"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Shampoo55]

So I go in my local bodega and wander over to the rack with the prepaid cards on it and grabbed the old trsusty OneVanilla Card! It's in the same place it always has been located, so kinda a no brainer. Go pay, everything is cool.

But I get home and WTF! This card says SecureSpend, not OneVanilla! I mean the card looks nearly exactly identical!

So I'm hoping I didn't just get ripped off. Oh well at the worst, I'll just use the SecureSpend to purchase a OneVanilla card, the only loss will be the $6. 95 fee!

Now off to SA to see if this B&S card works anyway.

[Round 3]

Met her a couple years ago also. She also has a friend who used to be on the site, and they said they were sometimes open to meeting together as well. Schedules never worked out for that, but they were both fun and I've thought about trying again now that I see her on SA again.

She has a new number now. Her friend is Tiffany but I don't know what she is doing post covid. Both are very friendly. Dawn was utr pro pre covid. No m&g needed.

[BookerTNelson]

We've been getting a lot of discussion on that lately.

I have a technique I used for a frazzled single mom who is working hard and not a dummy, a real amateur and aspiring sub. And, believe me, I think many if not most of the amateur girls on the site are subs, even if they don't realize it.

Here is actual messaging from SA w / her:

Me: You say you are confident in what you do. So do you have to be 'on' all the time? Are you longing for a time you don't have to be on, and that is why you want to be with a man who will take control?

Her: Yes that is correct. I do want for someone to take control. How are you so good at knowing this haha.

She feels like she is being understood, and this increases the likelihood of getting her to the FC.

And I think this is a pretty common thing for this type. They want you to pick the restaurant. They want you to tell them what to do in bed. They're tired of having to be responsible.

I'll concur that 90% of these women are submissive and wanted to give up the "control" they have in their regular day to day lives. Especially if they're mid college and older. I've found so many that want that different experience that they haven't been able to tap into.

[PartyTimeGuy]

We've been getting a lot of discussion on that lately.

I have a technique I used for a frazzled single mom who is working hard and not a dummy, a real amateur and aspiring sub. And, believe me, I think many if not most of the amateur girls on the site are subs, even if they don't realize it.

This is quite true of sugaring in the wild as well, which has many parallels like this to sugaring on sites. The most likely candidates for considering this for the first time are subs. It is useful to recognize one when you see one and / or talk to one.

Here is actual messaging from SA w / her:

Me: You say you are confident in what you do. So do you have to be 'on' all the time? Are you longing for a time you don't have to be on, and that is why you want to be with a man who will take control?

Her: Yes that is correct. I do want for someone to take control. How are you so good at knowing this haha.

She feels like she is being understood, and this increases the likelihood of getting her to the FC.

Great approach. You were wise to explore in this way. Asking questions is the way to understanding who she is and what motivates her, and is the point of expanding the conversation in the first place. Once you know this to any degree (but especially if a sub or POT sub), she feels that you "understand" her and you have the golden key to the FC.

And I think this is a pretty common thing for this type. They want you to pick the restaurant. They want you to tell them what to do in bed. They're tired of having to be responsible.

I am dominant by nature. That doesn't mean I am some bent freak or sadist who wants to chain them up and whip them. But I do prefer a sub type and the vast majority of SBs I have been with were of this type in one way or another. They love to be controlled and I love to control: a perfect interactive combination of mutual satisfaction. And the age difference often works in your favor in these situations.

[Ernest Ll]

We've been getting a lot of discussion on that lately.

I have a technique I used for a frazzled single mom who is working hard and not a dummy, a real amateur and aspiring sub. And, believe me, I think many if not most of the amateur girls on the site are subs, even if they don't realize it.



And I think this is a pretty common thing for this type. They want you to pick the restaurant. They want you to tell them what to do in bed. They're tired of having to be responsible.

I have heard this so many times. Brainwashed by the "you can have it all" but then they realize how hard it is to be a mom, wife and boss -- someone always wants something from them and no one thinks of them. As one told me "I jsut want to turn off my brain and not have to make a single decision and just let someone have their way with me, decide what needs to be done to get me off and do it. And anything else they want ".

[ErkTheOne]

I saw her pre covid regularly when her hair was short and curly. Definitely dtf back then as we met straight at hotel. Has some GPS but did come down on her initial price. Did not host and I met her in downtown Ricmond hotels near her job after 5 when she got off. Covered FS.

Met her a couple years ago also. She also has a friend who used to be on the site, and they said they were sometimes open to meeting together as well. Schedules never worked out for that, but they were both fun and I've thought about trying again now that I see her on SA again.

[FarFarAway]

We've been getting a lot of discussion on that lately.

I have a technique I used for a frazzled single mom who is working hard and not a dummy, a real amateur and aspiring sub. And, believe me, I think many if not most of the amateur girls on the site are subs, even if they don't realize it.

Here is actual messaging from SA w / her:

Me: You say you are confident in what you do. So do you have to be 'on' all the time? Are you longing for a time you don't have to be on, and that is why you want to be with a man who will take control?

Her: Yes that is correct. I do want for someone to take control. How are you so good at knowing this haha.

She feels like she is being understood, and this increases the likelihood of getting her to the FC.

And I think this is a pretty common thing for this type. They want you to pick the restaurant. They want you to tell them what to do in bed. They're tired of having to be responsible.

[RogerOver]

You guys really overthink this stuff.

The most accurate assessment I've seen in a while.

[DWinthrop]

You guys really overthink this stuff.

