Massage Parlor Reports

[HugeDk]

Not sure about that last sentence. MP's are all over the place in certain cities. Very few in Detroit for some reason. I think more people are paying attention than you think.

1. Economics.

2. Safety.

Owners want to open parlors where money is good or as close to money areas as possible. And they are also one of the few cash businesses left making them a prime target for snatch and go. Oldest truck in the book is Guy comes in, lady says follow me, when she's a few steps down the hall the guy opens the draw below the counter and grabs the cash.

And sure there are nosey neighbors both business and residents who don't like massage places near them, but for the most part, people go about their own business and care less about their surroundings. You must witness this when you see how people drive? Back to the main point, none of the places that have been busted lately are any part of humane trafficking. That is a term straight out of the me too movement. Does not pertain to 40-60 year old grown ass women.

[Softailrider]

I concur. RWhite again is not a reliable source. There was no mention of Novi actually. The only mention of Livonia is that the owner resides there. I have very very close friends in the MP business. It is well known that all the girls need to say is the boss make me do it and they get off as a "victim" and the owner is hung out to dry. The whole myth about trafficking at Asian MP is truly yo make the government look like the hero for targeting an industry that most people don't even pay attention to.

Not sure about that last sentence. MP's are all over the place in certain cities. Very few in Detroit for some reason. I think more people are paying attention than you think.

[WinterKnight]

Thank you! I appreciate this advice. I know all this, yet it bears reinforcing.

I feel like a goddamn broken record on this forum when another bust happens, but for those newbies out there (and maybe some seasoned mongers) it bares repeating; don't FUCKING TALK TO COPS EVER! They are not here to help you, protect you or even give you advice. They are servants of the state and as such are beholden to their laws and will do everything in their power to enforce those laws (because that's how they get paid). Even if you are 100000000% innocent (and let's be honest, if you're on this forum we all know you're not), volunteering information will NEVER help you. It will ALWAYS HARM you. It's why cops legally have to say in your Maranda rights "anything you say and do can and WILL be held AGAINST YOU in a court of law". Does it say anything you say and do can HELP you in a court of law? FUCK NO! Cops are not here to help you, cops are not here to help you, cops are NOT FUCKING HERE TO HELP YOUUUUUU!

Now I can hear some of you saying, "Well Lost, what the fuck do I do when a cop stops me at an AMP? Simple, you say FUCKING NOTHING. Unless they have a warrant that they can produce to you specifically calling for your arrest (or your name is specifically on the arrest warrant), they cannot hold you. Simple as that. Unless they have hidden cameras showing you specifically paying for sex, all they know is that you were in the building at the time of the raid but no proof of anything else besides that. Shit, for all they know you could have been a first time customer and thought the place was legit. But if you need a script to memorize, here you go;.

Step 1: When the cops start talking to you say "why are you talking to / stopping me from leaving"?

Step 2: If the cop asks you (and they will) what you're doing there, you say "I am not discussing my day with you officer" and keep on walking out the door.

[HugeDk]

Wait a second. 7 Mile spa is back? I thought it got raided a few months ago when they busted 3 or 4 at the same time. Is this at the same location? Different owners? New owners?

Google search brings up a location on 7 Mile just east of Middlebelt. But there is no signs of current or recent activity in that little strip of stores (cupcake store, nail shop, etc). Is this the location? Seems like I remember a location closer to Newburgh previously? Or is this the place and it was closed down in the busy last week?

[LostInDetroit]

Remember, it's NOT a crime to pay money to get a massage / body rub / whatever at any of these places. It's a crime to pay money for sex. The money for sex part is damn hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, unless the girl rats you out or you stupidly admit it. Keep your mouth shut.

