Stupid Shit In San Diego

[SDJaziKing-Shill for Sugars]

Actually, there are lots of real and contributing members but you just need to know who they are and find those with your similar tastes and avoid the clone accounts.

I don't think the judgement is out on you yet. Your very first reviews was for a poor AAMP group and you mentioned you are a longtime lurker who recreated an account to post about Cris. Some may say you created the "clone" account to boost her business with your reviews for her group.

If you actually read my review on Cris, I wasn't even siding on their business. I actually talked shit about my session being shorted and the girl didn't even look like the pictures. Now ask yourself, does that help promoting their business at all?

[SDJaziKing-Shill for Sugars]

Had I not taken the advice of a highly respected fellow hobbyist here, I'd be willing to bet that VIP / VIP2 would still be in operation today. And probably would've had a date with one of my VIP girls last night.

FWIW: The ball is in their court now. If this person / rival business wants to continue playing their cowardly games here (targeting the competition (like they did VIP who clearly had better talent / services than them), then I would be willing to bet, some of these places will soon cease operating in the residential communities they currently reside in offering their prostitution services, and be forced to find a different hosting venue. Just the collateral damage / Karma. For what's been done. LOL.

"Veteran hobbyist" <LOL WAFJ.

I'd be willing to bet that I've been in this hobby longer than most of the "veteran hobbyists" here.

I've banged some of the higher end dime pieces escorts. And don't get me started regarding some of the stripper's I dated back in my strip club days at Cheetah's, Dirty Dan's, Pure Platinum, Club Expose. That didn't cost me a cent. Or all of the hot chicks I've dated in my life time. That you paying monger's here never would've had a shot at in your lifetimes. My whole life, has been 1 big pussy chasing fantasy, from my High School, military, college. On. So if I decide now, that AMP's are my cup of tea, I could give 2 fucks what anyone else here thinks, or how they feel. You, most of all, aren't going to change my attitude and what I like.

So with all due respect, you can kindly take your condescending "veteran hobbyist" attitude and preach your BS to all of those "veteran hobbyists" you referred to. The fact that you enable and feed into this cowardly asshole shill here, is part of the problem / hypocrisy that permeates the AMP / VIP thread's.

The fact that "veteran hobbyists" like yourself here, just turn a blind eye, to what these girls at VIP were put through, speaks volumes to your moral character, or lack thereof. And I have Zero respect for you.

So keep preaching & I'll just heed the wonderful advice posted by Admin 2 a couple of pages back and add you to my "ignore list," basically making you, irrelevant, just like that Ryan / Dude / Jiz and all of his other online personalities he's been using here. But just remember 1 thing "veteran hobbyists": Try resorting to these same type of cowardly tactics against another AMP, and just see how fast, hypothetical s, become a reality! LOL.

Cheers.

Jesus,

I've never seen a person who emits more SIMP energy than this guy does LOL. Shit is actually hilarious.

I tell you what Mr. Johnny the Simp, these girls haven't gone through some human trafficking shit. It's all about business and they obviously sucked at it, regardless of their extraordinary services. Sabotage? Glass breaking and shit? What the fuck is this, a legal business with a legal operation? This shit ain't a well respected mom & pop shop we all need to protect as a community.

[SDJaziKing-Shill for Sugars]

So you are saying you have no problem with posts that openly discouraged mongers from going to VIP in Spring Valley because they were "reckless" and "disrupted the marketplace"? Are you theDude? Or are you Mr RubMaps? Just askin.

Mr MuffMan.