[Ares999]

I don't mean to sound patronizing but you need to read my posts more thoroughly. They are chock full of advice and examples. To reiterate, the very first and most important thing is not to approach any girl who is signaling she doesn't want to be approached (read my pre-approach advice). Secondly, a girl gives you clear signals when she doesn't want to talk after you open the conversation (again, read my posts). You need to back off gracefully. By my experience, about 50% of women will talk to you, despite the age difference, if you follow all of my advice about: the way to approach them, knowing how to find common ground and expand the conversation, being interesting, complimenting her on her demeanor and looks (from the neck up: hair, eyes, smile, laugh, scent, jewelry), using non-threatening flirting techniques and applying humor and common interests to bond.

You are mid-40's? I should be so lucky. I am pushing 60, average looking and overweight. If I can get 20 something tail to drop their panties for me, then your probabilities should vastly exceed mine. Not to mention that you should be able to get hot-to-trot 30 somethings for FREE! I can even do that on occasion. 30 something women are usually so eager to fuck that they practically fall on your dick. Get them drunk. They will be sucking your cock in the car before you even get them home.

Thanks. I'll go back and look at your posts more closely. I guess I'm just overly paranoid. When I was younger, I could complement a girl in the grocery store on her smile and get a date. However, ever since all the metoo stuff human resources at my job has really drilled into us to be extremely careful. I have a lot of young female subordinates and 'm always worried about saying something that might be considered inappropriate and get me accused of sexual harassment. That worry has probably carried over into my interactions outside the office as well. I'll need to learn to loosen up outside of work. (I never tried anything with my any of my staff but ironically my ex-wife was convinced otherwise and it caused a lot fights. She accused several of them of being "after me" because I make good money. Maybe she was right but I definitely wouldn't take that chance at work.)

[EvilTmp]

You've talked about meeting SB's in the wild. As someone else has asked, what is the secret to not coming across as the creepy old guy? I'm in my mid 40's and recently divorced. My new apartment building is mostly people in their 20's and early 30's. Lots of nice eye candy but I can't help but feel out of place. Maybe it's just in my head but I assume that even if I'm just being friendly and polite a younger woman is going to think I'm trying to sleep with her. (And of course she'd be right).

At the risk of piling on, it's all in your head. You've been conditioned to think a girl 10-15 yrs younger would be creeped out when in reality it's much more flexible than that. The truth is that girls are creeped out by guys of ALL ages. But also, they're open to bang guys way outside their age. Use common sense, be charming, and know when to exit. You have no idea how often you missed a chance just because the voice inside your head said 'she's too young, she can't be interested'. The more risks you take the more you realize how often you could have scored in the past.

[PartyTimeGuy]

You've talked about meeting SB's in the wild. As someone else has asked, what is the secret to not coming across as the creepy old guy? I'm in my mid 40's and recently divorced. My new apartment building is mostly people in their 20's and early 30's. Lots of nice eye candy but I can't help but feel out of place. Maybe it's just in my head but I assume that even if I'm just being friendly and polite a younger woman is going to think I'm trying to sleep with her. (And of course she'd be right).

I don't mean to sound patronizing but you need to read my posts more thoroughly. They are chock full of advice and examples. To reiterate, the very first and most important thing is not to approach any girl who is signaling she doesn't want to be approached (read my pre-approach advice). Secondly, a girl gives you clear signals when she doesn't want to talk after you open the conversation (again, read my posts). You need to back off gracefully. By my experience, about 50% of women will talk to you, despite the age difference, if you follow all of my advice about: the way to approach them, knowing how to find common ground and expand the conversation, being interesting, complimenting her on her demeanor and looks (from the neck up: hair, eyes, smile, laugh, scent, jewelry), using non-threatening flirting techniques and applying humor and common interests to bond.

You are mid-40's? I should be so lucky. I am pushing 60, average looking and overweight. If I can get 20 something tail to drop their panties for me, then your probabilities should vastly exceed mine. Not to mention that you should be able to get hot-to-trot 30 somethings for FREE! I can even do that on occasion. 30 something women are usually so eager to fuck that they practically fall on your dick. Get them drunk. They will be sucking your cock in the car before you even get them home.

[Hal1957]

Be friendly, be chatty, don't leer. You really need to have enough game to know when someone is responding to be polite and responding because she's interested in what you're saying. Don't push the conversation, let her come and go as she needs to. Have a plan to turn the conversation to something you could do together. I fly gilders, that works well.

You've talked about meeting SB's in the wild. As someone else has asked, what is the secret to not coming across as the creepy old guy? I'm in my mid 40's and recently divorced. My new apartment building is mostly people in their 20's and early 30's. Lots of nice eye candy but I can't help but feel out of place. Maybe it's just in my head but I assume that even if I'm just being friendly and polite a younger woman is going to think I'm trying to sleep with her. (And of course she'd be right).

[Ares999]

You've talked about meeting SB's in the wild. As someone else has asked, what is the secret to not coming across as the creepy old guy? I'm in my mid 40's and recently divorced. My new apartment building is mostly people in their 20's and early 30's. Lots of nice eye candy but I can't help but feel out of place. Maybe it's just in my head but I assume that even if I'm just being friendly and polite a younger woman is going to think I'm trying to sleep with her. (And of course she'd be right).

[VAvet]

Slang for a possible drug habit. Which is possible with the dark haired one. When I first started chatting with her a while back she said she was living in a recovery house.

I think it's actually worse with the lighter haired one as far as monkey goes.