"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[PartyTimeGuy]

When I have a bit more attention span I will read this a little closer. As a guy that's terrible at flirting it might be helpful (not being sarcastic).

You have been a valuable contributor here for many years and are most certainly successful in doing whatever you are doing. I am flattered that you feel you can gain some insights from my suggestions. One thing I know for sure: flirting works as a form of communication, not only for sugaring in the wild, but also as a general approach to be successful at all personal encounters in everyday life. I have some additions to your useful commentary on my flirting piece:

Cleanliness and Clothing
Having been a jeans and t-shirt guy my entire life the best I can do is stay hygienic, clean shaven, have a good haircut, and keep my very used car and home immaculate. Personal tip: only bathe with dove unscented. No cologne or aftershave (use only the lightest scent lotion and use CK one deodorant. Just my opinion, try it you might be surprised.

I am a very casual guy, but I find that dressing it up is extremely useful both in a business setting and for sugaring in the wild. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the clean-cut jeans and t-shirt look, and women love the Marlboro Man style, but the M-Man wasn't pushing 60, average looking and overweight. My suggesting to be dressy is as much camouflage (wear dark clothing, for example) for the extreme age difference likely to be encountered sugaring, as much as it is to look good. I totally agree that a simple smell of soap and a LIGHT cologne is best. I use a cologne called Acqua De Gio by Armani. It has a very light and clean smell that 95% of women love and comment about.

Pre-Approach to Know when to back off
Read this and you will never interact with anyone the same ever again. Works in too many ways to describe here. Life changing.
https://www.amazon.com/Practical-Mag.../dp/1904424112

A great suggestion if you are serious about improving your interactions with the world. Here is a PDF version if you don't care to buy the book: https://www.magicgatebg.com/Books/IN...ve_Lankton.pdf.

Additional Ideas
Make her laugh. Always works. But if you have no personality just flash a "little" cash

Cash is most definitely king in our hobby. It closes the age gap most effectively if there is even the slightest bit of interest. But it doesn't hurt to generate some personality chemistry through flirting, especially with humor, even if you are not that good at it. The more you do the better you will get, and some attraction is better than none, and will make the price negotiation a lot smoother.

Final Thoughts
Having been a sales trainer over the years, the one thing I can add is this. A quote from a sales training guide I wrote.
"I can teach you everything I know but you'll never be me. But people like you for a reason, and you know what that is, so just be yourself".
And the badass girls all call me a dork. Lucky for me dorks are in at the moment.

Absolutely! You can't change who you are. But you can change important little things that will make you more appealing. Dorks are definitely in, but dorks able to make a POT interested in you? GOLD!

Also, never be afraid to touch someone when flirting. Her reaction will dictate your next move.

YES YES YES Touching is highly under-rated both in a flirting situation and in the bedroom. Cuddle, spoon and rub her back gently after sex. It will pay huge future reward dividends.

Big Dick Energy
Girls only use this phrase when talking amongst themselves. Learn it, master it. It might mean less in the sugaring world as cash is still king (unless you are a low baller or negotiating for discounts). But in the civi world, definitely more important.

Most girls love sex, but most don't want to appear too sexual to someone they just met. Most want to be seen as good girls, but will be a wild ***** in the bedroom. (Unless they are in their 30s and at peak sexuality. If you want to sugar that hair-trigger age group, it will be a LOT easier and maybe a lot less expensive) Get them warmed up with some good flirting and you can eventually throw them the big dick energy and watch the wicked grin of confirmation.

[Geechie Dan]

Honest Seductress. Tried a search on here but got no results under that.

Messaged her and she just asked "When are you in Richmond?" The profile seems to suggest she's dtf, ad she looks pretty good. Got no hits from Google Image.

https://members.seeking.com/member/c...0-aa7f17533db2

I communicated with her when she was going under the name Luscious Marathoner. I never connected because I believe I was turned off because she wanted a fee for the meet and greet. I also believe she's dtf though. Seems legit.

[Round 3]

Honest Seductress. Tried a search on here but got no results under that.

