Agency Discussion and Reviews

**ArtWater** · 06-20-23 22:16

Originally Posted by Androo75 [View Original Post]

I can't decide, input welcome.

Liking fit prettiest face / body combo. Thanks!

Having seen Bobi, Ruru, and Agnes now. (2 of those twice), I would have to say Bobi. They each have their perks. Ruru is definitely "kawaii" as they say (cutesy) if you're into that kind of thing.

**Member #6353** · 06-20-23 19:45

Originally Posted by BobORama [View Original Post]

Interesting. I was not an avid watcher of the show, as I had only seen a few episodes here and there. But I guess you're right, they actually went after a guy who said things but didn't show up. But in order to arrest the guy, they had to obtain search and arrest warrants from the local judges. As I'm reading in Wikipedia: "Neither judge had been informed about Dateline's involvement, and both later testified that they would not have signed off had they known. Rusch (judge who provided search warrant) blamed the Murphy police for how the situation ended".

I guess the key takeaway is: if the police really want to arrest you, they can and will. Does having PII mean they can arrest you? Yes. If they really want to, they can ask a judge to sign off on an arrest warrant based on their own probable cause. Is it likely? Probably not. And judging by this case, it seems like they went after this particular guy because he was an actual somebody. Dude was a freaken Assistant District Attorney!

Yeah it was a pretty convoluted situation, and that was actually the reason TCAP got cancelled.

And correct, we are in agreement. Going back to the XOC bust, there is very little chance any guys get caught up in it unless they were pretty big fish (politicians, celebrities, or just someone the fed wants to make an example out of). Possibly, yes. Likely, no. But either way, I would not want my PII caught up in it, especially if you have a sensitive career that requires security clearance. This is conjecture on my part, but who is to say by having your PII in a bust like XOC when your clearance is up for renewal that something doesn't get flagged somewhere? Just a thought. People can end up on no-fly list for seemingly obscure reasons based on something they posted online years ago, so it would not surprise me that job clearances / background checks might ping a database with your name associated with a major interstate sex trafficking bust that involved numerous federal agencies.

**Bob O Rama** · 06-20-23 19:38

Originally Posted by AnonDemon69 [View Original Post]

What's APC? I can't find anything on the search.

APC = Asian Paradise Club.

https://asianparadiseclub.com/content/

Check out their twitter page. They are basically the predecessor to Moon Palace.

https://twitter.com/happyluckyclub

**Bob O Rama** · 06-20-23 19:13

Originally Posted by Sairento [View Original Post]

I am glad you mentioned TCAP. One of the most infamous stories was about a guy who DIDN'T show up. The cops and SWAT team still went to his house to arrest him and he committed suicide at that time: https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5238922&page=1.

Interesting. I was not an avid watcher of the show, as I had only seen a few episodes here and there. But I guess you're right, they actually went after a guy who said things but didn't show up. But in order to arrest the guy, they had to obtain search and arrest warrants from the local judges. As I'm reading in Wikipedia: "Neither judge had been informed about Dateline's involvement, and both later testified that they would not have signed off had they known. Rusch (judge who provided search warrant) blamed the Murphy police for how the situation ended".

I guess the key takeaway is: if the police really want to arrest you, they can and will. Does having PII mean they can arrest you? Yes. If they really want to, they can ask a judge to sign off on an arrest warrant based on their own probable cause. Is it likely? Probably not. And judging by this case, it seems like they went after this particular guy because he was an actual somebody. Dude was a freaken Assistant District Attorney!

**LizardLeader18** · 06-20-23 18:49

Originally Posted by MrFairfax [View Original Post]

Any CP kustomers seen Hera or Olive? Can you PM or post on board with a short update if you do?

Thanks,

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...highlight=hera#post6425501.

There's some stuff on the the oThER site for hera, but you can also check the LA forums for kgirls often to see details. Haven't found anything for Olive.

**AnonDemon69** · 06-20-23 18:21

Originally Posted by DanStew [View Original Post]

The two are the same right just with slightly different names.

What's APC? I can't find anything on the search.

**Member #6353** · 06-20-23 17:48

Originally Posted by BobORama [View Original Post]

Have you never watched "To Catch a Predator"? They can only charge you with a crime IF YOU SHOW UP. They have never gone after a predator who said all those nasty things online, but never showed up. Law enforcement having your PII is not grounds for arresting you under any circumstances. They can call you, show up to your residence, but you are not obligated to say anything to them.

I am glad you mentioned TCAP. One of the most infamous stories was about a guy who DIDN'T show up. The cops and SWAT team still went to his house to arrest him and he committed suicide at that time: https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5238922&page=1.