What do you think? Do you think just because I brought up facts I am automatically the competitor? So do you think girls walking around the hallway naked is just "sexy?" They were careless as fuck. Have you actually seen the trash can inside NLBC rooms? That shit was filled with cum wipes and sometimes with condoms too man. Leaving all the evidences like a fucking maniac, where shit should've been cleaned up after each session; they were either too busy or lazy. I am simply stating what happened and what I've seen. Also about market disruption; Tons of people miss VIP / NLBC simply because of whole 2-ben worth of threesome fuckery. Not everyone here on the forum is well-established gentlemen who don't need to worry about money in their life. Shit was an insane budget deal for a regular monger who wanted to experience the threesome package. It's not like four hands massage was just magically invented by VIP girls. You just had to pay double for the same amount of "time" you spend there. But we all know VIP simply crushed the paywall and attracted insane amount of attention from mongers. If this was not a market disruption, I don't know what was. Shit almost changed the entire dynamic of AMP scene.

You too are also heavily biased sir. I am neither "thedude" or "rubmap. " Just an ordinary monger who has no interest in getting my ass busted by LEs. Go ask admin if you still think I am just another burner account. I seriously don't give a jack fuck about the whole VIP vs. Agency bullshit. Who gives a fuck? What the fuck are we, AMP vigilantes? I am just sick and tired of seeing people biased af on their reports. There's always pros and cons. Not everything is perfect in life. Yet yall folks only want to talk about the "good things. ".

[Admin2]

I was told to stop "arguing" with those clones or I would be moderated. And that was the first month one of the clones appeared on the board. First question that hit me when I saw the notice of the removal, "how do you know which clone he is"? What I do know about websites is this. Every time you visit a site, your IP address, Device Name, User name, etc are captured in a log. What the public can't see in a post is the IP Address of the poster. Doesn't take much to gather data on the IP Address and associate it with a User then check the email address of that user. That's all part of the backend of this system. Easy to track people.

Now that I wake up every morning to bacon and can't but wonder of these admins are going to start researching and see if these new clones go back to a dude. Geolocation will certainly help them. No, this is not over by a long shot.

From the fucking 80's. IP information is fucking useless which is why we don't log it. I'm not going to give a class to help trolls improve their game on how to spoof your IP but even without doing anything since the explosion of smart phones IP info is less than useless for what you're describing. Because the internet still pretty much functions on IP 4 but has so many devices that IP 6 addressing is needed what ISP's do is something called NAT (Network Address Translation) https://avinetworks.com/glossary/net...blic%20address I'll just thumbnail it for you since you're a fucking idiot.

ALL of these trolls, AND YOU come from the same IP as we see it. Your phone has an IP 6 address (looks like this fe80 d4 a8:6435: d2 d8: d9 f3 b11) but then when it hits your ISP it's converted to IP 4 (looks like XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX) so literally 10's of thousands of people have the same IP address publicly.

The way to get rid of trolls is really fucking simple, trolls CRAVE attention, every single fucking time you guys address them you encourage them to post more.

I identify them, label them, and suggest you ignore them. You do not, you are part of the problem.

Next time know what the fuck you're talking about.

A2.

[CityboysUp]

Show is over, why do we need to still talk about this dead business on the forum and get fucking mad about it? If they resurface, nice! Do let us know! If they don't, that's fine too. But let's not talk like we have some weird ass obligations to end this aggression. Let them handle their business, don't be their pawns.

For starters, without awareness to the issue, it will continue to happen. You cannot simply push things aside and expect normalcy again. The guy who started this mess was extremely aggressive. And I love SDAG, but it's gone downhill in many ways. It started with the name changes, it continued with the fake reviews, and now I'm starting to believe these awesome AMPs were indeed being driven out by them.

I don't believe in shilling, I believe in honest reviews. It helps each other, but also keeps agencies honest. They began to game us and started to literally market shit to us. I was tired of that, but driving away the great talent at NLBC / VIP is very disappointing. I was not one to favor AMPs but that group was exceptional. The AMP business died out for quite a bit over a decade ago, and was only beginning to resurge over the previous few years. Now we've taken a step back.

If the guy had stuck to the SDAG girls, that would've been fine, but he kept peddling Cris's agency with their mediocre service and those poor ethics spilled over to SDAG.

