Agency Discussion and Reviews

**TheBigBoy11** · 11-13-23 21:10

Originally Posted by RJKing1221 [View Original Post]

I know everyone is talking about the busts.

My usual are shutdown llva, sa, apc, bo.

Where is one supposed to go in the interim?

I have the same question, LOL.

**SaintPolycarp** · 11-13-23 20:46

Originally Posted by JmSuttr [View Original Post]

Most, if not all, of the women on Eros and Tryst are independents. It's harder to make a trafficking case against indies, and "trafficking" is a ready gateway for the feds to get involved.

Also, I don't think these cases are about specifically targeting providers who might have high-profile client lists. It seems to me that the article is simply pointing out what prosecutors are likely to do when such a list falls into their hands.

I know this thread is dedicated to agencies, but I made the point in the News and Media thread that (IMO) independent providers are a safer way to go.

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post6672253

We all know that none of the girls at BTT were trafficked! They all were as independent as the girls on Eros.com or Tryst. Link and all those girls on those escort platforms have pimps. Unfortunately, Feds circus show ended short. Federal judges hate prostitution case, and now USA is responsible to protect and care for the victimless victims. HSI and MA government must protect and care those girls they arrested. If those namely victims reappear in this field as sex workers, USA is responsible for allowing the namely victims into the sexual exploitation by the US citizens!

**Derilious89** · 11-13-23 20:30

Originally Posted by Xonms [View Original Post]

Is it better for agency to have girls incall in hotel only as opposed to an apartments?

Apartments are cheaper for the agency and easier to deal with logistically; laundry rooms in the apartment for towels and sheets, bigger spaces / ladies get a place to relax, kitchens for food. All the same reasons people prefer a home over living in a hotel.

The apartments are also a nicer experience for mongers. I find that the condo setup just feels "homey", the room can be customized for better views, there is a sense of familiarity in going to the same place, etc.

**Xonms** · 11-13-23 17:25

Originally Posted by Max#01 [View Original Post]

A hotel room is significantly more expensive than renting an apartment or condo.

Oh okay I see.

**Max #01** · 11-13-23 17:14

Originally Posted by Xonms [View Original Post]

Is it better for agency to have girls incall in hotel only as opposed to an apartments?

A hotel room is significantly more expensive than renting an apartment or condo.

**Xonms** · 11-13-23 14:28

Is it better for agency to have girls incall in hotel only as opposed to an apartments?

**KylerMurray** · 11-13-23 12:58

Originally Posted by DCHung [View Original Post]

If you're going in the way back machine. I miss travelingbrazilians. My favorite was a legit former miss Brazil.

Isn't that agency still around? They primarily bring girls thru to Conn. And Baltimore? They have brought a few girls to Tysons. I used that shop before. They rebranded to lviplist I believe.

**RJKing1221** · 11-13-23 11:18

I know everyone is talking about the busts.

My usual are shutdown llva, sa, apc, bo.

Where is one supposed to go in the interim?

**Viger99** · 11-13-23 10:06

Originally Posted by KylerMurray [View Original Post]

I still miss XOC boys. Pretty Russian and EE women at a fairly affordable price (when comparing to indy market). The upcharges were goofy but they literally were bringing in 8/10 minimums with most being 9's and dimes. The game needs a replacement badly.

XOC and BEG / BTT shared many similarities. Multiple girls on tour at multiple cities at the same time. Girls from eastern part of Europe vs eastern part of Asia. Good value for the consistent to impressive level of service and quality. Reliable to SOTA booking process. Some girls do multiple repeated tours and some do one or two tours and are never seen again. Some are university graduates and regional athletes. And to top it all, some girls are good enough to have worked as models or singers, and this is their best option to earn good money quickly. Never was there any hints that any of them are compelled into this line of work by "force, fraud or coercion," the essential elements of legal trafficking. May both XOC and BEG / BTT rest in peace.

**DCHung** · 11-13-23 06:19

Originally Posted by KylerMurray [View Original Post]

I still miss XOC boys. Pretty Russian and EE women at a fairly affordable price (when comparing to indy market). The upcharges were goofy but they literally were bringing in 8/10 minimums with most being 9's and dimes. The game needs a replacement badly.

If you're going in the way back machine. I miss travelingbrazilians. My favorite was a legit former miss Brazil.

