"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**EscortReview89** · 07-23-22 19:31

Originally Posted by RogerOver [View Original Post]

ECCIE is a fucking shithole. Has some of the most angry and delusional mongers out there. Since the chicks post it's nothing but a drama-filled echo chamber with an equal number of white knights. Only useful for reading and laughing.

We are just as bad, the girls aren't here but they talk through their johns, since we are literally johns.

**EscortReview89** · 07-23-22 19:30

Originally Posted by FarFarAway [View Original Post]

Sorry, Mr. ER89, I don't think you get to define what people do here. And in particular, I think if you are in the habit of passing girls around that you've FCed with, you're really just a glorified monger. All of your high and mighty stuff about the right way to treat SBs, but then wanting to get a menu and prices from other guys? That is just escort world. Even if UTR.

If a girl has a menu, she is an escort. If a girl has a time limit, she is an escort. There are escorts on SA to be sure, and if that is the experience you want, go for it, "hun". It isn't the reason I am on SA, and I have a good reason to be here without that.

This is a de facto national sugar baby thread. Many people who aren't in Richmond post here. So I never would seek intel about a profile from someone here, because I am 3000 miles away.

I never said anything about being the nice guy or the good guy, we are really all the villains here. I'm not defining anything, I'm just calling about behavior that doesn't help the collective. What counts as passing? Several people brag about giving out the girls personal numbers, I don't do that, if you want intel on a profile sure, the menu, cost, and key details to help someone out I don't mind sharing that. "glorified monger" that describes nearly everyone here, at least I don't lord money over them like several senior members that cried to the mods / admins about getting called on stealthing, which is a crime. " then wanting to get a menu and prices from other guys?" you mean what 90% of the board is, that's literally every board in each state asking those questions and posting the girls profile, and people doxing them via arrest records like look in the mirror and do some self reflection, we aren't the heros we try to act as.

SB are escorts, with more steps. Don't kid yourself. You are a John, and they are escorts.

This is to all of us not a particular member

**Round 3** · 07-23-22 12:29

Originally Posted by CandyMan555 [View Original Post]

I had the discount offer on my phone show up but when I went to use it later I could not find it.

Any ideas Thanks CM.

Those 20 and 25 percent offers pop up randomly. I might get it 3 or 4 times a day and then its a few days later before another one pops up. The thing is you have to use right then, you get off the payment page showing the discount, it's gone. If you have an old profile you haven't used in ages, it will usually show the discount when you log on. I keep two profiles and have switched between them keep the discounts going.

**CandyMan555** · 07-23-22 11:03

I had the discount offer on my phone show up but when I went to use it later I could not find it.

Any ideas Thanks CM.

**SBmidlo** · 07-22-22 17:11

Originally Posted by Round3 [View Original Post]

She has been discussed here and on the Roanoke board. Gets you to take her shopping and then dashes. If you do get her to a hotel room she will do a lame handjob saying she is on her period. She did it to me last year when I thought I was smart enough to not get ripped off.

https://members.seeking.com/member/b...d-5948ec6413d4

That's when you call their bluff and tell them you're not afraid of a bloody dick! Throw some bath towels down and go at it. She probably would have come up with some other bullshit excuse though.

**GutterMind4** · 07-21-22 18:49

She blocked me when the pic I sent had my face blurred. Didn't even give a chance to send another (I wouldn't have but). All the signs of a scammer or catfish but someone reviewed her. Don't spend too much time trying to find out the truth unless you've gone through the entire SA membership, LOL.

Originally Posted by DickLongwood [View Original Post]

I like a woman who has several toys on her Wishlist! Good luck!

**Round 3** · 07-21-22 08:50

She has been discussed here and on the Roanoke board. Gets you to take her shopping and then dashes. If you do get her to a hotel room she will do a lame handjob saying she is on her period. She did it to me last year when I thought I was smart enough to not get ripped off.

https://members.seeking.com/member/b...d-5948ec6413d4

**Berol Loz** · 07-20-22 22:57

Originally Posted by PartyTimeGuy [View Original Post]

...If you're planning on truly getting the girl you must become the girl. Find out what her interests are, her style, sense of humor, likes and dislikes, and other things that make her her. That way she may feel comfortable when you approach her. Then mimic and compliment her voice and other traits with yours.

If you want see fantastic flirting in action between an older guy and a younger girl, see these YouTube clips. Many, many hot young actresses admit that they would sleep with Craig Ferguson in a second. Craig just turned 60. Watch the master at work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB5iRXjkTOw

Thanks for this advice, BTW those videos are great.

