"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**HarryMcHardon** · 07-19-22 22:28

Originally Posted by ErnestLl [View Original Post]

Because POTs can't pay rent with dinner. If everyone gave them $50 for showing up for a M&G, they could make rent or student loan payments going on a few paid M&G a month and never have to suck a cock, and can go home and have Ramen for dinner. Giving them something they can't afford / wouldn't otherwise spend the money on is a luxury for them and makes them feel appreciated, and doesn't really give them something of value OUTSIDE of a sugar arrangement. I've given girls $20 lipsticks which blew their minds because they buy $7 ones, and they know the difference. But they'd never spend the extra $13.

Its called arbitrage. Try it sometime.

Thanks for the inputs. The thing is, in 4 of the 5 times I've done it, a cock was indeed sucked. The most important cock, which is mine. LOL. But overall guess it really depends on what your limiting resource is in attracting sugarbabies. $ is a factor, yes, but my main limitation is time / timing / freedom.

But I've done enough RTFF'ing here to realize the wall of solidarity opposing paying at a M&G so I know I'm spittin in the wind here. Fair enough, you make good point and maybe overall it's not a healthy practice, especially if used indiscriminately ot done to meet a POTs requirement. If a POT requires it, it's a red flag in my view and I would pass, and have in the past. The times I'v'e done it, I have done it of my own volition to kickstart things.

Many senior SDs here groan when they see someone paying for a M&G, but that doesn't really bother me. But it's my turn to groan when I see a SD write "I took her out for a M&G and we ate, drank, had fun, fucked all night, drank in the morning, fucked, watched the sun rise, fucked again, and when it was done, I gave her a tattered $50 from my wallet and she was OK with it! And she sucked my cock one more time and gurgled thank you!! Before she left! All she wanted was attention and to be taken out! I'm at a huge competitive disadvantage vs these SDs. Ya spend time or money! It's all about perspective!

Now does springing $50 here and there – discriminately – get me where those SDs are? Of course not, I still have no time nor freedom but at least it swings the scales for a M&G and it's up to me from there. And I generally wind M&Gs so sometimes I see it as a good investment. I'd only still do it in a small percentage of M&Gs though and the onely thing I may change based on this exchange is to offer a gift card or maybe reduce to $25.

**DoggieFan** · 07-19-22 17:58

Originally Posted by PPJones [View Original Post]

Nah. I'm not from your area, but from what I've read, you did it right. You set the two of them up. WITH a SET price. If dude was a stand up guy, he would have honored that price. Plain and simple. Everyone knows an SB is YMMV, even more so than a regular provider.

The way I see it, dude was trying to take advantage of your kindness AND her. I don't blame ya for feeling slighted.

I've shared many a girl. SB's AND workers, alike. And RARELY do I get the thanks that I would give. 90% is the time, something negative comes off it. I haven't figured out the reasoning for it, but I can say, I've backed off in my sharing. For one, 98% senior members. But it seems like that's not even enough. Need to screen and develop a repor, just as much as developing a repor with the girls. Even more so with an SB.

I hope your sour experience doesn't stop you from sharing and helping others, only hones your technique!

Good luck, happy hunting and stay safe!

Thanks for the support & kind words. Wish you were in Richmond, would definitely grab a beer with you & talk shop. You definitely get it!

**RogerOver** · 07-19-22 16:23

Originally Posted by EscortReview89 [View Original Post]

If the girl has as rule about cover usage, and you think it's "game" to get them to forget that you didn't actively put it on or worse try and hide that, that's kind of fucked, and if you are getting a girl for say 300 but tell other guys that she is 400 or whatever that's not helping the board, that's boosting GPS and helping yourself. If you are seeing a girl for X you should be setting up others to see the girl for the same amount or if a girl changes her amount and you really care and want to help then meet them at their new amount.

It's wild you act like you care about them then say shit like, get them to forget the cover or just get them not to notice you didn't wear it, that's so straight up fucked if you know that's a rule and actively don't tell them that you aren't wearing one.

Since I'm on a soapbox if you or any SD talk them down from a set price because they are desperate and need the money at that moment to make rent or whatever, that not caring that's taking advantage. Like it's amazing the self delusion this board has, at least ECCIE we all worked together and had a system. This board is literally "seniors" trying to get kick backs from the girls and cheaper rates for themselves by up selling these same girls to "junior" members while getting a cheaper rate and simping /white knighting, or just straight up lying.

You were the same dude on this board that said if you can't afford SA you can be an SD but also said we should talk the girls down on rates....if you can't afford rates maybe don't be an SD either, like it's wild the cognitive dissidence this board has about who and what we are.