[PoonTangJohnny]

Lastly, I would just like to convey my "thanks," to the Admin here, for giving us this platform (perfect thread title BTW) and the latitude, to discuss this highly volatile subject at hand, and what's transpired these past few months. It's greatly appreciated!

We hobbyists here (whether you're into Escorts, Independents, AMP's / AAMP, have lost a wonderful venue / girls, because of it. And this really needs to be nipped in the bud, stat!

[PoonTangJohnny]

To all of you member's quoted below: I just wanted to express my sincerest thanks / gratitude, for all of you speaking up here. We hobbyist's, lost a very wonderful group of girls (VIP) and the dynamic services and a level of excitement, that just doesn't come along very often. We who were lucky enough to enjoy and experience this ride for ourselves. WE KNOW, what a hot fantasy ride this was, and more importantly, what we lost, needlessly!

This should, never be allowed to happen again. I'm pissed, and I won't be taking a step back! It's just not how I was raised (core values) and who I am. I'm old school- I much more prefer discussing things / issues, man to man. But unfortunately, we live in the day of the internet, and cowards. Where people like this, shill / competition, can do pretty much whatever they want, with anonymity. Until they blow their cover that is. Which is exactly what this person did, when he went to VIP2 casing their joint out. It's all on video, and he wasn't wearing a mask this time, like the 2 late nights of terror when he smashed in the front window / door at VIP SV. As the girls were sleeping literally within a few feet away.

I want thank you guys, for showing compassion, in regards to what the sweet girls (innocent victims) were put through, and most of all, didn't deserve. This was 100% done by a competition! This was vindictive and pure evil.

I know you guys probably think these are just overzealous supporters, but you should guy be aware that this forum is frequented very often by bookers and pimps. As I have stated to others privately, I will say it here now. I'm pretty certain that was a booker or someone affiliated with management. They have a strong incentive to get you to check out their business, and at some point it started becoming really unethical.

They didn't put up reports for their more popular members for obvious reasons. The reports would always come for usually newer girls or girls whose business was likely slowly down. And this would be okay to do in my opinion. If they were accurate reports. But they weren't. All the girls did not look like their pictures, and they would always say, "we don't post real pictures to protect their identities". Yeah okay that's great, but they LITERALLY look nothing like the picture that was posted.

And the excessive amount of name changes for some girls. You guys are aware of why they do this right? If a girl has a bad rep or is simply not getting enough business, they keep rebranding the girl. And then they try to package the shit back to us as if we don't know any better. That's not good. If the girls don't look as good or don't provide good service, they should be punished with fewer customers until they do better.

Does Petra need a name change? No. Does Ash need a name change? No. Even Tatum, does she need a name change? No, because they either provide good service, look good, or both.

And then there were rumors that might have been true that this person was sabotaging operations at NLBC and VIP to promote Cris's girls. And that group literally sucks but they keep getting glowing reports here, even though the reports on TER are mediocre for the price.

This is all bad for mongers. It's very bad business.

I was told to stop "arguing" with those clones or I would be moderated. And that was the first month one of the clones appeared on the board. First question that hit me when I saw the notice of the removal, "how do you know which clone he is"? What I do know about websites is this. Every time you visit a site, your IP address, Device Name, User name, etc are captured in a log. What the public can't see in a post is the IP Address of the poster. Doesn't take much to gather data on the IP Address and associate it with a User then check the email address of that user. That's all part of the backend of this system. Easy to track people.

Now that I wake up every morning to bacon and can't but wonder of these admins are going to start researching and see if these new clones go back to a dude. Geolocation will certainly help them. No, this is not over by a long shot.

Agreed. That Dude and his many clones effectively poisoned honest discussion here with self-serving disinformation. I'm now "moderated" because I dared to question the integrity of one such clone. So be it. Sure, we can all "just get along" so long as we all play fair. I think it was allowed tonfester for far too long. And its not over yet by a long shot.