Messaged her and she just asked "When are you in Richmond?" The profile seems to suggest she's dtf, ad she looks pretty good. Got no hits from Google Image.

https://members.seeking.com/member/c...0-aa7f17533db2

I saw her pre covid regularly when her hair was short and curly. Definitely dtf back then as we met straight at hotel. Has some GPS but did come down on her initial price. Did not host and I met her in downtown Ricmond hotels near her job after 5 when she got off. Covered FS.

[HollywoodGuy]

I have received numerous PMs asking about the specific techniques I use to flirt with potential SBs. This may not be for veteran SDs, but there may be a few gems in here for everyone. The main key to all of this is FLIRTING . Most women love to flirt and be flirted with, even when there is a significant age difference, and playfully flirting is the main technique I use for gauging whether a potential SB is ready to consider the SB invitation. While the following are primarily aimed at recruiting a SB from scratch, there might be some helpful tidbits here for any M&G situation. Here are my helpful suggestions:

When I have a bit more attention span I will read this a little closer. As a guy that's terrible at flirting it might be helpful (not being sarcastic).

Cleanliness and Clothing
Having been a jeans and t-shirt guy my entire life the best I can do is stay hygienic, clean shaven, have a good haircut, and keep my very used car and home immaculate. Personal tip: only bathe with dove unscented. No cologne or aftershave (use only the lightest scent lotion and use CK one deodorant. Just my opinion, try it you might be surprised.

Pre-Approach to Know when to back off
Read this and you will never interact with anyone the same ever again. Works in too many ways to describe here. Life changing.
https://www.amazon.com/Practical-Mag.../dp/1904424112

Additional Ideas
Make her laugh. Always works. But if you have no personality just flash a "little" cash.

Final Thoughts
Having been a sales trainer over the years, the one thing I can add is this. A quote from a sales training guide I wrote.
"I can teach you everything I know but you'll never be me. But people like you for a reason, and you know what that is, so just be yourself".
And the badass girls all call me a dork. Lucky for me dorks are in at the moment.

Also, never be afraid to touch someone when flirting. Her reaction will dictate your next move.

Big Dick Energy
Girls only use this phrase when talking amongst themselves. Learn it, master it. It might mean less in the sugaring world as cash is still king (unless you are a low baller or negotiating for discounts). But in the civi world, definitely more important.

[SrUnderbridge]

Honest Seductress. Tried a search on here but got no results under that.

Messaged her and she just asked "When are you in Richmond?" The profile seems to suggest she's dtf, ad she looks pretty good. Got no hits from Google Image.

https://members.seeking.com/member/c...0-aa7f17533db2

[Raheem]

Yes. Both. They are sweet, the lighter haired girl is the more attractive, but seldom available. And there is definitely a monkey present there so if you are cool with that I've had no issues, but frankly it's a very occasional, controlled sort of thing with them.

For me. Seems to have the potential for drama.

The darker haired one is on EA advertising bare head and pussy for extra. https://escortalligator.com.listcraw...hmond/82474118.

[SBmidlo]

What is this monkey slang for?

Slang for a possible drug habit. Which is possible with the dark haired one. When I first started chatting with her a while back she said she was living in a recovery house.

[Round 3]

I have been getting 20% Seeking pop ups that I ignore. Today a 25 % discount popped up and disappeared. Any clues on how to get the pop ups to show? I have closed my browser and reopened back onto seeking but with no luck.

[EscortReview89]

And there is definitely a monkey present there so if you are cool with that I've had no issues, but frankly it's a very occasional, controlled sort of thing with them.

What is this monkey slang for?

[VAvet]

Yes. Both. They are sweet, the lighter haired girl is the more attractive, but seldom available. And there is definitely a monkey present there so if you are cool with that I've had no issues, but frankly it's a very occasional, controlled sort of thing with them.

For me. Seems to have the potential for drama.

[BobbyRichmond]

Just curious if anyone has had any experience with these two? Its easy to see that they are legit on social media.

Thank you in advance.