I feel like a goddamn broken record on this forum when another bust happens, but for those newbies out there (and maybe some seasoned mongers) it bares repeating; don't FUCKING TALK TO COPS EVER! They are not here to help you, protect you or even give you advice. They are servants of the state and as such are beholden to their laws and will do everything in their power to enforce those laws (because that's how they get paid). Even if you are 100000000% innocent (and let's be honest, if you're on this forum we all know you're not), volunteering information will NEVER help you. It will ALWAYS HARM you. It's why cops legally have to say in your Maranda rights "anything you say and do can and WILL be held AGAINST YOU in a court of law". Does it say anything you say and do can HELP you in a court of law? FUCK NO! Cops are not here to help you, cops are not here to help you, cops are NOT FUCKING HERE TO HELP YOUUUUUU!

Now I can hear some of you saying, "Well Lost, what the fuck do I do when a cop stops me at an AMP? Simple, you say FUCKING NOTHING. Unless they have a warrant that they can produce to you specifically calling for your arrest (or your name is specifically on the arrest warrant), they cannot hold you. Simple as that. Unless they have hidden cameras showing you specifically paying for sex, all they know is that you were in the building at the time of the raid but no proof of anything else besides that. Shit, for all they know you could have been a first time customer and thought the place was legit. But if you need a script to memorize, here you go;.

Step 1: When the cops start talking to you say "why are you talking to / stopping me from leaving"?

Step 2: If the cop asks you (and they will) what you're doing there, you say "I am not discussing my day with you officer" and keep on walking out the door.

Step 3: If the cop tries to stop you from exiting the building or continues to ask you more questions as you try to leave, repeat the line from step 1 or ask "Am I being detained or am I free to go?

IMPORTANT: the cop has to say that you are free to go or else it looks like you are trying to evade an arrest and they will arrest you. Keep on repeating that question until they VERY SPECIFICALLY answer it.

Step 4: If being detained you say "I invoke my 5th amendment rights at this time and will not be answering any more of your questions". Your fifth amendment rights are your way of telling the cops that you will not do or say anything further that could incriminate yourself even if they got you dead to rights.

STEP 4 IS MASSIVELY IMPORTANT. YOU HAVE TO SAY THAT YOU ARE INVOKING THE 5TH! If you don't, cops can and will by law be allowed to question you further to try and force a confession.

Step 5: If you are being detained and you specifically say you are invoking your 5th amendment rights, then this is the part where you SHUT THE FUCK UP!

SERIOUSLY! Shut the fuck up and don't say ANYTHING until you get your attorney present.

If you feel the urge to say anything the only phrase you can say without an attorney present is "I choose to continue to remain silent until my lawyer is present. ".

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

[HungaryMan]

Well. RWhite's report is full of inaccuracies, but I digress. Regardless of age, if the women are having their passports held, not being allowed to keep any money, no access to medical care, and sleeping at the parlor, then that is trafficking. All the recent arrests are owner specific, and contrary to some comments, don't relate to reporting on this site. In fact, the recent arrest relates to 3 parlors rarely ever discussed on this forum.

If that's the case then is it possible that one AMP owner got another AMP owner arrested? Maybe to eliminate the competition?

[HugeDk]

Well. RWhite's report is full of inaccuracies, but I digress. Regardless of age, if the women are having their passports held, not being allowed to keep any money, no access to medical care, and sleeping at the parlor, then that is trafficking. All the recent arrests are owner specific, and contrary to some comments, don't relate to reporting on this site. In fact, the recent arrest relates to 3 parlors rarely ever discussed on this forum.

I concur. RWhite again is not a reliable source. There was no mention of Novi actually. The only mention of Livonia is that the owner resides there. I have very very close friends in the MP business. It is well known that all the girls need to say is the boss make me do it and they get off as a "victim" and the owner is hung out to dry. The whole myth about trafficking at Asian MP is truly yo make the government look like the hero for targeting an industry that most people don't even pay attention to.

[HeeJunk]

Yeah sure. 50+ year old spa workers coming to the USA are sex traffic victims. Reality is they are volentary spa workers.

In Asia, women who come to the USA are asian spa workers wanting to work a few more years since American men are polite, pay, and rarely say "too old" and leave.