That's great and all, but this former member was divisive as hell. Anytime anyone made an honest negative remark about the girls he represented, he would lash out at them. And not only that, they used to post negative reviews here and on TER until they got called out for it. And then he would create mediocre but slightly positive reviews for girls from non-SDAG or Cris's Crap group to make it seem like he was impartial. He would always make glowing review for girls that were CLEARLY not good and likely not getting enough bookings. If you can't understand that person's intentions now, then you're very naive.

This behavior is unacceptable. And the number of alternate accounts posting reviews and shilling the original ad is overwhelming. I am confident there are still several accounts that are tied to them simply based on the content. No one else is posting any kind of crap in favor of any the masseuses at Cris's group, because they are overpriced and not good to look at.

I think the purpose of this forum is to provide accurate information and to be helpful to fellow mongers. It is not helpful when someone is being paid (paid in free service, or kickback or whatever) to post false reports in an attempt to increase business to a specific girl or group. Or, to do the opposite, and talk shit about a girl / organization in an attempt to hurt their business.

Hello gentlemen. I'd like to start by saying that I very much appreciate this forum and the community that has grown around it. Here, we've been afforded an opportunity to seek out those things we are interested in and even to experience those others that perhaps we were never aware existed or could be of interest to us. I am grateful for the knowledge, experience, and anecdotes that are shared here and which have been very helpful in making my efforts more fruitful. Many of you already know that I am more than happy to share my own experiences when my time permits. Having said all that, I may now be risking taking a stance that may prove unpopular with some. That is, I don't fucking care who gets what for free, who pays less for what, or whether my mileage varies. It's part of the game we play and I am not troubled that others are more astute at receiving the aforementioned gifts from the phenomenal women we all seek. If anything, God bless them for getting freebies and gimmies. Not a single one of us would decline such an offer in exchange for a review that is honest but favorable. All I propose is that we take this forum for what it is, an opportunity to share and build community. If some members want to spend hours debating, arguing, and spewing hateful rhetoric then I will simply ignore it and mine the information that is useful for me from their comments. Believe me, I have never had a bad experience with any of the ladies or places that have been shared here favorably before. So who gives a shit what the transactional component of the arrangement was between a member and a provider? Please, just focus on the purpose of this forum and put suppositions and jealousy aside. Let's just get along and hope that we continue to be as fortunate through our shared information as we all have been already. Thanks for reading.

[PoonTangJohnny]

Had I not taken the advice of a highly respected fellow hobbyist here, I'd be willing to bet that VIP / VIP2 would still be in operation today. And probably would've had a date with one of my VIP girls last night.

FWIW: The ball is in their court now. If this person / rival business wants to continue playing their cowardly games here (targeting the competition (like they did VIP who clearly had better talent / services than them), then I would be willing to bet, some of these places will soon cease operating in the residential communities they currently reside in offering their prostitution services, and be forced to find a different hosting venue. Just the collateral damage / Karma. For what's been done. LOL.

For the right price, yeah. You can find way better services in San Diego. That's the beauty of hobby; The never ending unicorn hunt. Never say never in this field man. That's the dumbest shit you can actually say to veteran hobbyists LOL.

"Veteran hobbyist" <LOL WAFJ.

I'd be willing to bet that I've been in this hobby longer than most of the "veteran hobbyists" here.

I've banged some of the higher end dime pieces escorts. And don't get me started regarding some of the stripper's I dated back in my strip club days at Cheetah's, Dirty Dan's, Pure Platinum, Club Expose. That didn't cost me a cent. Or all of the hot chicks I've dated in my life time. That you paying monger's here never would've had a shot at in your lifetimes. My whole life, has been 1 big pussy chasing fantasy, from my High School, military, college. On. So if I decide now, that AMP's are my cup of tea, I could give 2 fucks what anyone else here thinks, or how they feel. You, most of all, aren't going to change my attitude and what I like.