**TheHobbyLobby** · 07-20-22 19:00

Originally Posted by ErnestLl [View Original Post]

https://members.seeking.com/member/f...4-6d46d45f8867 - prettier than pictured, but sizing accurate. More average than athletic. Not her first rodeo, fine with brief M&G before playtime, open minded and will work up to freaky. Lists RVA because she ranges from the valley to VAB for work and family $ = YMMV.

https://members.seeking.com/member/6...9-a12d251be93d - NOT in RVA. Very restrictive schedule. Lives with BF but likes strange and like $$ more.

https://members.seeking.com/member/5...1-1da6367777bd - not in RVA. Moving from L'burg to get away from bad BF. Has to bring 1 yo with her to FC!

On the first one I askher her if we could do a M&G and she said yes but wanted to get paid just for that. So I passed.

**TheHobbyLobby** · 07-20-22 18:56

Originally Posted by ErnestLl [View Original Post]

I have also contacted all of these wome and I too haven't heard from them. I see they read my email but cricketrs. I am seeing so many of these situations. But this has been the most I've had seen.

**GutterMind4** · 07-20-22 14:01

Well stated, and I also agree paying for m&Gs are overrated. But to your point, when used appropriately, can yield better results. I too lack the time and freedom, however, would be broke if I had more time and freedom. So I think I'm living in a sweet spot of the three variables. Occasional business travel, infrequent time on apps or web, and just enough money to blow once, maybe twice a month. I used to offer to meet first (not pay) in hopes my looks and charm would get me a lower ppm. The good news is, when they decline the need for M&G, they are either fake or DTF. I can typically weed out the fakes and scams from there. If it's reasonable, I'll consider paying but, because of my time constraints, I'll only chase IG model types that I'm willing to take the risk in light of the reward. BTW, average girls have hundreds of messages each day. So if the hot ones take the time to respond, they're probably fake, so observe all the red flags but don't give up the ghost until you confirm fake. When I got into this part of mongering, I gave a girl 2 bills to meet for drinks (stupid even for me). She showed up smoking ass, bikini model hot but I didn't have time to go back to her place. Her ppm was 5 but she knocked off the 2 when I stopped by the following week. I would never do that again but, I have found that we are just the next one on the hook. If we don't someone will. The race, hotness, and experience of the girl will dictate this to a large degree also but there are enough girl next door types that don't require all the M&G and, if so, shouldn't charge for it. If you are attracted to one that requires a meet, even for a few bucks, I'm not turned off unless they want it prepaid / cash app. I say I'm willing to pay in person and upon completion of our agreed time (lunch or a couplemof drinks). I almost always know what the ppm is at this point to ensure they aren't suffering from GPS.

Originally Posted by HarryMcHardon [View Original Post]

Thanks for the inputs. The thing is, in 4 of the 5 times I've done it, a cock was indeed sucked. The most important cock, which is mine. LOL. But overall guess it really depends on what your limiting resource is in attracting sugarbabies. $ is a factor, yes, but my main limitation is time / timing / freedom.

But I've done enough RTFF'ing here to realize the wall of solidarity opposing paying at a M&G so I know I'm spittin in the wind here. Fair enough, you make good point and maybe overall it's not a healthy practice, especially if used indiscriminately ot done to meet a POTs requirement. If a POT requires it, it's a red flag in my view and I would pass, and have in the past. The times I'v'e done it, I have done it of my own volition to kickstart things.

Many senior SDs here groan when they see someone paying for a M&G, but that doesn't really bother me. But it's my turn to groan when I see a SD write "I took her out for a M&G and we ate, drank, had fun, fucked all night, drank in the morning, fucked, watched the sun rise, fucked again, and when it was done, I gave her a tattered $50 from my wallet and she was OK with it! And she sucked my cock one more time and gurgled thank you!! Before she left! All she wanted was attention and to be taken out! I'm at a huge competitive disadvantage vs these SDs. Ya spend time or money! It's all about perspective!

Now does springing $50 here and there discriminately get me where those SDs are? Of course not, I still have no time nor freedom but at least it swings the scales for a M&G and it's up to me from there. And I generally wind M&Gs so sometimes I see it as a good investment. I'd only still do it in a small percentage of M&Gs though and the onely thing I may change based on this exchange is to offer a gift card or maybe reduce to $25.

**Ernest Ll** · 07-20-22 11:57

Originally Posted by HarryMcHardon [View Original Post]

Now does springing $50 here and there discriminately get me where those SDs are? Of course not, I still have no time nor freedom but at least it swings the scales for a M&G and it's up to me from there. And I generally wind M&Gs so sometimes I see it as a good investment. I'd only still do it in a small percentage of M&Gs though and the onely thing I may change based on this exchange is to offer a gift card or maybe reduce to $25.

I have more $$ than time, but I recognize the slippery slope of cash M&G. I always bring an "in-kind" gift to a M&G -- usually something of $25 - $50 in value. Usually costs me nothing since I have a connection that gives me samples and other freebies. Makes a great impression, but also sets me up for "showcase showdown of cash and prizes" instead of a straight cash allowance. College girls / struggling young professionals love the luxury and minimizing transactionality.

