What I learned as a Monger for the past 2 years. Good read for Newbies

[Illinois Guy 7]

I think it's healthy to first come to terms with the realization that this is an addiction. And just like any other addiction, people say you quit when you hit rock bottom. I really don't hope that happens for you as that could go really really bad, but it should at least trigger some thoughts within yourself to ask yourself. What would need to happen for you to finally quit, keep that in mind and if that thing ever happens that hopefully isn't a rock bottom event then that's your queue to remember that self-conversation and quit. If you don't you'll always move the goal posts and never quit until you are absolutely forced out of it by some really bad event.

Update on me. I remember seeing Macie every week a couple years ago and decided to quit as I felt I was rolling the dice because she was sharing all holes without a cover. Despite her inability to really "act," she was doing it for me with a smoking hot body. I had replaced her with the one I call Salma Hayek, an indy girl similar in age and build as the real Salma, but probably much better in bed. (I would love an actual comparison.) Salma indulged my huge tits urges and wasn't as athletic as Macie, but tried really hard to keep me coming back, offered excellent pussy play and DFK and didn't offer ALL the extras that Macie gave, but I wasn't really into those extras. Salma went so far as to do bare with me on a regular basis. I was also going to Korean Palace to enjoy the variety and the great GFE experiences. That's when I reported on here that I am an addict and will probably stop going to KP and stick with Salma.

No, I went a different direction. I quit Salma for the same reason I quit Macie. If she's bare with me, she is probably bare with others to keep them coming back. But I still see the ladies at KP. I am getting old and ready to retire and I want to quit that too. But like an addict, I ask for one more round of fun, one more year, one more lady, at least one more time. I am not fooling myself about the addiction, but I have avoided the "rock bottom" situations so far. So here's my new plan to taper off. I am exclusive to KP now. And over time, the favorites stop coming and new ladies start coming. So to end my addiction, I decided that I am sticking with repeats and no new ladies. (I say that after just seeing the latest new lady at KP, so Sweet Purple was the last one.) Cold turkey sounds nice but I feel I am not ready for that. I might fail and go back to Salma or even Macie if I try to quit KP also. So I will visit with the same ladies I have already seen. If I don't quit soon, they will stop coming around. (Yes, I can hear the addict in me making this grand promise, but I have to try something. I really like this "hobby" and want a bit more time.) I know it's not a great plan, but it's mine.

[Ron M]

Thanks for the wisdom Ron and welcoming of me a newb. I definitely need to work my up to wilder things. Not at that GB level yet.

PM sent.

If you're still interested let me know.

[ChicagoBred33]

I think your right, I'm just trying to give someone else the enlightenment I got. Many people did reach out to me and I felt like I genuinely gave them good advice. Everyone has their own patch to walk, but it doesn't hurt to listen to someone who's already been down that path.

Look when I started this thread if you look on Post 1, I wasn't trying to quit. I was sharing what I genuinely learned doing this and thought I'd save someone the time. It was only after a few moments of clarity and me telling myself the truth that I started to see things differently. I wondered if others felt the same and just wanted to share my thoughts in hopes it would help others.

I wish you all the best, I really do, I hope you keep doing this without getting burned and you all just keep smiling and having a great time. Just know if things go south, don't say I didn't warn you. Take care.

I appreciate your insight, I think there can always be positives found in listening to someone's experiences in a shared hobby like this. That being said, if you think the STD risk in the hobby is significantly worse than civie life, you must not be dating there either. The majority of women I know who had or are stuck with STDs are civies who work regular jobs. In general, I would trust a high end escort much more than I would trust a random girl off tinder.

I hope quitting gave you peace of mind and you are able to find what you are looking for, but constantly coming back to this board is like a cigarette smoker claiming to quit and then just picking up chaw or vaping. I don't know you but your posts at this point come off as condescending and somewhat back-handing with a glint below the surface that you are hoping people get burned so you can clamber back in here saying "I told you so. " You post exactly like someone who fell in love with a working girl and got spurned would post, and if that's the case I'm sorry.

Goodluck in your journey and finding what you want in life.

[TJGeek]

Totally agree with you, he posts the same tired "warnings." Wish he would just stay gone as HE promised.

Sorry, not buying it. You no longer monger because the scene sucks.

In the spirit of this forum, and in this Thread / Blog specifically, I don't see the point of criticizing AngelBravo, or anyone else, who is offering advice or an alternative point of view, aiming to keep other guys safe. Nothing that AngelBravo says is negative or mean-spirited, just thoughtful considerations.

