Massage Parlor Reports

[HugeDk]

Well. RWhite's report is full of inaccuracies, but I digress. Regardless of age, if the women are having their passports held, not being allowed to keep any money, no access to medical care, and sleeping at the parlor, then that is trafficking. All the recent arrests are owner specific, and contrary to some comments, don't relate to reporting on this site. In fact, the recent arrest relates to 3 parlors rarely ever discussed on this forum.

I concur. RWhite again is not a reliable source. There was no mention of Novi actually. The only mention of Livonia is that the owner resides there. I have very very close friends in the MP business. It is well known that all the girls need to say is the boss make me do it and they get off as a "victim" and the owner is hung out to dry. The whole myth about trafficking at Asian MP is truly yo make the government look like the hero for targeting an industry that most people don't even pay attention to.

[HeeJunk]

Yeah sure. 50+ year old spa workers coming to the USA are sex traffic victims. Reality is they are volentary spa workers.

In Asia, women who come to the USA are asian spa workers wanting to work a few more years since American men are polite, pay, and rarely say "too old" and leave.

The woman in the report is caught up in her traffic fantasy. The spas are 99% or more victimless "crimes. " I bet there are close to zero real underage or even over 18 traffic victims.

Well. RWhite's report is full of inaccuracies, but I digress. Regardless of age, if the women are having their passports held, not being allowed to keep any money, no access to medical care, and sleeping at the parlor, then that is trafficking. All the recent arrests are owner specific, and contrary to some comments, don't relate to reporting on this site. In fact, the recent arrest relates to 3 parlors rarely ever discussed on this forum.

[Lansing101]

https://www.wxyz.com/news/region/oak...afficking-case

I watched the press conference in it's entirety it's 20 minutes long they won't mention parlor names just locations. Highland Twp, Commerce, Southfield, Farmington Hills, Livonia and Novi. All locations are tied to Zixuan Wan she's in her 40's. Halfway during the interview Karen McDonald said she is attempting to bring charges on those that frequented these establishments through their own surveillance plus camera's located within the establishments because "women being sex trafficked cannot consent" according to Karen McDonald.

Ya'll stay safe out here.

Yeah sure. 50+ year old spa workers coming to the USA are sex traffic victims. Reality is they are volentary spa workers.

In Asia, women who come to the USA are asian spa workers wanting to work a few more years since American men are polite, pay, and rarely say "too old" and leave.

The woman in the report is caught up in her traffic fantasy. The spas are 99% or more victimless "crimes. " I bet there are close to zero real underage or even over 18 traffic victims.

[Amauer1313]

I was at the place at John are and Auburn this week and did not notice any unusual cars or anybody sitting in a car. It was business as usual, 60 for a half hour with a 40 tip gets you a weak massage and a decent handshake at the end. They don't ask for a tip, but expect it at the end, which I like. Some of the women allow UTC roaming, this one did not. Some will pull them out for an extra tip. She (didn't get her name) gave a pretty good tease while laying face down. The women are older and not great looking, but get the job done and it's convenient for me. Never got anything more than a handshake and I've tried. One of the few places that take credit cards, for those who choose to leave a paper trail although I don't recommend that though.

If I was closer to Natasha, I'd see her much rather see her for the same donation.

Stay Safe and Happy Hunting.

AM.

[SandersNut]

An interesting take. I'm pretty sure they are not FS.

There was always a lookout at am spa in sterling heights. Every time I drove by there, also at a particular spa in Novi as well as commerce.

Just my observation. Happy hunting Mongers.

Be safe out there.

SN.

[TeeTime69]

No one has said it is / was FS. The gal I saw was 46-49 year old.

That place was never FS. The ladies there are in their 60's and only do typical shakes. And yeah, there are plenty of creepy people.

[UtRockets]

Yes, she sets the appointment at Oasis and you are responsible for paying for the Spa time and then Jen's normal rate goes to her also.

So does she have a hot tub? It are you setting the appt at a place like oasis?

[EvanAdamson]

I've only gone a few times in the last two years. The main reason, It's the only place where I've been shorted on time.