Yes

ECCIE is a fucking shithole. Has some of the most angry and delusional mongers out there. Since the chicks post it's nothing but a drama-filled echo chamber with an equal number of white knights. Only useful for reading and laughing.

**Ernest Ll** · 07-19-22 15:06

https://members.seeking.com/member/f...4-6d46d45f8867 - prettier than pictured, but sizing accurate. More average than athletic. Not her first rodeo, fine with brief M&G before playtime, open minded and will work up to freaky. Lists RVA because she ranges from the valley to VAB for work and family $ = YMMV.

https://members.seeking.com/member/6...9-a12d251be93d - NOT in RVA. Very restrictive schedule. Lives with BF but likes strange and like $$ more.

https://members.seeking.com/member/5...1-1da6367777bd - not in RVA. Moving from L'burg to get away from bad BF. Has to bring 1 yo with her to FC!

**Ernest Ll** · 07-19-22 14:56

**FarFarAway** · 07-19-22 12:30

Originally Posted by EscortReview89 [View Original Post]

That's like the most important part, rates, menu, what they will do for what price, oh she said no to x, homie let me help you she does x and y for like 350 don't like these girls play you and real SD don't like other SDs get played or taken for a ride that's why we have this site.

Sorry, Mr. ER89, I don't think you get to define what people do here. And in particular, I think if you are in the habit of passing girls around that you've FCed with, you're really just a glorified monger. All of your high and mighty stuff about the right way to treat SBs, but then wanting to get a menu and prices from other guys? That is just escort world. Even if UTR.

If a girl has a menu, she is an escort. If a girl has a time limit, she is an escort. There are escorts on SA to be sure, and if that is the experience you want, go for it, "hun". It isn't the reason I am on SA, and I have a good reason to be here without that.

This is a de facto national sugar baby thread. Many people who aren't in Richmond post here. So I never would seek intel about a profile from someone here, because I am 3000 miles away.

**EscortReview89** · 07-19-22 07:46

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**PPJones** · 07-19-22 02:07

Originally Posted by DoggieFan [View Original Post]

I set his ass up & he blew it. Thanks for educating me on what the board is for. Believe me he was going to get more than his moneys worth. But he pissed her off by trying to go $100 less than she agreed to. As far as what they do, it depends a lot on the guy & if he has any game, enough skills to get them to forget the cover. That's where YMMV comes in.

Guess I just need to keep sharing with a select few. No good deed goes unpunished. Now I have to be preached at to boot?

Nah. I'm not from your area, but from what I've read, you did it right. You set the two of them up. WITH a SET price. If dude was a stand up guy, he would have honored that price. Plain and simple. Everyone knows an SB is YMMV, even more so than a regular provider.

The way I see it, dude was trying to take advantage of your kindness AND her. I don't blame ya for feeling slighted.

I've shared many a girl. SB's AND workers, alike. And RARELY do I get the thanks that I would give. 90% is the time, something negative comes off it. I haven't figured out the reasoning for it, but I can say, I've backed off in my sharing. For one, 98% senior members. But it seems like that's not even enough. Need to screen and develop a repor, just as much as developing a repor with the girls. Even more so with an SB.

I hope your sour experience doesn't stop you from sharing and helping others, only hones your technique!

Good luck, happy hunting and stay safe!

**TheHobbyLobby** · 07-18-22 19:23

Originally Posted by LikItFun [View Original Post]

Did a no-cost coffee M&G with her in Jan 2020. Pics are accurate. We had our arrangement all set up and set a day for our next date--300 PPM, 3-4 x a month. She sent a few nudes and a video, and things seemed great. Day of our date, she told me she wasn't interested any more. At least she told me.

Yeah, she told me that she wanted to get paid just for M&G. I laughed. When are these b!tches going to get it. I have got to assume that stupid idiots are actually paying. I mean how often are you going to keep asking for money for M&G before you realize that no one is going to bite. Unless someone is.

**DoggieFan** · 07-18-22 18:55

Originally Posted by EscortReview89 [View Original Post]

That's like the most important part, rates, menu, what they will do for what price, oh she said no to x, homie let me help you she does x and y for like 350 don't like these girls play you and real SD don't like other SDs get played or taken for a ride that's why we have this site.

I set his ass up & he blew it. Thanks for educating me on what the board is for. Believe me he was going to get more than his moneys worth. But he pissed her off by trying to go $100 less than she agreed to. As far as what they do, it depends a lot on the guy & if he has any game, enough skills to get them to forget the cover. That's where YMMV comes in.

Guess I just need to keep sharing with a select few. No good deed goes unpunished. Now I have to be preached at to boot?

**LikItFun** · 07-18-22 18:32

Originally Posted by BStreet [View Original Post]

She wanted to meet and so I suggested an initial meet and greet for coffee or a drink and she said that would be $150 for that. I said just to talk. She said yes, so I said no. Good luck with her, she obviously values all her time.