[TallDarkNotHandsome93]

You don't have to buy it, I'm not selling anything, just sharing my thoughts. For the record, the scene always sucked, you are buying a fantasy and it's all fake. If you think your paying for anything else then yes it sucks, but once you realize what it is your getting and what you want only then will you be able to truly resolve the Mongering itch.

I hear a lot of bitching about the scene. It's really not that bad compared to other areas throughout the US LOL.

[AngelBravo]

Totally agree with you, he posts the same tired "warnings." Wish he would just stay gone as HE promised.

I think your right, I'm just trying to give someone else the enlightenment I got. Many people did reach out to me and I felt like I genuinely gave them good advice. Everyone has their own patch to walk, but it doesn't hurt to listen to someone who's already been down that path.

Look when I started this thread if you look on Post 1, I wasn't trying to quit. I was sharing what I genuinely learned doing this and thought I'd save someone the time. It was only after a few moments of clarity and me telling myself the truth that I started to see things differently. I wondered if others felt the same and just wanted to share my thoughts in hopes it would help others.

I wish you all the best, I really do, I hope you keep doing this without getting burned and you all just keep smiling and having a great time. Just know if things go south, don't say I didn't warn you. Take care.

[Tela1980]

Sorry, not buying it. You no longer monger because the scene sucks.

Totally agree with you, he posts the same tired "warnings." Wish he would just stay gone as HE promised.

[AngelBravo]

Sorry, not buying it. You no longer monger because the scene sucks.

You don't have to buy it, I'm not selling anything, just sharing my thoughts. For the record, the scene always sucked, you are buying a fantasy and it's all fake. If you think your paying for anything else then yes it sucks, but once you realize what it is your getting and what you want only then will you be able to truly resolve the Mongering itch.

[Riina]

I started this thread because in the process of going through mongering I realized that while I was getting what I thought where amazing experiences they came with a hidden cost. The first is your health, you are putting yourself at serious health risk and it's all fine and dandy until you get some serious incurable disease.

Sorry, not buying it. You no longer monger because the scene sucks.

[AngelBravo]

I think it's healthy to first come to terms with the realization that this is an addiction. And just like any other addiction, people say you quit when you hit rock bottom. I really don't hope that happens for you as that could go really really bad, but it should atleast trigger some thoughts within yourself to ask yourself. What would need to happen for you to finally quit, keep that in mind and if that thing ever happens that hopefully isn't a rock bottom event then that's your queue to remember that self-conversation and quit. If you don't you'll always move the goal posts and never quit until you are absolutely forced out of it by some really bad event.

Thanks for so much to think about. I do know that self-justification reasoning on my part is evidence of addiction. I also feel that getting away from agencies and high volume escorts will minimize my risks to a point I feel willing to take.

As far as my SO is concerned, only I can truly know what that relationship means to me, although you hit on the truth of what it means to her. I promised much to her, and if I were a financial genius or felt she could make it without my help, I would be gone. I am not the person I was when we met, but she pretty much is the same person. But what that means is that I woke up to some realities and she got left behind in a fantasy world filled with the lies of a dangerous spiritual life. Cannot say more on that.

And if I am being honest with myself, I would still like to end those slight risks now, but I feel like an addict asking for a little more time, a few more fixes. I hope my end game will work for me. I will force myself to quit, but tomorrow and not today, next week and not this one, a couple months, years from now. Yeah, I hear the addiction in that.

[Illinois Guy 7]

.... The other hidden costs besides financially is your mental health. It's no doubt that if you have a significant other knowing you are now a cheater and are living a double life isn't good long term. You aren't being honest with your significant other and yourself. And while yes, in your story the wife is a dead fish in bed, you can't deny that your with her because she offer so much other joy in your life that you love being around. People aren't perfect, and while you say you are trying to improve the situation by giving her advice, the truth is you aren't improving the situation by having sex with partners outside of marriage and possibly bringing that home to her. It's a risk she's taking without her knowledge because she trusts and loves you and you are sacrificing that even if you never get caught.


In your mind, you know what this marriage means to you and that alone will eventually decay your heart and love for her. Other hidden costs are changing you sexual appetite to an unrealistic goals. You know that constantly banging 20 year olds in your 40's, 50's 60's and even possibly 70's is just not sustainable. You risk losing your stable married life for it, and worst case scenario you end up giving your wife and yourself a serious disease and your follow poor health changes everything you've been loving about your life.