So with all due respect, you can kindly take your condescending "veteran hobbyist" attitude and preach your BS to all of those "veteran hobbyists" you referred to. The fact that you enable and feed into this cowardly asshole shill here, is part of the problem / hypocrisy that permeates the AMP / VIP thread's.

The fact that "veteran hobbyists" like yourself here, just turn a blind eye, to what these girls at VIP were put through, speaks volumes to your moral character, or lack thereof. And I have Zero respect for you.

So keep preaching & I'll just heed the wonderful advice posted by Admin 2 a couple of pages back and add you to my "ignore list," basically making you, irrelevant, just like that Ryan / Dude / Jiz and all of his other online personalities he's been using here. But just remember 1 thing "veteran hobbyists": Try resorting to these same type of cowardly tactics against another AMP, and just see how fast, hypothetical s, become a reality! LOL.

Cheers.

[Mr MuffMan]

Lots of other mongers (including myself) preferred NLBC location than Spring Valley, simply because it was more secured and safe location. If you really think about how reckless the whole operation was, it's actually mind blowing. Girls walking around the hallway completely naked sometimes, wearing no panties under super short dress, whole parlor sounds like a fuckfest if fully occupied and shit. While it might make you feel like you're in Disneyland of Porn to experience the sensory overload, it's extremely delusional. It was rather a SUPER risky operation. Don't get me wrong, I too was addicted to the services they offered and the beauty they provided but I'm just glad I didn't get my ass busted by LEs because the heat was getting really hot at that place. Who can I blame, I am a risk-chaser though.

And on a completely side note, they honestly got to San Diego in December and began operating like they were trying to take over the whole city LOL. Yes, the services they provided far exceeds the quality of other spas, there's no doubt about that. But if you are going to jump into an unregulated, rather illegal market, you should do your research first. I honestly think the services they provided should've cost more than $$, for the sake of preventing any competitor's reckless behavior. Competitors do pop up here and there, ALL THE TIME. What they DON'T usually do is disrupting the market price.

I mean come on, tons of mongers reported paying only $$ for a threesome as soon as they began to be noticed by us mongers. Not just a threesome but a mind-blowing threesome with insatiably beautiful Chinese girls. Can you imagine how many of other mongers got instantly interested / attracted by those posts? Try selling high grade pure cocaine for 20 bux a gram for months. I'm sure you will be found dead on the street in no time, not by cops but by other competitors. Some of you mongers call them innocent, but I got to call them naive instead. Just purely from a business perspective. Street is tough boys. If you know, you know.

So you are saying you have no problem with posts that openly discouraged mongers from going to VIP in Spring Valley because they were "reckless" and "disrupted the marketplace"? Are you theDude? Or are you Mr RubMaps? Just askin.

Mr MuffMan.

[RChangDatyKing]

Like, how did you guys even notice all this? Just by doing a simple math, I come to an only conclusion; we have insanely few 'real' members who actually contribute on the forums. It's pretty fucking sad actually.

Actually, there are lots of real and contributing members but you just need to know who they are and find those with your similar tastes and avoid the clone accounts.

I don't think the judgement is out on you yet. Your very first reviews was for a poor AAMP group and you mentioned you are a longtime lurker who recreated an account to post about Cris. Some may say you created the "clone" account to boost her business with your reviews for her group.

[SDJaziKing-Shill for Sugars]

The bottom line: Nobody, & I repeat, NOBODY, here in San Diego, (AMP or AAMP), could compete with the level of service that VIP / VIP 2 was providing to us hobbyist, and the lost revenue was hitting them in their pocket books big time, so they resorted to both sabotage and vandalism and attacked them in every way possible until they finally succeeded in driving them out of town.

For the right price, yeah. You can find way better services in San Diego. That's the beauty of hobby; The never ending unicorn hunt. Never say never in this field man. That's the dumbest shit you can actually say to veteran hobbyists LOL.

But seriously though bro, don't you dare worry about their money. It's probably the least thing you need to actually worry about.

