors both business and residents who don't like massage places near them, but for the most part, people go about their own business and care less about their surroundings. You must witness this when you see how people drive? Back to the main point, none of the places that have been busted lately are any part of humane trafficking. That is a term straight out of the me too movement. Does not pertain to 40-60 year old grown ass women.

[Softailrider]

I concur. RWhite again is not a reliable source. There was no mention of Novi actually. The only mention of Livonia is that the owner resides there. I have very very close friends in the MP business. It is well known that all the girls need to say is the boss make me do it and they get off as a "victim" and the owner is hung out to dry. The whole myth about trafficking at Asian MP is truly yo make the government look like the hero for targeting an industry that most people don't even pay attention to.

Not sure about that last sentence. MP's are all over the place in certain cities. Very few in Detroit for some reason. I think more people are paying attention than you think.

[WinterKnight]

Thank you! I appreciate this advice. I know all this, yet it bears reinforcing.

I feel like a goddamn broken record on this forum when another bust happens, but for those newbies out there (and maybe some seasoned mongers) it bares repeating; don't FUCKING TALK TO COPS EVER! They are not here to help you, protect you or even give you advice. They are servants of the state and as such are beholden to their laws and will do everything in their power to enforce those laws (because that's how they get paid). Even if you are 100000000% innocent (and let's be honest, if you're on this forum we all know you're not), volunteering information will NEVER help you. It will ALWAYS HARM you. It's why cops legally have to say in your Maranda rights "anything you say and do can and WILL be held AGAINST YOU in a court of law". Does it say anything you say and do can HELP you in a court of law? FUCK NO! Cops are not here to help you, cops are not here to help you, cops are NOT FUCKING HERE TO HELP YOUUUUUU!

Now I can hear some of you saying, "Well Lost, what the fuck do I do when a cop stops me at an AMP? Simple, you say FUCKING NOTHING. Unless they have a warrant that they can produce to you specifically calling for your arrest (or your name is specifically on the arrest warrant), they cannot hold you. Simple as that. Unless they have hidden cameras showing you specifically paying for sex, all they know is that you were in the building at the time of the raid but no proof of anything else besides that. Shit, for all they know you could have been a first time customer and thought the place was legit. But if you need a script to memorize, here you go;.

Step 1: When the cops start talking to you say "why are you talking to / stopping me from leaving"?

Step 2: If the cop asks you (and they will) what you're doing there, you say "I am not discussing my day with you officer" and keep on walking out the door.

[HugeDk]

Wait a second. 7 Mile spa is back? I thought it got raided a few months ago when they busted 3 or 4 at the same time. Is this at the same location? Different owners? New owners?

Google search brings up a location on 7 Mile just east of Middlebelt. But there is no signs of current or recent activity in that little strip of stores (cupcake store, nail shop, etc). Is this the location? Seems like I remember a location closer to Newburgh previously? Or is this the place and it was closed down in the busy last week?

[LostInDetroit]

Remember, it's NOT a crime to pay money to get a massage / body rub / whatever at any of these places. It's a crime to pay money for sex. The money for sex part is damn hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, unless the girl rats you out or you stupidly admit it. Keep your mouth shut.

I feel like a goddamn broken record on this forum when another bust happens, but for those newbies out there (and maybe some seasoned mongers) it bares repeating; don't FUCKING TALK TO COPS EVER! They are not here to help you, protect you or even give you advice. They are servants of the state and as such are beholden to their laws and will do everything in their power to enforce those laws (because that's how they get paid). Even if you are 100000000% innocent (and let's be honest, if you're on this forum we all know you're not), volunteering information will NEVER help you. It will ALWAYS HARM you. It's why cops legally have to say in your Maranda rights "anything you say and do can and WILL be held AGAINST YOU in a court of law". Does it say anything you say and do can HELP you in a court of law? FUCK NO! Cops are not here to help you, cops are not here to help you, cops are NOT FUCKING HERE TO HELP YOUUUUUU!

Now I can hear some of you saying, "Well Lost, what the fuck do I do when a cop stops me at an AMP? Simple, you say FUCKING NOTHING. Unless they have a warrant that they can produce to you specifically calling for your arrest (or your name is specifically on the arrest warrant), they cannot hold you. Simple as that. Unless they have hidden cameras showing you specifically paying for sex, all they know is that you were in the building at the time of the raid but no proof of anything else besides that. Shit, for all they know you could have been a first time customer and thought the place was legit. But if you need a script to memorize, here you go;.

Step 1: When the cops start talking to you say "why are you talking to / stopping me from leaving"?

Step 2: If the cop asks you (and they will) what you're doing there, you say "I am not discussing my day with you officer" and keep on walking out the door.

Step 3: If the cop tries to stop you from exiting the building or continues to ask you more questions as you try to leave, repeat the line from step 1 or ask "Am I being detained or am I free to go?

IMPORTANT: the cop has to say that you are free to go or else it looks like you are trying to evade an arrest and they will arrest you. Keep on repeating that question until they VERY SPECIFICALLY answer it.

Step 4: If being detained you say "I invoke my 5th amendment rights at this time and will not be answering any more of your questions". Your fifth amendment rights are your way of telling the cops that you will not do or say anything further that could incriminate yourself even if they got you dead to rights.

STEP 4 IS MASSIVELY IMPORTANT. YOU HAVE TO SAY THAT YOU ARE INVOKING THE 5TH! If you don't, cops can and will by law be allowed to question you further to try and force a confession.

Step 5: If you are being detained and you specifically say you are invoking your 5th amendment rights, then this is the part where you SHUT THE FUCK UP!

SERIOUSLY! Shut the fuck up and don't say ANYTHING until you get your attorney present.

If you feel the urge to say anything the only phrase you can say without an attorney present is "I choose to continue to remain silent until my lawyer is present. ".

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

[HungaryMan]

Well. RWhite's report is full of inaccuracies, but I digress. Regardless of age, if the women are having their passports held, not being allowed to keep any money, no access to medical care, and sleeping at the parlor, then that is trafficking. All the recent arrests are owner specific, and contrary to some comments, don't relate to reporting on this site. In fact, the recent arrest relates to 3 parlors rarely ever discussed on this forum.

If that's the case then is it possible that one AMP owner got another AMP owner arrested? Maybe to eliminate the competition?

[HugeDk]

Well. RWhite's report is full of inaccuracies, but I digress. Regardless of age, if the women are having their passports held, not being allowed to keep any money, no access to medical care, and sleeping at the parlor, then that is trafficking. All the recent arrests are owner specific, and contrary to some comments, don't relate to reporting on this site. In fact, the recent arrest relates to 3 parlors rarely ever discussed on this forum.

I concur. RWhite again is not a reliable source. There was no mention of Novi actually. The only mention of Livonia is that the owner resides there. I have very very close friends in the MP business. It is well known that all the girls need to say is the boss make me do it and they get off as a "victim" and the owner is hung out to dry. The whole myth about trafficking at Asian MP is truly yo make the government look like the hero for targeting an industry that most people don't even pay attention to.