Non Pro's

**ProJohn1** · 07-28-23 06:38

I will be meeting up with my first sugar baby soon. I will give a review on my first time experience with a semi-pro to non pro. I'm not exactly sure which she is. We have been talking for a few days and I definitely am not getting pro vibes since she hasn't barely even mentioned money. Time will tell.

**Shampoo55** · 07-27-23 12:06

Originally Posted by ProJohn1 [View Original Post]

I am a newbie in the SD game. Can anybody give me some basic pointers on what I should include in my first message and also does my profile really matter? I would rather get straight to the point and not do endless messaging with some time waster which from casual reading seems to be a common thing. How do I know the girl is serious? Do I just simply straight up ask her what her PPM is in the first message?

DUDE! NEVER and I mean NEVER talk about PPM, allowance or any kind of money talk on the SA site! Period! You do that and you violate the TOS, the BOTs that scan every message will catch you and you will get banned! Talk general stuff and get her to agree to communicate offsite where you can discuss PPM or allowance. Most of the time the best advice is save that discussion for a Meet & Greet (M&G) for several reasons.

First scammers, rip-off artists and Pro's aren't going to waste time with M&Gs. Never agree to pay for a M&G as this is in essence a 'job interview. ' Asking for funds for a M&G is a sure sign of a rinser.

Second, despite what I have seen others post, this isn't totally socially acceptable nor on the right side of things. As such, do you wish to leave a written record of your PPM negotiations with a girl? Don't talk PPM or sex for money through text, etc.

Finally, the best "education" one can get comes from what is / was the defacto (first & only) SB board / thread in Richmond VA. A kind dude or two scraped that thread and created a new one with all of the best advice on "how to" sugar date. More info than one can absorb in one sitting but a PhD level of knowledge there. Just like any skill, you get out of Sugaring what you put into it, time wise.

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...-Index-and-FAQ

But seriously, if you are looking for the real LT, intimate Sugar Dating experience, one needs to distinguish them self from the numbnuts and Neanderthals who send dick picks, treat girls like prostitutes or think these girls are just an upgrade to escorts. In other words if your focus is purely "PPM and move on to the next", then one should be playing in the escort area. Then again, more guys who treat girls badly, just makes it easier for those of us who play the game right.

**VanDawg** · 07-27-23 09:20

Originally Posted by MarkoRamius [View Original Post]

My own opinion is that the very best deals and the least flaky ones are all over 30, and right now for me the sweetest spot is 33-37. I've got a good one right now in that age range who is keeping me busy.

I will rarely even engage with any of them under 26 anymore. Too much GPS, too much drama, too little performance. And most of them are hilariously inexperienced which can be kind of adorable but isn't exactly what I'm looking for, especially at the prices they seem to expect.

I have found lots of success with the 30+ crowd too (I'm late 40's). I don't think they get nearly the attention on there as the 18-25 crowd. Hot single moms, gym rats, tired of dating losers, know how to fuck and they are in great shape for their age.

**Marko Ramius** · 07-26-23 19:01

My own opinion is that the very best deals and the least flaky ones are all over 30, and right now for me the sweetest spot is 33-37. I've got a good one right now in that age range who is keeping me busy.

I will rarely even engage with any of them under 26 anymore. Too much GPS, too much drama, too little performance. And most of them are hilariously inexperienced which can be kind of adorable but isn't exactly what I'm looking for, especially at the prices they seem to expect.

**Marko Ramius** · 07-26-23 18:55

Originally Posted by KnoxNenters [View Original Post]

Most of them are mentally unsound.

No shit. I've got an ex SB (from about ten years ago) who at random intervals blows up my phone and email with fairly extravagant threats unless I pay her insanely huge sums of money. I just tell her to go ahead and do whatever she wants to do and block the numbers and email. As far as I can tell she is now homeless and whenever she gets or steals a phone she starts shaking people down.

A few months ago she was on a tear. I gave some of the emails to the local cops. Their reaction, and I quote, was, "what a whackjob!" Of course they didn't do anything.

**KnoxNenters** · 07-26-23 18:07

Originally Posted by ProJohn1 [View Original Post]

Yes. I want a non pro. I see what you mean now. I was kind of under the impression it was more or less the standard that they would all have a PPM. So there are total non pros on there still? That's good news. It's hard to tell from the ads right. I hear the horror stories about all the bots and shit. Sometimes it seems to good to be true some of these beautiful woman who are "going to college" etc.

I got all my best advice from Darkhosis

. And I'm not the one seeking advice, btw.

Sugar is time-consuming. And it's partly a numbers game. So many of the girls are just flakes, and terrible communicators, so you kind of have to cast a wide net. Which can backfire. You'll need to be organized and keep track of their details. They hate when you're ignoring something they already told you. Most of them are mentally unsound. Actually, I think we all are.