I was there recently and noticed a person in a small silver Ford. He had backed into a space so he could watch the front door of Oriental Massage. It was a 53 degree day, and he had on a black hood type full ski mask. My guess it's a resident of a nearby house. The small strip mall faces an open field with homes on the street adjacent. A year earlier, there was a man in a black Tahoe, also parked in this manner, using a phone to video those coming and going. No mask.

Anyone else see this Amateur type surveillance?

That place was never FS. The ladies there are in their 60's and only do typical shakes. And yeah, there are plenty of creepy people.

[Fitzie00]

I'm not sure how that's going to work. I'm sure most people go into a massage establishment just to get a massage. McDonald can't invent a different motive for them to go there or assume there's any intent otherwise.

Remember, it's NOT a crime to pay money to get a massage / body rub / whatever at any of these places. It's a crime to pay money for sex. The money for sex part is damn hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, unless the girl rats you out or you stupidly admit it. Keep your mouth shut.

[JonMels]

https://www.wxyz.com/news/region/oak...afficking-case

I watched the press conference in it's entirety it's 20 minutes long they won't mention parlor names just locations. Highland Twp, Commerce, Southfield, Farmington Hills, Livonia and Novi. All locations are tied to Zixuan Wan she's in her 40's. Halfway during the interview Karen McDonald said she is attempting to bring charges on those that frequented these establishments through their own surveillance plus camera's located within the establishments because "women being sex trafficked cannot consent" according to Karen McDonald.

Ya'll stay safe out here.

I'm not sure how that's going to work. I'm sure most people go into a massage establishment just to get a massage. McDonald can't invent a different motive for them to go there or assume there's any intent otherwise.

[JamieGreek2019]

Stopped by there a year or so ago and saw a black SUV parked in that field also. Couldn't tell if it was occupied or not. Probably nothing but elected to leave and haven't returned.

Stay safe,

J.

I've only gone a few times in the last two years. The main reason, It's the only place where I've been shorted on time.

I was there recently and noticed a person in a small silver Ford. He had backed into a space so he could watch the front door of Oriental Massage. It was a 53 degree day, and he had on a black hood type full ski mask. My guess it's a resident of a nearby house. The small strip mall faces an open field with homes on the street adjacent. A year earlier, there was a man in a black Tahoe, also parked in this manner, using a phone to video those coming and going. No mask.

Anyone else see this Amateur type surveillance?

[TeeTime69]

An interesting take. I'm pretty sure they are not FS.

I've seen lookouts at many FS AMPs that keep an eye out for LE. Usually parked in parking lot.

[SandersNut]

I've only gone a few times in the last two years. The main reason, It's the only place where I've been shorted on time.

I was there recently and noticed a person in a small silver Ford. He had backed into a space so he could watch the front door of Oriental Massage. It was a 53 degree day, and he had on a black hood type full ski mask. My guess it's a resident of a nearby house. The small strip mall faces an open field with homes on the street adjacent. A year earlier, there was a man in a black Tahoe, also parked in this manner, using a phone to video those coming and going. No mask.

Anyone else see this Amateur type surveillance?

I've seen lookouts at many FS AMPs that keep an eye out for LE. Usually parked in parking lot.

[TeeTime69]

I've only gone a few times in the last two years. The main reason, It's the only place where I've been shorted on time.

I was there recently and noticed a person in a small silver Ford. He had backed into a space so he could watch the front door of Oriental Massage. It was a 53 degree day, and he had on a black hood type full ski mask. My guess it's a resident of a nearby house. The small strip mall faces an open field with homes on the street adjacent. A year earlier, there was a man in a black Tahoe, also parked in this manner, using a phone to video those coming and going. No mask.

Anyone else see this Amateur type surveillance?

[Sanctimonious6]

Yes I do. The forum was never more conspicuous.

Looks like the OP's post was deleted, but my suggestion to him is to look up fancy words like "curate" and "conspicuous" before using them in public. And also understand the LEO does not need to rely on this forum to figure out where the AMPs are and which ones are getting a lot of traffic.