Sugar Babies & Arrangements

[Creideiki]

That list, originally posted in the Richmond VA forum, is a great guide. I'm in Sarasota, and I've managed to do pretty well in my first foray into this world. I need to highlight one of the rules:

<blockquote> 8. Never accept a date where a "gay friend" or "sister" shows up with her "for her safety. " This is a hustler, a dinner who're who wants to treat her buddy or her pimp to a restaurant meal at your expense, or shake you down in some other way. If a normal girl were really concerned about her safety, she would not agree to meet you under any circumstance. </blockquote> .

The one bad date (out of four) pulled this on me, after showing up for the date almost an hour and a half late (other lesson: if they're that late, tell them it's off). She did not announce she was bringing someone, whom she billed as her "sister," beforehand. Luckily for me, the place we met at had already closed for the night! We had about a 15 minute conversation. She wanted to talk business straight out of the gate, and I was unwilling to meet her terms. The whole thing lasted no more than 15 minutes. My cost was for drinks she didn't consume, so not ideal, but far less bad than it could have been.

I did a couple of PPMs early on with women who turned out to be friendly but not exactly as attractive as their profile would have you believe; as a result, I no longer do PPM on a M&G, ever. If they're not willing to meet those terms, I move on.

The other three first dates I had were good ones. I found I had much more success with women closer to my age (I'm in my 60's and reasonably fit) than the twentysomethings; the latter tend to either flake, text unreliably, or demand PPMs right out of the gate. Two of the three good dates didn't go to second dates, but one of my contacts invited me to keep her digits in case I wanted company for a cultural event. She's 50 but very attractive, so I may take her up on that when concerts / plays start again this fall.

One I dated led to becoming an actual SB, whom I've seen about once a week. We relate real well because we have many common interests and the sex has been amazing. All she wants is occasional help with groceries; in one case I helped her with a veterinary bill. It's very nominal and for the quality of relationship and sex, it's a steal. The monthly membership was money well spent!

[RockyR]

I saw this on another forum and it's perfect. The only thing I'd add is to never discuss $ on the site. Get a phone number and take it offline. The new seeking rules will get you banned for discussing $.

This is a cross post I've shared in the Los Angeles sugar thread, seeing so many scammer related posts here. These are some basic guidelines for newer SDs to save time and money, remain safe, and increase your chances of success:

1. Never send any money before meeting. Not. One. Cent. Only scammers will ever ask for money before meeting. Never accept "online arrangements until we can meet," or send money "to show that you're serious," or fall for sob stories about overdue bills or emergency car repairs, etc.

2. Never pay for a meet and greet: no play, no pay. Anyone who demands this is a scammer and a hustler, no ordinary girl or experienced sugar baby will request this. Your time is far more valuable than that of any entitled bottom feeder.

3. Should the profile not have any full body pictures, or use all sorts of wacky filters, request unedited full body photos or a video call before meeting. Fatties and fuglies will zoom in on their face and use deceptive angles and filters to conceal how gross they truly are. Don't let an overfed catfish waste your time.

4. Set expectations ahead of time, be clear and confident about what you are looking for. Never settle for less, or allow her to move the goal posts. Girls appreciate clarity and your direction.

5. Don't get stuck on any one chick, expecting her to be "the one. " Many girls can be fickle, and may disappear without notice. Always keep more in the pipeline.

6. Make sure to tell your potential SB that "you are looking for a regular connection with someone that appreciates you and wants to make you happy, someone who will do whatever it takes to please you. " This is to ensure she gives it her all. Whether you actually intend to continue seeing her is up to you, but this keeps away time wasters and discourages bad lays.

7. Meet & greets should be in a setting with an easy out, preferably a casual public setting. Meet for coffee / tea, ice cream, or drinks. A sit down lunch or dinner can be awkward if a fat and / or ugly chick shows up, or if the girl turns out to be a rude pig with a nasty attitude. You select the place to meet: don't have a gold digger or rinser drag you to a high end restaurant, or a rob direct you to a place where your defenses are neutralized.