**DanStew** · 06-20-23 17:37

The two are the same right just with slightly different names.

**Bob O Rama** · 06-20-23 16:13

Originally Posted by Sairento [View Original Post]

Has that logic held up in online stings that involve underage girls, or human trafficking? Nope. Has that logic held up in people dealing drugs, hitmen, and other crimes on the dark web? Nope. If there is a digital trail with incriminating evidence, that is enough. Again, it is not a matter of possibility, it is a matter of effort -- LEO doesn't want to put in the effort to go after various Johns across the country, it's low level and not worth the trouble and I think we can agree on that.

Have you never watched "To Catch a Predator"? They can only charge you with a crime IF YOU SHOW UP. They have never gone after a predator who said all those nasty things online, but never showed up. Law enforcement having your PII is not grounds for arresting you under any circumstances. They can call you, show up to your residence, but you are not obligated to say anything to them.

**MrFairfax** · 06-20-23 15:26

Any CP kustomers seen Hera or Olive? Can you PM or post on board with a short update if you do?

Thanks,

**Member #6353** · 06-20-23 14:50

Originally Posted by Derilious89 [View Original Post]

I'll stop after this to not clutter the board, but they literally installed cameras (illegally, apparently) to "catch" Kraft and others. And those guys still got off of the charges. You cannot charge people on a "paper trail" only on direct evidence (any lawyer can easily claim someone stole your I'd or whatever). It's just getting old to listen the same old, "agency got busted, everyone is screwed" mantra and yet we don't see article after article of clients getting arrested. It's about being smart with giving PII, understanding what is legally permissible, etc.

Has that logic held up in online stings that involve underage girls, or human trafficking? Nope. Has that logic held up in people dealing drugs, hitmen, and other crimes on the dark web? Nope. If there is a digital trail with incriminating evidence, that is enough. Again, it is not a matter of possibility, it is a matter of effort -- LEO doesn't want to put in the effort to go after various Johns across the country, it's low level and not worth the trouble and I think we can agree on that.

**Derilious89** · 06-20-23 14:44

Originally Posted by Sairento [View Original Post]

Try re-reading it again. If they wanted to they could charge each and every person there is a paper trail on. Look at more illicit sex crimes -- the mere presence of a digital trail is enough to get you arrested. Now WILL they charge customers in an agency bust - not likely. COULD they - Absolutely. I never once said "if you are on the XOC customer list you are getting charged" I clearly stated if you gave your PII to XOC it is now in the hands of LEO -- this is indisputable. But keep putting your head in the sand if that makes you feel better.

Even your example of Rob Kraft is wrong and contradictory -- he was CHARGED along with 25 other people for being customers. Regardless if the charges stuck or not, he still was arrested and charged. So, again, please educate yourself.

I'll stop after this to not clutter the board, but they literally installed cameras (illegally, apparently) to "catch" Kraft and others. And those guys still got off of the charges. You cannot charge people on a "paper trail" only on direct evidence (any lawyer can easily claim someone stole your I'd or whatever). It's just getting old to listen the same old, "agency got busted, everyone is screwed" mantra and yet we don't see article after article of clients getting arrested. It's about being smart with giving PII, understanding what is legally permissible, etc.

**LocalCustomer** · 06-20-23 11:34

Originally Posted by Ernesto88 [View Original Post]

Haven't seen the others but Dana was fairly attractive: 6. 5 face 7 body (small breast with a cute butt). Service for me was an 8 or 9. Submissive, attentive, gave good head with a little DT. She's one of the few girls ever that didn't run from my dick. She truly took it deep for a good amount of time without complaining or shifting around. Very tight and small pussy.

Are Dana's stats accurate? Says 5'1" 118 lbs which is pretty thick compared to a good spinner type which might be 5'1" 90 lbs or 5'6" 105 lbs. Are these numbers just made up? Because Bobi was advertised 5'4" 100 lbs and she's definitely not 100 lbs. So hoping Dana is actually lower than 118.

**Ernesto88** · 06-20-23 11:20

Originally Posted by Androo75 [View Original Post]

I can't decide, input welcome.

Liking fit prettiest face / body combo. Thanks!

Haven't seen the others but Dana was fairly attractive: 6. 5 face 7 body (small breast with a cute butt). Service for me was an 8 or 9. Submissive, attentive, gave good head with a little DT. She's one of the few girls ever that didn't run from my dick. She truly took it deep for a good amount of time without complaining or shifting around. Very tight and small pussy.