But despised this 1 A-hole (Dude / Ryan / Jizalot and Jaguar-all 1 in the same)

Regardless of how direct and straightforward Ryan writes, I highly doubt Ryan had any malicious intent toward VIP? What the fuck is this accusation? He seems to be the most stable person I've seen on this forum so far, who isn't fully swung by emotions when writing reports / posts.

And I was greatly rewarded of my loyalty, with perks! I'm sure not too many other guys got to enjoy; the unicorn type services. As well as the on about half a dozen different occasions, when VIP2 was under supposedly under renovation (NEWS ALERT: THEY WERE'NT).

I was given Carte Blanche VIP2 privileges and would have the entire place to myself along with 2 girls who would make the drive over from VIP in SV around 11 p,m. And 2 other times when Cici over there alone and met me. Complete with candles, champagne and music.

So fuck yeah, if I'm feeling "pretty mother fucking far from ok" at the moment- It's because I am! We will never, ever, get this level of VIP Disneyland service back.

I mean, Can you not hear what you are saying? You're literally obsessed and completely biased. Step back and chill bro. You are literally going through some heavy withdrawal shit man.

We were the clients, they were the awesome providers. We all had good times with them but things have changed. Some of you might still be banging the infamous girls personally on the side, but seriously, who cares??

Show is over, why do we need to still talk about this dead business on the forum and get fucking mad about it? If they resurface, nice! Do let us know! If they don't, that's fine too. But let's not talk like we have some weird ass obligations to end this aggression. Let them handle their business, don't be their pawns.

[SDJaziKing-Shill for Sugars]

I too am being moderated now and was told to stop arguing with the dbags. Yes, the Dude and his clones poisoned honest discussions and yes it's not over because there is one more member with upwards of 10 handles that is worse IMO. He's easy to spot if you look back at the dialogues between him (and his 10 plus clones with Dude and his handles). I don't respond to these yahoos anymore. I will post my experiences, knowledge, respond to trusted mongers to confirm my experiences.

Like, how did you guys even notice all this? Just by doing a simple math, I come to an only conclusion; we have insanely few 'real' members who actually contribute on the forums. It's pretty fucking sad actually.

[SDJaziKing-Shill for Sugars]

if you go to VIP in Spring Valley, you risk being mugged or getting arrested.
Mr MuffMan.

Lots of other mongers (including myself) preferred NLBC location than Spring Valley, simply because it was more secured and safe location. If you really think about how reckless the whole operation was, it's actually mind blowing. Girls walking around the hallway completely naked sometimes, wearing no panties under super short dress, whole parlor sounds like a fuckfest if fully occupied and shit. While it might make you feel like you're in Disneyland of Porn to experience the sensory overload, it's extremely delusional. It was rather a SUPER risky operation. Don't get me wrong, I too was addicted to the services they offered and the beauty they provided but I'm just glad I didn't get my ass busted by LEs because the heat was getting really hot at that place. Who can I blame, I am a risk-chaser though.

And on a completely side note, they honestly got to San Diego in December and began operating like they were trying to take over the whole city LOL. Yes, the services they provided far exceeds the quality of other spas, there's no doubt about that. But if you are going to jump into an unregulated, rather illegal market, you should do your research first. I honestly think the services they provided should've cost more than $$, for the sake of preventing any competitor's reckless behavior. Competitors do pop up here and there, ALL THE TIME. What they DON'T usually do is disrupting the market price.

I mean come on, tons of mongers reported paying only $$ for a threesome as soon as they began to be noticed by us mongers. Not just a threesome but a mind-blowing threesome with insatiably beautiful Chinese girls. Can you imagine how many of other mongers got instantly interested / attracted by those posts? Try selling high grade pure cocaine for 20 bux a gram for months. I'm sure you will be found dead on the street in no time, not by cops but by other competitors. Some of you mongers call them innocent, but I got to call them naive instead. Just purely from a business perspective. Street is tough boys. If you know, you know.