Also, stop by Sam's Club. They sell 4 packs of $25 gift cards at a 15% discount to many retailers.

**HarryMcHardon** · 07-19-22 22:28

Originally Posted by ErnestLl [View Original Post]

Because POTs can't pay rent with dinner. If everyone gave them $50 for showing up for a M&G, they could make rent or student loan payments going on a few paid M&G a month and never have to suck a cock, and can go home and have Ramen for dinner. Giving them something they can't afford / wouldn't otherwise spend the money on is a luxury for them and makes them feel appreciated, and doesn't really give them something of value OUTSIDE of a sugar arrangement. I've given girls $20 lipsticks which blew their minds because they buy $7 ones, and they know the difference. But they'd never spend the extra $13.

Its called arbitrage. Try it sometime.

Thanks for the inputs. The thing is, in 4 of the 5 times I've done it, a cock was indeed sucked. The most important cock, which is mine. LOL. But overall guess it really depends on what your limiting resource is in attracting sugarbabies. $ is a factor, yes, but my main limitation is time / timing / freedom.

But I've done enough RTFF'ing here to realize the wall of solidarity opposing paying at a M&G so I know I'm spittin in the wind here. Fair enough, you make good point and maybe overall it's not a healthy practice, especially if used indiscriminately ot done to meet a POTs requirement. If a POT requires it, it's a red flag in my view and I would pass, and have in the past. The times I'v'e done it, I have done it of my own volition to kickstart things.

Many senior SDs here groan when they see someone paying for a M&G, but that doesn't really bother me. But it's my turn to groan when I see a SD write "I took her out for a M&G and we ate, drank, had fun, fucked all night, drank in the morning, fucked, watched the sun rise, fucked again, and when it was done, I gave her a tattered $50 from my wallet and she was OK with it! And she sucked my cock one more time and gurgled thank you!! Before she left! All she wanted was attention and to be taken out! I'm at a huge competitive disadvantage vs these SDs. Ya spend time or money! It's all about perspective!

Now does springing $50 here and there – discriminately – get me where those SDs are? Of course not, I still have no time nor freedom but at least it swings the scales for a M&G and it's up to me from there. And I generally wind M&Gs so sometimes I see it as a good investment. I'd only still do it in a small percentage of M&Gs though and the onely thing I may change based on this exchange is to offer a gift card or maybe reduce to $25.

**DoggieFan** · 07-19-22 17:58

Originally Posted by PPJones [View Original Post]

Nah. I'm not from your area, but from what I've read, you did it right. You set the two of them up. WITH a SET price. If dude was a stand up guy, he would have honored that price. Plain and simple. Everyone knows an SB is YMMV, even more so than a regular provider.

The way I see it, dude was trying to take advantage of your kindness AND her. I don't blame ya for feeling slighted.

I've shared many a girl. SB's AND workers, alike. And RARELY do I get the thanks that I would give. 90% is the time, something negative comes off it. I haven't figured out the reasoning for it, but I can say, I've backed off in my sharing. For one, 98% senior members. But it seems like that's not even enough. Need to screen and develop a repor, just as much as developing a repor with the girls. Even more so with an SB.

I hope your sour experience doesn't stop you from sharing and helping others, only hones your technique!

Good luck, happy hunting and stay safe!

Thanks for the support & kind words. Wish you were in Richmond, would definitely grab a beer with you & talk shop. You definitely get it!

**RogerOver** · 07-19-22 16:23

Originally Posted by EscortReview89 [View Original Post]

If the girl has as rule about cover usage, and you think it's "game" to get them to forget that you didn't actively put it on or worse try and hide that, that's kind of fucked, and if you are getting a girl for say 300 but tell other guys that she is 400 or whatever that's not helping the board, that's boosting GPS and helping yourself. If you are seeing a girl for X you should be setting up others to see the girl for the same amount or if a girl changes her amount and you really care and want to help then meet them at their new amount.

It's wild you act like you care about them then say shit like, get them to forget the cover or just get them not to notice you didn't wear it, that's so straight up fucked if you know that's a rule and actively don't tell them that you aren't wearing one.

Since I'm on a soapbox if you or any SD talk them down from a set price because they are desperate and need the money at that moment to make rent or whatever, that not caring that's taking advantage. Like it's amazing the self delusion this board has, at least ECCIE we all worked together and had a system. This board is literally "seniors" trying to get kick backs from the girls and cheaper rates for themselves by up selling these same girls to "junior" members while getting a cheaper rate and simping /white knighting, or just straight up lying.

You were the same dude on this board that said if you can't afford SA you can be an SD but also said we should talk the girls down on rates....if you can't afford rates maybe don't be an SD either, like it's wild the cognitive dissidence this board has about who and what we are.

Yes

ECCIE is a fucking shithole. Has some of the most angry and delusional mongers out there. Since the chicks post it's nothing but a drama-filled echo chamber with an equal number of white knights. Only useful for reading and laughing.