The woman in the report is caught up in her traffic fantasy. The spas are 99% or more victimless "crimes. " I bet there are close to zero real underage or even over 18 traffic victims.

Well. RWhite's report is full of inaccuracies, but I digress. Regardless of age, if the women are having their passports held, not being allowed to keep any money, no access to medical care, and sleeping at the parlor, then that is trafficking. All the recent arrests are owner specific, and contrary to some comments, don't relate to reporting on this site. In fact, the recent arrest relates to 3 parlors rarely ever discussed on this forum.

[Lansing101]

https://www.wxyz.com/news/region/oak...afficking-case

I watched the press conference in it's entirety it's 20 minutes long they won't mention parlor names just locations. Highland Twp, Commerce, Southfield, Farmington Hills, Livonia and Novi. All locations are tied to Zixuan Wan she's in her 40's. Halfway during the interview Karen McDonald said she is attempting to bring charges on those that frequented these establishments through their own surveillance plus camera's located within the establishments because "women being sex trafficked cannot consent" according to Karen McDonald.

Ya'll stay safe out here.

Yeah sure. 50+ year old spa workers coming to the USA are sex traffic victims. Reality is they are volentary spa workers.

In Asia, women who come to the USA are asian spa workers wanting to work a few more years since American men are polite, pay, and rarely say "too old" and leave.

The woman in the report is caught up in her traffic fantasy. The spas are 99% or more victimless "crimes. " I bet there are close to zero real underage or even over 18 traffic victims.

[Amauer1313]

I was at the place at John are and Auburn this week and did not notice any unusual cars or anybody sitting in a car. It was business as usual, 60 for a half hour with a 40 tip gets you a weak massage and a decent handshake at the end. They don't ask for a tip, but expect it at the end, which I like. Some of the women allow UTC roaming, this one did not. Some will pull them out for an extra tip. She (didn't get her name) gave a pretty good tease while laying face down. The women are older and not great looking, but get the job done and it's convenient for me. Never got anything more than a handshake and I've tried. One of the few places that take credit cards, for those who choose to leave a paper trail although I don't recommend that though.

If I was closer to Natasha, I'd see her much rather see her for the same donation.

Stay Safe and Happy Hunting.

AM.

[SandersNut]

An interesting take. I'm pretty sure they are not FS.

There was always a lookout at am spa in sterling heights. Every time I drove by there, also at a particular spa in Novi as well as commerce.

Just my observation. Happy hunting Mongers.

Be safe out there.

SN.

[TeeTime69]

No one has said it is / was FS. The gal I saw was 46-49 year old.

That place was never FS. The ladies there are in their 60's and only do typical shakes. And yeah, there are plenty of creepy people.

[UtRockets]

Yes, she sets the appointment at Oasis and you are responsible for paying for the Spa time and then Jen's normal rate goes to her also.

So does she have a hot tub? It are you setting the appt at a place like oasis?

[EvanAdamson]

I've only gone a few times in the last two years. The main reason, It's the only place where I've been shorted on time.

I was there recently and noticed a person in a small silver Ford. He had backed into a space so he could watch the front door of Oriental Massage. It was a 53 degree day, and he had on a black hood type full ski mask. My guess it's a resident of a nearby house. The small strip mall faces an open field with homes on the street adjacent. A year earlier, there was a man in a black Tahoe, also parked in this manner, using a phone to video those coming and going. No mask.

Anyone else see this Amateur type surveillance?

That place was never FS. The ladies there are in their 60's and only do typical shakes. And yeah, there are plenty of creepy people.

[Fitzie00]

I'm not sure how that's going to work. I'm sure most people go into a massage establishment just to get a massage. McDonald can't invent a different motive for them to go there or assume there's any intent otherwise.

Remember, it's NOT a crime to pay money to get a massage / body rub / whatever at any of these places. It's a crime to pay money for sex. The money for sex part is damn hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, unless the girl rats you out or you stupidly admit it. Keep your mouth shut.