Thanks for so much to think about. I do know that self-justification reasoning on my part is evidence of addiction. I also feel that getting away from agencies and high volume escorts will minimize my risks to a point I feel willing to take.

As far as my SO is concerned, only I can truly know what that relationship means to me, although you hit on the truth of what it means to her. I promised much to her, and if I were a financial genius or felt she could make it without my help, I would be gone. I am not the person I was when we met, but she pretty much is the same person. But what that means is that I woke up to some realities and she got left behind in a fantasy world filled with the lies of a dangerous spiritual life. Cannot say more on that.

And if I am being honest with myself, I would still like to end those slight risks now, but I feel like an addict asking for a little more time, a few more fixes. I hope my end game will work for me. I will force myself to quit, but tomorrow and not today, next week and not this one, a couple months, years from now. Yeah, I hear the addiction in that.

[AngelBravo]

I think we can understand your point of view and I personally understand how these experiences can be so alluring and desirable. I started this thread because in the process of going through mongering I realized that while I was getting what I thought where amazing experiences they came with a hidden cost. The first is your health, you are putting yourself at serious health risk and it's all fine and dandy until you get some serious incurable disease.

Shortening your life is definitely robbing you out of the best experience which is life and you need to think about that as you make the gamble every time. The other hidden costs besides financially is your mental health. It's no doubt that if you have a significant other knowing you are now a cheater and are living a double life isn't good long term. You aren't being honest with your significant other and yourself. And while yes, in your story the wife is a dead fish in bed, you can't deny that your with her because she offer so much other joy in your life that you love being around. People aren't perfect, and while you say you are trying to improve the situation by giving her advice, the truth is you aren't improving the situation by having sex with partners outside of marriage and possibly bringing that home to her. It's a risk she's taking without her knowledge because she trusts and loves you and you are sacrificing that even if you never get caught.

In your mind, you know what this marriage means to you and that alone will eventually decay your heart and love for her. Other hidden costs are changing you sexual appetite to an unrealistic goals. You know that constantly banging 20 year olds in your 40's, 50's 60's and even possibly 70's is just not sustainable. You risk losing your stable married life for it, and worst case scenario you end up giving your wife and yourself a serious disease and your follow poor health changes everything you've been loving about your life.

BTW I appreciate you sharing your story, please don't take this as I'm bashing on you, I was guilty and am a recovering addict myself of this exact same thing. I think however I saw what I was risking, and saw that eventually my luck would run out and I was simply gambling away my life on every encounter. I had to decide, what I really wanted more, what was more important to me and that's what made me quit.

I had a scare once when I noticed something on my penis, I felt lucky knowing it was simply a minor injury from rubbing one out; but that feeling that I had finally fucked up, that it had caught up with me felt real. I realized in that moment even if it wasn't the case what I really wanted and loved and like a gift, when it healed. I got tested 3 months later and was negative in everything I felt like I was given a second chance at my life and use that memory as a glimpse into what it could be like.

I now feel compelled to share my story as I know many other men could be having the same addiction as I had, and hence this is why I started this thread. It's a safe place for us to share our thoughts and feelings, some men want to quit but don't know how and others simply don't know what they are risking until it's too late. Similar to driving real fast in an exotic car, it's amazing, beautiful and exciting until it ends your life. RIP Paul Walker.

So many are wanting to share their complete story. I get it. My best friend and confidante passed away a few years ago and I do not share my "hobby" with coworkers, relatives, other friends. I guess deep down I am ashamed that I partake so much. I have shared here before so will update y'all. If nobody reads it, it's okay. I still feel the need to purge these thoughts.

So I have run through various avenues of service. I don't care for the AMP adventures. Korean Palace has been my go-to for the last 2 years. But I returned to a former agency lady who became an independent lady I have previously referred to as my "Salma Hayek" in both body and facial looks and she's younger than Salma, but not by all that much. Because she keeps a lower volume than many others, and because I pay the same directly that I did thru the agency, my Salma wants to keep me and has become a great GFE provider- DFK the whole time, BBBJ, DATY, and bare FS. She knows that I love really big tits and she indulges my need for titty-face and otherwise worshipping her body. I have only kept up with Korean Palace because of the addiction to seeing different young hotties who also kiss and provide most of those same services, but really- I should give them up. The problem is very simple- I have had some of the greatest sex with the hottest women. So what if it hurts my savings? If savings are not for such a wonderful thing, then really what good are they? I guarantee my Salma is better at sex than the actual Salma. And those young hotties from KP- OMFG, they get the spinners with fake boobs and some of the tiniest waists. They kiss like teenagers with their hormones running wild. At my age, I sometimes have a hard time finishing, so I can last most of the hour if she follows my requests to start out slow, and these gals generally do that well. So my "problem" becomes a wonderful thing because Salma or these KP hotties want me to leave happy and they find a way to finish me off.