Sometimes, you get lucky and within hours, you're on a date with intimacy. Usually an exception. The best quality relationships I've developed took weeks to get to a first date. But if you haven't set up a burner phone number account, you should. There's plenty of risk involved, so protecting your identity can be important. Blackmail is a *****.

Also, the site will permanently ban you if you get caught discussing any kind of intimacy with the notion of compensation. The moment you see the "PPM" or similar language on the site's messaging, you need to move that conversation offsite. They don't just ban your account from both Seeking and WYP, but your IP address, and MAC (machine) address, I think. It happened to a friend. I had to create an account for him, he paid me for the subscription, and has to use VPN to access it. I took the risk, but it worked.

Other advice: Don't make an offer purely on texting. They'll probably refuse you if they want a certain amount that's above your threshold. Your goal should be to meet them first, establish chemistry and connection, then negotiate. It helps if you get them a couple of drinks first. At least that's what works well for me. I've negotiated plenty of intimate first dates without meeting first, but I've found much better success having a lunch or drinks then graduating the tension to intimacy. DM if you like. Happy to dispel terrible advice.

**ProJohn1** · 07-26-23 16:22

Originally Posted by Darkhosis [View Original Post]

I don't know what you're reading but you've got it almost all wrong. You're not looking for a SD experience, you're looking for a PPM arrangement with a non-pro. That's nothing like sugaring, other than the non-pro part. If you don't understand how to talk to a woman beyond asking a price, I'd stick to the pros. You have to be able to think on your feet, it's not like putting your money on the nightstand. There are pros / semi-pros on SA. They're fairly obvious.

A majority of the posts on here are bad experiences because most guys aren't going to talk openly about their successes. Why would we want more competition? LOL.

Yes. I want a non pro. I see what you mean now. I was kind of under the impression it was more or less the standard that they would all have a PPM. So there are total non pros on there still? That's good news. It's hard to tell from the ads right. I hear the horror stories about all the bots and shit. Sometimes it seems to good to be true some of these beautiful woman who are "going to college" etc.

**3Putt** · 07-26-23 16:14

Then see where it goes. LOL.

https://members.seeking.com/member/a...d-3d8608b66984

**Mamouna** · 07-26-23 12:04

Originally Posted by ProJohn1 [View Original Post]

I am a newbie in the SD game. Can anybody give me some basic pointers on what I should include in my first message and also does my profile really matter? I would rather get straight to the point and not do endless messaging with some time waster which from casual reading seems to be a common thing. How do I know the girl is serious? Do I just simply straight up ask her what her PPM is in the first message?

I don't know what you're reading but you've got it almost all wrong. You're not looking for a SD experience, you're looking for a PPM arrangement with a non-pro. That's nothing like sugaring, other than the non-pro part. If you don't understand how to talk to a woman beyond asking a price, I'd stick to the pros. You have to be able to think on your feet, it's not like putting your money on the nightstand. There are pros / semi-pros on SA. They're fairly obvious.

A majority of the posts on here are bad experiences because most guys aren't going to talk openly about their successes. Why would we want more competition? LOL.

**DJ Tan** · 07-26-23 11:46

LOL, if it's skinny hot Chinese model and send you message, skip or block then repeat.

I've been getting message from Ukraine and Colombia babes, a lot; I am not interested in video chatting and jerking off in from of my laptop since I am not flying to Bogota / Medelline or Kyiv.

**AlanHeckle** · 07-26-23 01:45

Originally Posted by MilfHunter66 [View Original Post]

I've gotten like 3 or 4 of these in the last week. All are the same except the name.

They send you a message that reads and I quote.

"Honestly, you look like a grown man full of charm, nice to met you. My name is Rose. I'm single. Love to travel, Let's connected".

Rose Smile.

https://members.seeking.com/member/1...8-d7feb7af8704

I think I'm done playing around on seeking for a bit.

Yeah it's been brutal. I hate that site so much LOL.

**ProJohn1** · 07-26-23 01:43

I am a newbie in the SD game. Can anybody give me some basic pointers on what I should include in my first message and also does my profile really matter? I would rather get straight to the point and not do endless messaging with some time waster which from casual reading seems to be a common thing. How do I know the girl is serious? Do I just simply straight up ask her what her PPM is in the first message?

**DilzParty** · 07-26-23 00:21

Originally Posted by MilfHunter66 [View Original Post]

I think I'm done playing around on seeking for a bit.

Eh the bots are always there and easy to spot. New girl today with "Love to hit up the bars" in the About Me section.

Age: 19.

Drinks: Non Drinker.

What?

**MilfHunter66** · 07-25-23 21:23

I've gotten like 3 or 4 of these in the last week. All are the same except the name.

They send you a message that reads and I quote.

"Honestly, you look like a grown man full of charm, nice to met you. My name is Rose. I'm single. Love to travel, Let's connected".

Rose Smile.

https://members.seeking.com/member/1...8-d7feb7af8704

I think I'm done playing around on seeking for a bit.