BR.

https://members.seeking.com/member/d...5-00be89346b65

[BobLobLa]

https://members.seeking.com/member/a...d-d7275fd38bf6

Profile says recently logged on from the Netherlands, ends each sentence with BABE and she said she is on vacation in Maymont, a park in RVA.

https://members.seeking.com/member/d...3-3b0e93d4f0f5

[PartyTimeGuy]

In my experience you should never ever listen to what a woman says or write about dating or men to women relationships. It is completely irrelevant and not grounded in any reality. It's all rationalization and what makes her feel a certain way at that moment. Truth, trying to find some kernel of veracity, or learning a valuable lesson is never part of it. They don't do it out of spite or maliciously, it's simply how they're wired. It's all about avoiding accountability for their actions, maximizing rewards, saving their reputation, and feeling in control of the relationship. We now have so much objective data to see how women behave vs what they say and that gulf is wide. I don't begrudge them for it, I understand its simply their nature.

The author is rationalizing sex work because duh! money. And every girl LOVES money. How many fathers want their little girl growing up to turn tricks and sell snatch to strangers?

You may be quite correct in your assessment that women say one thing and mean another. Just look at the following examples of what a woman says vs. what she really means.

It's fine

It's totally NOT fine but I am completely frustrated with your argument and I choose not to continue talking to you, you big fucking jerk!

Does This Make Me Look Fat?

I am feeling completely vulnerable at this moment and I need reassurances from you that I am not just acceptable to you but also that I am the love of your life around which the entire universe revolves.

We Need To Talk

You have done something that really upsets me and I have been thinking about it now for 24 hours and have rehearsed over 100 times a verbal assault you will not survive without complete and utter contrition.

Ill Be Ready in Five More Minutes!

I am tired of your badgering me to get ready and I will take my goddamn time doing so. So back off and cool your heels until I am happy with my indeterminate preparations!

Awww, look at that baby!

I am feeling extremely maternal and all warm and cuddly. Fuck me immediately and impregnate me with child so I can re-focus my life on a beautiful baby rather than your sorry ass.

Ill Just Go For One Drink.

Who the hell are you to tell me how much I can drink? I will have one drink and then another and then another if I damn well please!

Do Whatever You Want.

You refuse to knuckle under to my request, so go ahead and do what you want at your peril. Because the hell you are going to go through with me definitely isn't worth it.

Youre Just Like a Brother To Me.

You are definitely never ever getting into my pants.

We Can Still Be Friends

We are definitely not fucking any more. But if you want to hang around and do my bidding, and laugh at my jokes and fawn all over me like a lost puppy, I won't object.

Sorry, My Phone Was Off

My time is more important than yours and I don't need to reply to you as quickly as you think you need me to. So wait in line like the other losers in my life.

How Do You Know Her?

You piece of shit. You fucked her didn't you?

I Wasnt That Drunk

Do NOT remind me how tanked I can get and do stupid shit. I deserve a pass. Why? Just because.

Is That What Youre Wearing?

You tasteless boob. You don't have a clue and you need me to pick out your future clothing purchases so I can tell everyone how helpless you are without me.

Its Not You, Its Me.

You pissed me off in ways I don't care to explain. Get out of my fucking sight!

I Have Nothing To Wear.

You are responsible for my wardrobe malfunction which can be easily addressed with either cash or your credit card.

Ill Just Have a Salad.

I was a pig all week and ate 99,999 calories worth of junk. This salad is my atonement so praise me for having such gastronomic discipline.

As for a father not wanting his darling daughter to suck strangers' cocks and sell her snatch for dough? I guess then it is fine if she sucks a lot of cocks and gives up her snatch for free?

[EvilTmp]

I excerpted parts of an article that appeared 7 years ago in an on line magazine by and for women called DAME. To spare you the entire article, I have edited out the longer less relevant sections and made bold certain sentences that give you the basic gist. If you want to reread the entire article you can find it at https://www.damemagazine.com/2015/09...-sex-stranger/

In my experience you should never ever listen to what a woman says or write about dating or men to women relationships. It is completely irrelevant and not grounded in any reality. It's all rationalization and what makes her feel a certain way at that moment. Truth, trying to find some kernel of veracity, or learning a valuable lesson is never part of it. They don't do it out of spite or maliciously, it's simply how they're wired. It's all about avoiding accountability for their actions, maximizing rewards, saving their reputation, and feeling in control of the relationship. We now have so much objective data to see how women behave vs what they say and that gulf is wide. I don't begrudge them for it, I understand its simply their nature.