[Mr MuffMan]

I can't speak for others but I seem to be attracted to, and find, the spas and women who don't want me to tell our secrets. I'm very much into UTR action.

I'm also anonymous at the spas and on this site, and have never been asked to post.

IMHO, any "report" or post that is a first hand experience and genuine I can appreciate.

It is easy to suspect any report that is grossly over the top to be a shill. For that matter any report that is leaning towards warning others about something is equally suspicious. A monger can give an honest poor report with out making it sound like a warning.

We can all apply the "YMWV" lenses to a report we read and make our own judgment as to it's validity.

Many Mongers are known by the girls by name and by their handle here, thus also making me suspicious of their motives and intent. But even if a monger knows the girls, spa owners, mms, they can still give a honest positive report that is useful. So long as it is first hand knowledge by their own experience.

One style of report that always makes me laugh are the guys who tell us where where they "plan" to go, or praise the places they have to check out, and never follow up. Or the ones who toss out a lot of names and say any one will make you happy without giving personal details of their own experiences with them. These guys are clearly shilling for a thrilling in some way.

They also tend to be the piggy back posters, who reinforce what other post. Or parrot back what others have said adding nothing new.

If someone knows the girls personally, reports positively and gets a little back, I'm okay with that so long as the report is honest.

And so long as they don't keep flooding the site with repeats, piggy back, or parrot posts.

I mostly agree with this. I would say I was a shill for VIP and NLBC, I'll admit it. My definition of a shill is someone promoting a certain business or product. But I never got anything for free, or was paid, or anything like that. I'm simply good friends with one of the owners, so I tried to help by promoting their product. Every review I did though was firsthand, 100% honest and all those girls were absolutely incredible! Many many senior members here will back me up on this, as they too had amazing experiences with these girls. I would also receive many PM's from newer mongers, thanking me for my recommendations, and telling me how they had such an incredible experience with one of the girls. So, the way I see it, I was helping out both the girls and our monger community, it was a win / win situation.

What I never do though is discourage mongers from going to other spas. And that's where I have a real problem. There are a couple mongers here (well one I guess is no longer here, although he's already resurfacing with new handles. And we all know who the other one is and his 10+ handles. And yes, IMO, it's TWO different people), who literally would say things like, if you go to VIP in Spring Valley, you risk being mugged or getting arrested. What the hell is that? And one of these "mongers" conspired with the "competition" to commit criminal acts and leveled false accusations against them with the authorities (we have proof of this). So yeah, that's kinda where I draw the line.

Mr MuffMan.

[RChangDatyKing]

I was told to stop "arguing" with those clones or I would be moderated. And that was the first month one of the clones appeared on the board. First question that hit me when I saw the notice of the removal, "how do you know which clone he is"? What I do know about websites is this. Every time you visit a site, your IP address, Device Name, User name, etc are captured in a log. What the public can't see in a post is the IP Address of the poster. Doesn't take much to gather data on the IP Address and associate it with a User then check the email address of that user. That's all part of the backend of this system. Easy to track people.

Now that I wake up every morning to bacon and can't but wonder of these admins are going to start researching and see if these new clones go back to a dude. Geolocation will certainly help them. No, this is not over by a long shot.

Agreed. That Dude and his many clones effectively poisoned honest discussion here with self-serving disinformation. I'm now "moderated" because I dared to question the integrity of one such clone. So be it. Sure, we can all "just get along" so long as we all play fair. I think it was allowed tonfester for far too long. And its not over yet by a long shot.

I too am being moderated now and was told to stop arguing with the dbags. Yes, the Dude and his clones poisoned honest discussions and yes it's not over because there is one more member with upwards of 10 handles that is worse IMO. He's easy to spot if you look back at the dialogues between him (and his 10 plus clones with Dude and his handles). I don't respond to these yahoos anymore. I will post my experiences, knowledge, respond to trusted mongers to confirm my experiences.