Did a no-cost coffee M&G with her in Jan 2020. Pics are accurate. We had our arrangement all set up and set a day for our next date--300 PPM, 3-4 x a month. She sent a few nudes and a video, and things seemed great. Day of our date, she told me she wasn't interested any more. At least she told me.

**EscortReview89** · 07-18-22 18:31

Originally Posted by DoggieFan [View Original Post]

So he's all set, I bow out because I have learned not to share how much time, rounds, what she allows, etc. Not like I'm going to screw him!

That's like the most important part, rates, menu, what they will do for what price, oh she said no to x, homie let me help you she does x and y for like 350 don't like these girls play you and real SD don't like other SDs get played or taken for a ride that's why we have this site.

**FarFarAway** · 07-18-22 17:32

Originally Posted by ErnestLl [View Original Post]

Because POTs can't pay rent with dinner. If everyone gave them $50 for showing up for a M&G, they could make rent or student loan payments going on a few paid M&G a month and never have to suck a cock, and can go home and have Ramen for dinner. Giving them something they can't afford / wouldn't otherwise spend the money on is a luxury for them and makes them feel appreciated, and doesn't really give them something of value OUTSIDE of a sugar arrangement. I've given girls $20 lipsticks which blew their minds because they buy $7 ones, and they know the difference. But they'd never spend the extra $13.

Its called arbitrage. Try it sometime.

One of my most common gifts to give a girl at a successful M&G is a $25 Sephora gift card. It lets me flatter them ("All pretty girls like you like makeup") when I give it, and is a way to treat themselves they would not otherwise do. These are widely available, in groceries, pharmacies, etc. I will also give a gift card at the FC if there is some leeway in the allowance. For example, someone I am seeing asked 4-500 for allowance, I gave her 400 but also a $50 gift card from Victoria Secret (also available all over). The grocery store bouquet is also a tried and true thing to give that makes them feel like they are dates, not pros.

In looking at the gift list SA offers students, I willl often see girls who pick all of the boxes of fancy candy. IDK what people typically do if they wanted to play into that. Around Easter you can give them a Lindt chocolate bunny. While I prefer dark chocolate, my non-scientific poll has SBs preferring mild chocolate.

**DoggieFan** · 07-18-22 11:56

So, I got a PM from a Daddy in Nova asking about a Baby I see here. She has a few regulars but lately I seem to be the only one seeing her on the reg.

I have hooked up a few, but all have been at least 2 hours away to 4 hours away. Doesn't add up to another regular. So I run interference for this guy. Was very clear her allowance is $300, non negotiable. That's a bargain for Nova & DC. Fat, ugly 40 plus year olds are getting $400 plus. The Baby market is so over inflated their I stopped trying up that way about 6 months ago.

So he's all set, I bow out because I have learned not to share how much time, rounds, what she allows, etc. Not like I'm going to screw him!

Well then Saturday night I start getting texts from her that he's being really demanding & arrogant, that he's wanting to pay $200 & said I never told him she was $300, freak'n liar. She said when they talked on the phone that you could hear the arrogance & concede in his voice.

Moral of the story, if you ask me to hook you up & agree to a Babies allowance, don't be a cheap dick head. PornHub, lube & Kleenex were invented for assholes like him.

I have no problem with negotiating with someone you find on your own. Put don't have me set the table for you just to take a steaming shat on it! Can you guys see why so many SMS have stopped sharing here yet?

**Ernest Ll** · 07-18-22 10:08

Originally Posted by HarryMcHardon [View Original Post]

On average, maybe, but not an absolute. Markets are markets. What makes up the "market" is a culmination of participants' behaviours, and like it or not, paying to get the attention of certain SBs is part of the market if participants are able and see the need to do so.

I don't have a problem paying $50 for a M&G periodically. Especially if I'm not springing for anything else at the meet. What's the difference between coughing up $50 cash vs. Springing for drinks and / or dinner, or other entertainment, which most the time these daze would amount to $50+?. Guys here talk about taking a POT our for dinner / drinks and nobody seems to be against that

Because POTs can't pay rent with dinner. If everyone gave them $50 for showing up for a M&G, they could make rent or student loan payments going on a few paid M&G a month and never have to suck a cock, and can go home and have Ramen for dinner. Giving them something they can't afford / wouldn't otherwise spend the money on is a luxury for them and makes them feel appreciated, and doesn't really give them something of value OUTSIDE of a sugar arrangement. I've given girls $20 lipsticks which blew their minds because they buy $7 ones, and they know the difference. But they'd never spend the extra $13.

Its called arbitrage. Try it sometime.