8. Never accept a date where a "gay friend" or "sister" shows up with her "for her safety. " This is a hustler, a dinner who're who wants to treat her buddy or her pimp to a restaurant meal at your expense, or shake you down in some other way. If a normal girl were really concerned about her safety, she would not agree to meet you under any circumstance.

9. Do not engage in altercations or arguments with scammers, hustlers, rinsers, dinner WGs or any other bottom feeders when messaging or texting. They may retaliate by reporting you to the site under false pretenses, and try to get you suspended or banned. Simply stop engaging them, report them if inclined to do so, and move on to the next POT.

10. Don't be afraid to discuss expectations beforehand, but move the conversation off site as soon as you can. Use neutral terms on the site, and at the beginning of texting to avoid bans and suspensions. Once the girl demonstrates she's DTF, be as transparent as you like.

11. Never pay any cash at the beginning of the date. Always after visiting the FC to avoid cash and dash, or bait and switch situations.

12. Keep talking and texting to an efficient minimum, moving the conversation to an in-person date as soon as you can. Otherwise momentum will be lost, and time wasted. Your POT is getting countless offers, and will accept someone else's proposal if you don't retain her interest.

13. You call the shots, you set the terms, this is your arrangement. You are a sugar daddy, not a trick. There are more prostitutes on the site since FOSTA made it harder for them to operate elsewhere, but never let them set the tone. Never accept a prostitute's rules, or more specifically, her pimp's rules. If she drops escort terminology or rules, don't engage her, or risk being banned. Keep her in the streets of Skid Row for the chumps.

14. Remain tenacious and alert: online dating can be a minefield, but there are still gems to be found. Trust your instincts: if something feels off, it probably is. If things feel great, keep a guarded optimism until reaching the FC.

15. Last but definitely not least: Have fun and stay positive!! Approach each interaction on its own terms. Have a friendly and approachable profile: use well lit photos of you in a number of interesting environments or engaging in entertaining activities. Have fully filled out sections in coherent sentences that convey your personality and what you're looking for in very general, easy to understand terms. Any negativity or complaints in your profile can deter a connection with quality girls. Keeping a comfortable, playful environment and good vibes in every step of your interaction with your POT will increase your chances of success.

Feel free to share more tips on this thread. Also be sure to check out the Richmond, Virginia Sugar Baby threads, which have contributors from around the country sharing their best tips. Good luck!

[RockyR]

So met someone on SA after they favorited my profile. Got to talking and they immediately gave me their number then told me they offer second five zero for a ppm. Sounds good and all but how do I know she's real? Also her area code for her phone says it's an Atlanta area code.

If she asks for money before you meet she's scamming you. Never, ever pay before you meet no matter what the sob story is. I found a great cross post on the Orlando forum. I'll try to post it here.

[VloneCarti]

So met someone on SA after they favorited my profile. Got to talking and they immediately gave me their number then told me they offer second five zero for a ppm. Sounds good and all but how do I know she's real? Also her area code for her phone says it's an Atlanta area code.

[BobXX99]

Hey, new to the sugardaddy game! What's the site everyone is calling "SA".

I'd love to join, but I can't seem to figure out the site everyone's talking about. Please feel free to PM if you can't post the link here.

Thanks! .

Seeking Arrangements.

[Bleeder666]

Wits happen to me twice nice because girls will write "PPM" which is a big no no. You have to but the prepaid visa gift cards and use a fake name. Only way I figured out. So stupid and sucks.

Hey, new to the sugardaddy game! What's the site everyone is calling "SA".

I'd love to join, but I can't seem to figure out the site everyone's talking about. Please feel free to PM if you can't post the link here.

Thanks! .

[Eagle7415]

Wits happen to me twice nice because girls will write "PPM" which is a big no no. You have to but the prepaid visa gift cards and use a fake name. Only way I figured out. So stupid and sucks.

Brothers, I got banned in Feb, some dumb gal in your area got me to talk about $! Never do it.