**KylerMurray** · 11-13-23 02:54

I still miss XOC boys. Pretty Russian and EE women at a fairly affordable price (when comparing to indy market). The upcharges were goofy but they literally were bringing in 8/10 minimums with most being 9's and dimes. The game needs a replacement badly.

**JmSuttr** · 11-12-23 23:21

Originally Posted by Derilious89 [View Original Post]

The problem remains that it only takes one monger pooping himself to bust the agency. For all we know, cops could have tried to turn 500 guys and only gotten actionable intel from like the 20 ish they referenced in the document. The important part for every guy is to understand that you are a individual in the case. They can't tie others actions to yourself. The only way they can arrest you is if you they have cameras in the room when you do the deed (and even that might be questionable since most of the girls don't even look at the envelope, though it seems like the new J-girls are more like to do it since it's something done in Japan). Don't text explicit stuff and even put in some text about "enjoying the time talking about work" or something for some plausible deniability on your side.

This can't save you from LE going rogue and outing you to your family or something, but you should always be aware what constitutes evidence for arrest. LE going out of their way to out you to your family is a whole different story, and one that may even be a legal case you can push for unlawful activity on their part.

It's unlikely that anyone will be individually outed to their family. That would not only be stupid, from a PR standpoint, but would also (as you mentioned) leave prosecutors and LE open to legal actions.

If, for whatever reason, they want to out people publicly, the smarter way to do it is to either find some kind of pseudo-legal pretext or else find some way to orchestrate an "accidental" release that can't readily be traced to anyone. I'm sure there are a number of slimy, publicity-hungry media outlets that would be willing to assist.

It's the non-public use that should be most concerning to some. While flat-out blackmail is unlikely to happen, knowledge is power and some high ranking officials may be faced with a choice between resignation or becoming the subject of a separate (non-criminal) investigation. Most govt officials have some kind of security clearance, and that's the likeliest method of arm-twisting I can think of.

And, since govt and private sector bigwigs tend to benefit from a double standard, it's probable that they'll be allowed to handle their problems differently than the smaller fish. They have influence and stuff to bargain with. It's the lower and mid-level guys who are more likely to get screwed, and not in a good way. Suspension or revocation of a clearance is a career-ender. The feds don't have to tell your family anything because it'll be up to you to explain why you lost your job and are unemployable in your (former) chosen field.

Note: Just for clarification, I'm not saying any of this Will happen, only that it's possible and anyone who thinks they may be at risk should prepare for worst-case scenarios. Also, for those who are still inclined to trade PII for access to pussy, these are some of the associated risks.

**Derilious89** · 11-12-23 22:01

The problem remains that it only takes one monger pooping himself to bust the agency. For all we know, cops could have tried to turn 500 guys and only gotten actionable intel from like the 20 ish they referenced in the document. The important part for every guy is to understand that you are a individual in the case. They can't tie others actions to yourself. The only way they can arrest you is if you they have cameras in the room when you do the deed (and even that might be questionable since most of the girls don't even look at the envelope, though it seems like the new J-girls are more like to do it since it's something done in Japan). Don't text explicit stuff and even put in some text about "enjoying the time talking about work" or something for some plausible deniability on your side.

This can't save you from LE going rogue and outing you to your family or something, but you should always be aware what constitutes evidence for arrest. LE going out of their way to out you to your family is a whole different story, and one that may even be a legal case you can push for unlawful activity on their part.

**CuriousVaMan** · 11-12-23 17:58

Excellent lecture from Law Professor James Duane. Well worth the watch.

https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE?si=4AZvUzz2JuSQ_qHA

**IceCityX1221** · 11-12-23 15:47

Originally Posted by BravoFox [View Original Post]

Rebrands, new crews, websites and locations should do the trick. No way human trafficking sticks. All the girls I have seen took this as a job like any other, but this one pays a lot more. Thinking this has to do with Politics and elections right now. By next year it's going to be all about Fentanyl crisis.

My friend is an FBI agent and he confirmed, this reads like a corruption case with FBI saying "look we did a thing" right before election season ramps up. He thinks local PD, politicians, high profile people might face pressure to resign or be exposed, but it's unlikely anything happens with the full black book.

Side note, seems like APC and BO websites down. I'm guessing they did this just to lay low for now?