The author is rationalizing sex work because duh! money. And every girl LOVES money. How many fathers want their little girl growing up to turn tricks and sell snatch to strangers?

[PartyTimeGuy]

I excerpted parts of an article that appeared 7 years ago in an on line magazine by and for women called DAME. To spare you the entire article, I have edited out the longer less relevant sections and made bold certain sentences that give you the basic gist. If you want to reread the entire article you can find it at https://www.damemagazine.com/2015/09...-sex-stranger/

The main point here is that people's attitudes are changing about the whole subject of women having sex for money. I have always contended that morality has little to do with sugaring. It is merely a matter of economics. This article by a professional female writer who is a champion of women's rights agrees. Companionship and sex is like any other labor skill that is bought and sold. Our Puritan roots have caused us as a society to view otherwise, to the point of making such transactions illegal. Well, of course, except in Nevada, LOL. Maybe, like with weed and gambling, we will eventually come to our senses as a society and stop criminalizing something on "moral" grounds. That never works. Remember Prohibition?

I Was Offered $3,500 to Have Sex With a Stranger

Several weeks ago, I received an email from a stranger that said, "Would you like to go out on a*paid*date*say $3,500 & fool around and play for research for your next book?" That question was followed by his name. A date three days hence was in the subject line. At first, I laughed it off; I've been writing about sex long enough to know which emails to ignore. Yet I I couldn't stop thinking about it not the offer itself, which I didn't actually think was real, but my reaction to it. I was offended, but kept turning over that feeling in my mind. Was I offended that he offered me money or that he didn't offer enough? Was I bothered by his brevity? Why did this email skeeve me out more than the guys on FetLife who send ludicrous propositions or dick pics, with no mention of financial compensation? Or was it something more sinister was I perturbed by the idea that he'd mistaken me for a prostitute, even though he clearly knew I was a writer?.

The latter assumption didn't sit well with me, especially as someone who*supports sex-worker rights. Could I really say that with a straight face if I somehow felt I was "above" sex work? I asked my friend*Melissa Petro, a former sex worker who was forced to leave her New York City teaching job when her professional history*came to light, for her reaction. Does she believe, as I was starting to suspect, that deep down, every woman has a price? Petro doesn't think so, but she did tell me, I wonder if every woman in need of money doesn't have to consider such offers that much harder than women with money. There were times, for years, that I would have seriously considered every reasonable offer, when I was single and struggling to pay my rent and eat even though it would have felt humiliating. Being broke and not being able to pay your rent or feed yourself is humiliating, too..

Talking to my friend*Kimberlee Clinea sex worker and founder of non-profit organization*Red Umbrella Policy Project made me wonder if I'd been looking at the subject all wrong. First off, the propositioner wasn't totally out of line, in her opinion. "Even though you're not a sex-for-hire sex worker, you're a sex professional on some level, so reaching out to you in your capacity as an expert does not seem inappropriate. I admire this person's recognition that he should make it worth your time to have sex with him or even really talk to him at all. ".

He wasn't insulting me. "There's this concept that if a man equates sex with money, he's somehow degrading the woman's intelligence and emotional integrity," she explained. "I think that's a really misogynist view of sexuality. " She went on to add, "The whole idea that it's offensive to equate sexuality with money has a lot more to do with the purity of womanhood idea, which is rooted in separating women from the economy. What people are upset about is not that women have sex, but that women are making money, and if there's sex involved with making money, then its acceptable to hate it..

In other words, I shouldn't be offended by being offered money for sex, when money has always been at the root of intimate relationships and still is, even in our supposedly egalitarian times. Take sugar babies and sugar daddies meaning women, typically young, who are just starting out in the working world and accept money from older men. Money is already part of the equation in sexual and romantic relationships, whether they officially involve sex work or not. To think otherwise is to ignore the history of marriage and its current reality. Remember all the buzz about the "wife bonus?" It sounded outlandish, but of course we all make negotiations about money every day. Why should the realm of sex be any different?.