How I got back on:

1. get a new email account (I use gmail) with no phone number. Actually try to set up 2 email accounts, I used outlook for one and then gmail with another. Always use fake names.

2. I got a new laptop, but you may try with your smart phone my iphone works for checking the site but I set up the new account on my new laptop.

3. Went to publix and bought a 50-500 loadable card loaded 280 on it because I wanted Diamond membership for a month.

4. Use my neighbors address when I entered info, but my fake name matched my gmail address fake name.

Note: I created a SA profile back in April with my fake gmail address but I never loaded a pic or completed my bio, but it gave me access to check out all the ladies in the areas I visit regularly. The above actually buying the gift card and completing bio and pic.

Was 7 days ago and I've had no problem communicating with the ladies, actually getting ready to meet a gal tonight I met this week on the site. Get off of the site as soon as you feel like it may be a legit lady in order to talk gifts-LOL.

[Eagle7415]

Has anyone ever hooked up with anyone on the sugardaddy.com site? I spent some coin to get a private photo's and chat and then after access, nothing. Seems to be a scam. Any better sites out there?

Very little real SB's. IMHO it's a waste of coins.

[MichTransplant]

Has anyone ever hooked up with anyone on the sugardaddy.com site? I spent some coin to get a private photo's and chat and then after access, nothing. Seems to be a scam. Any better sites out there?

[Aajj830]

I got banned on SA, fell victim for their tactics which I should have done my homework. I created a new account and tried to upgrade using a different card of mine but no luck. Any ideas on how to upgrade the account? Thanks in advance.

Wits happen to me twice nice because girls will write "PPM" which is a big no no. You have to but the prepaid visa gift cards and use a fake name. Only way I figured out. So stupid and sucks.

[RockyR]

Hey guys so just yesterday I found out that this girl from cuddle comfort that I've had a session with before is now on SA. Was pretty shocked when I saw her profile. Need advice on how I should proceed. Should I mention that I saw her on SA and ask if she offers any extra services or should I just keep quiet about it and continue to just see her over time and hope eventually she will be down to do more stuff with me? What's crazy is when we had our first session I remember her telling me that guys that had met up with her in the past assumed she was offering more than just cuddling (because they didn't think cuddle comfort was strictly "platonic cuddling" So idk if she would be down to or not.

Do you have a link? If she's getting you to pay to just cuddle I wouldn't expect anymore. She knows she can get your cash without having to put out. Post the link to her SA profile so we can try to see what's up from the ad.

[HotRam1]

I got banned on SA, fell victim for their tactics which I should have done my homework. I created a new account and tried to upgrade using a different card of mine but no luck. Any ideas on how to upgrade the account? Thanks in advance.

[VloneCarti]

Hey guys so just yesterday I found out that this girl from cuddle comfort that I've had a session with before is now on SA. Was pretty shocked when I saw her profile. Need advice on how I should proceed. Should I mention that I saw her on SA and ask if she offers any extra services or should I just keep quiet about it and continue to just see her over time and hope eventually she will be down to do more stuff with me? What's crazy is when we had our first session I remember her telling me that guys that had met up with her in the past assumed she was offering more than just cuddling (because they didn't think cuddle comfort was strictly "platonic cuddling" So idk if she would be down to or not.

[SomeFinanceGuy]

Going to main up and give an apology to Finance guy. You were correct. Not only are her pics not even close to accurate, she is on some type of drug. Had burn marks on her fingers, she was very dirty when I got there. I ended up making an excuse that I left the allowance in my car before we started and I left.

I am sorry for doubting you.

Thanks man, appreciate it.

To add to this thread. I'm seeing a lot of GPS on Seeking. Lots of convos start at 5-600, on a good day you can talk one down to 400. Getting tough out here.

[Jay Twogo]

Babyivy wants 2 k. Claims she can make more dancing (she's a stripper) but it's been "slow". She's "compromising".

So what she's really saying is she can't make that much or she'd be doing it.