But is this "normal" ? Why am I ashamed of what I do? Well, probably because I have a significant other, a dead fish who is more than willing to be a cum bucket as often as I like because I do give her the O when we do it. She would not forgive me at all for what I do, but I have tried and tried to put a fire into our nights, and have only succeeded occasionally to get the dead fish into a lively mode. Meanwhile, I can go this week and see a smoking hot lady who will ride me until I am sore or be ridden for an hour of pounding and make me feel like I did her a huge sexual favor by using my skills on her. Fake fantasy or not, that is an awesome thing.

The last time I said I was going to give up KP, a bunch of you messaged me and asked me to allow you to use my membership. No way. I did not actually quit KP and it would be a logistical nightmare to give my info to someone else. I don't even use a burner phone. I am going to try to cut way back on KP and mostly just see Salma. I won't entirely give it up but might cut back so much that "Mike" will eventually drop me. I will see Salma until I retire and move away or until she leaves the business. Her personal life is such a mess that I doubt she quits before I do. I retire soon and plan to move to such a small "tropical" community that I won't be able to continue in this hobby. Everyone will know everyone and talk would get around. But I will have the greatest memories of some of the hottest women on this planet. If it takes you back any, I might have gotten out of this hobby before getting in too deep until I discovered touringgirlsDOTcom, South American hotties. Tessa was about the literal hottest GFE a man could handle. I was actually okay that they went away and saved me from over-indulging. I saw Macie for awhile and she was great, but no passion in her game. But KP took their place and then Salma, I met thru an agency during COVID and she didn't kiss back then. I just came back for the magnificent body and huge naturalistic DD's. When she went indy and recruited me, she became more passionate and I actually can escape into believing she would run away with me if I won the lottery- I bet she would. And sorry guys, she won't let me share her info. She recruits her own way. She prefers men with their own problems and something to lose because so many guys have obsessed over her, put airtags on her car, showed up at her incall when they were drunk and wanted to profess their lust / love for her. I get it, we play like we are lovers, but she knows I go home and turn it off.

Anyway, I think I wanted to share what I can't tell the people around me, but I also wanted to say- FIND A WAY TO END THIS GAME. I know I will quit in a couple / few years and it will be okay to live with the memories.

[SmileySam]

Korean Palace is $360 a pop. That can quickly add up. Maybe gambling & drug addictions are more expensive? I used to frequent the Chinese spas justifying I was getting a good massage. In reality those MTs messed up my back rather than helping it. I would never let one of those girls walk on my back again. If I want sex then just go for that. I think you just have to find contentment where you are at. Trying to fill a hole with any addiction sex, drugs, gambling etc isn't going to work.

[DMichaels69]

I would think the guy who runs the place is not that stupid to allow for this. But not surprisingly all the trolls came knocking on your door.

So many are wanting to share their complete story. I get it. My best friend and confidante passed away a few years ago and I do not share my "hobby" with coworkers, relatives, other friends. I guess deep down I am ashamed that I partake so much. I have shared here before so will update y'all. If nobody reads it, it's okay. I still feel the need to purge these thoughts.

So I have run through various avenues of service. I don't care for the AMP adventures. Korean Palace has been my go-to for the last 2 years. But I returned to a former agency lady who became an independent lady I have previously referred to as my "Salma Hayek" in both body and facial looks and she's younger than Salma, but not by all that much. Because she keeps a lower volume than many others, and because I pay the same directly that I did thru the agency, my Salma wants to keep me and has become a great GFE provider- DFK the whole time, BBBJ, DATY, and bare FS. She knows that I love really big tits and she indulges my need for titty-face and otherwise worshipping her body. I have only kept up with Korean Palace because of the addiction to seeing different young hotties who also kiss and provide most of those same services, but really- I should give them up. The problem is very simple- I have had some of the greatest sex with the hottest women. So what if it hurts my savings? If savings are not for such a wonderful thing, then really what good are they? I guarantee my Salma is better at sex than the actual Salma. And those young hotties from KP- OMFG, they get the spinners with fake boobs and some of the tiniest waists. They kiss like teenagers with their hormones running wild. At my age, I sometimes have a hard time finishing, so I can last most of the hour if she follows my requests to start out slow, and these gals generally do that well. So my "problem" becomes a wonderful thing because Salma or these KP hotties want me to leave happy and they find a way to finish me off.

But is this "normal" ? Why am I ashamed of what I do? Well, probably because I have a significant other, a dead fish who is more than willing to be a cum bucket as often as I like because I do give her the O when we do it. She would not forgive me at all for what I do, but I have tried and tried to put a fire into our nights, and have only succeeded occasionally to get the dead fish into a lively mode. Meanwhile, I can go this week and see a smoking hot lady who will ride me until I am sore or be ridden for an hour of pounding and make me feel like I did her a huge sexual favor by using my skills on her. Fake fantasy or not, that is an awesome thing.

The last time I said I was going to give up KP, a bunch of you messaged me and asked me to allow you to use my membership. No way. I did not actually quit KP and it would be a logistical nightmare to give my info to someone else. I don't even use a burner phone. I am going to try to cut way back on KP and mostly just see Salma. I won't entirely give it up but might cut back so much that "Mike" will eventually drop me. I will see Salma until I retire and move away or until she leaves the business. Her personal life is such a mess that I doubt she quits before I do. I retire soon and plan to move to such a small "tropical" community that I won't be able to continue in this hobby. Everyone will know everyone and talk would get around. But I will have the greatest memories of some of the hottest women on this planet. If it takes you back any, I might have gotten out of this hobby before getting in too deep until I discovered touringgirlsDOTcom, South American hotties. Tessa was about the literal hottest GFE a man could handle. I was actually okay that they went away and saved me from over-indulging. I saw Macie for awhile and she was great, but no passion in her game. But KP took their place and then Salma, I met thru an agency during COVID and she didn't kiss back then. I just came back for the magnificent body and huge naturalistic DD's. When she went indy and recruited me, she became more passionate and I actually can escape into believing she would run away with me if I won the lottery- I bet she would. And sorry guys, she won't let me share her info. She recruits her own way. She prefers men with their own problems and something to lose because so many guys have obsessed over her, put airtags on her car, showed up at her incall when they were drunk and wanted to profess their lust / love for her. I get it, we play like we are lovers, but she knows I go home and turn it off.

Anyway, I think I wanted to share what I can't tell the people around me, but I also wanted to say- FIND A WAY TO END THIS GAME. I know I will quit in a couple / few years and it will be okay to live with the memories.

[Degen123]

So many are wanting to share their complete story. I get it. My best friend and confidante passed away a few years ago and I do not share my "hobby" with coworkers, relatives, other friends. I guess deep down I am ashamed that I partake so much. I have shared here before so will update y'all. If nobody reads it, it's okay. I still feel the need to purge these thoughts.

So I have run through various avenues of service. I don't care for the AMP adventures. Korean Palace has been my go-to for the last 2 years. But I returned to a former agency lady who became an independent lady I have previously referred to as my "Salma Hayek" in both body and facial looks and she's younger than Salma, but not by all that much. Because she keeps a lower volume than many others, and because I pay the same directly that I did thru the agency, my Salma wants to keep me and has become a great GFE provider- DFK the whole time, BBBJ, DATY, and bare FS. She knows that I love really big tits and she indulges my need for titty-face and otherwise worshipping her body. I have only kept up with Korean Palace because of the addiction to seeing different young hotties who also kiss and provide most of those same services, but really- I should give them up. The problem is very simple- I have had some of the greatest sex with the hottest women. So what if it hurts my savings? If savings are not for such a wonderful thing, then really what good are they? I guarantee my Salma is better at sex than the actual Salma. And those young hotties from KP- OMFG, they get the spinners with fake boobs and some of the tiniest waists. They kiss like teenagers with their hormones running wild. At my age, I sometimes have a hard time finishing, so I can last most of the hour if she follows my requests to start out slow, and these gals generally do that well. So my "problem" becomes a wonderful thing because Salma or these KP hotties want me to leave happy and they find a way to finish me off..

Is Salma in Chicago and on Tryst or X?