Grand Rapids Pugilistic Society

**JMaul** · 11-03-21 20:38

Guess what? We're not talking about passwords today LOL. Other than they're stupid as hell lmfao.

I got my popcorn ready and I have to admit that my words used in this specific forum are doing it a disservice. Pugilistic is to fight about shit, throw punches and say whatever you want no filter so that the rest of the forums can be preserved. It seem my efforts a little too kind or hopeful in nature, so the gloves come off.

I saw a recent post using the word extortion. We should all care about that, and I would argue that fuckers who throw that word around loosely or in reference to an individual with no proof or based on jealousy has serious ramifications.

I have to agree with DJbiker or moped or whatever you call him that what you've witnessed in this forum is aggressive attempts to deflect or divert your attention away from the real problem. So I'll address him directly.

Mr Benz:

I'm sorry your cage is getting rattled. The truth hurts doesn't it? Actually I'm not sorry. I've spent the last few years on this board thinking that you're a giant asshat but that somehow the contributions you bring to the board outweigh the bad. Or at least enough to stay away from addressing you gloves off. However, the more I learn about your tactics with women from themselves directly has made me question why I would be part of a forum that lets people like you control whatever narrative you want.

In case you were wondering, this is not about Miss Hunter only. I cannot tell you how many women have been manipulated by you in this industry all for what you've deemed "the good of the team. " Personally I think it's bullshit. You have no idea how many appointments I've booked with someone just because they know I want nothing to do with you. It's like a reverse password effect lmfao.

I would like to end my remarks to you on an even more serious note, this time with maybe gloves on: I really do wish you could stop doing this. Please. Pick your battles dude. You aren't winning this one. Be a better person dammit. We are talking about the safety and sanity of real people and while they are just a mouth, tits, ass and pussy to you and some others, they're fucking human beings who shouldn't have to be scared, looking over the shoulder constantly, changing their number or even moving. Grow the fuck up.

And now back to the rest of the audience:

Interesting fact for those still reading. If you have a problem with Miss Hunter's verification process, blame Benz and others like him. They fuck it up for the rest of us. I know several women who are legitimately concerned for their discretion and safety because certain people take it too far. It's not Benz completely, Jesus fucking Christ some of you are real winners. Believe me or not, I don't care. I'm just sick and tired of this, it's not the name calling or fighting but the obvious and egregious things going on that doesn't get brought into light. Fucking sick stuff.

I'm taking a break from posting reviews of people effective immediately. I intend to return, but I'm not going to spend time and energy to write honest reviews about people that I think you should see for yourself when you immediately talk shit about not writing it like a graphic novel that your wives and girlfriends read when you can't deliver. Obviously this isn't meant to all of you, just venting. But seriously, if you want to read porn go to Reddit, there's plenty of subs there for that.

I do truly hope you all stay safe. Clearly some legit providers out there don't feel that way.

**DjBiker** · 11-03-21 19:50

Originally Posted by Benz1 [View Original Post]

This has been interesting.

The truth be known, I rejected Miss Hunters request originally to help her be a UTR provider.

She joined usasexguide to reach out to me because her friend Munchie51 told her I might be able to help her.
If you don't believe me, go ask Munchie51

I told Miss Hunter, I'm really not interested because I don't know you and you have a friend that's a member of usasexguide. Munchie51 can do what I've been doing. I'll train him to help you.
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Munchie51 Munchie51 is offline
Senior Member

Posts: 42
Hunter in Ada
Hunter has decided to go UTR, wants to be selective on new clients.

I had a wonderful dream with her this morning, lots of good intelligent conversation, touching and plenty of oral by both of us. IMO She really is a great and very pretty gal, you won't be disappointed.

Now that she is UTR PM me for digets and password to see her.
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After some effort from Munchie51 Miss Hunter felt she needed more help and asked me again.

I said we have to meet before I can help anyone.

You should write for penthouse form, lmao damn you must be one good looking MF'er, doubt it, be honest, she is not in your league, you handle 20 $ streetwalkers. She isn't. FU.

**MissHunter** · 11-03-21 19:27

Originally Posted by DjBiker [View Original Post]

And here comes the deflect b / s hopefully this wonderful provider responds, I've seen her and she is a great provider and person, the funniest part of his novel that he rebutted is he "helps" he is a user of addicted people period! When someone is down on luck he "helps" for his benefit do your old ass a favor and stfu, rename urself and start over d / b.

Thank you DJBiker for your kind words, and I am not going to stoop to Mr. Broken Dicks level. I already know that any guys that have seen me can attest to my upmost of professionalism and discretion as my years of doing this has shown. I can go through all 120 of my posts that reference me and I see maybe 1 or 2 negative comments and even Mr. BD attests to my security procedures and photo requirements. Once again I appreciate all the kind words that have been sent via PM and on the board in regards to me speaking out finally. I am not going to say anymore at this time publicly but if anyone wants to PM me. I know I am just going to be attacked and stalked further by certain haters.

XOXO.

Hunter.

**DjBiker** · 11-03-21 17:39

And here comes the deflect b / s hopefully this wonderful provider responds, I've seen her and she is a great provider and person, the funniest part of his novel that he rebutted is he "helps" he is a user of addicted people period! When someone is down on luck he "helps" for his benefit do your old ass a favor and stfu, rename urself and start over d / b.

**Benz1** · 11-03-21 16:33

You guys sound like the conspiracy theorist on FoxSnooze. Cyber Ninja Circle Jerkers.

Lying around pissing and moaning all over yourselves.

You should ask yourself, would I share Information with idiots in the cyber Ninja Circle Jerk Squad?

The answer would be No.

Unless you have something of value to contribute to the team. Go suck your self and quit asking for more information from those that work hard to get it.

I posted the 12 steps to taking one for the team hoping you would get of your asses and produce something other than conspiracy theories from the Cyber Ninja Circle Jerkers.

Here it is again, hopefully you'll all grow a pair and TOFTT.
Take One For The Team Guidelines (update # 4).

Step 1 : Find a girl you like, google her number search pics on Google Image

1. A Search her number on Facebook. / It would wise to have a hobby (fake) FB page before searching.

Step 2 : Monitor the ad for at least 3 days, a sting from LE or Robbery set ups usually don't post for more than two days.

Step 3 : Let the usasexguide members know of your findings from google and ask if anyone has knowledge and you plan on TOFTT.

Step 4 : Buy a hobby phone, Do not use your real name for registration or to the provider.

Step 5 : Contact her on a slow day, for quicker response and better negotiations text or call on Tuesday or Wednesday. They get so many calls on a Friday they might lose your message.

A: Original contact should be a short stay or Hhr, to reduce the risk of an expensive bad date.

B: If her incall is a house address enter it into Google Street view to see the house and neighborhood.

If she gives you a location like 3 mile and Alpine, 28th street hotels between Division and 131, RRI, Knights INN on 28th. Tell her you won't go to those hotels and opt a for car date.

C: Save any negotiation for the end of the call or even your second contact. (a car date is 40 or less).

D: don't wear any loud clothing, blend in.

Step 6 : Never park in her driveway or the hotel parking lot. Park in the street or at a nearby business and walk. Example; if you go to motel 6 on 28th park in the restaurant lot.

Step 7 : Leave all valuables and drivers license at home or in the vehicle. Only take in the money you plan to spend.

Step 8 :Inform her if you are going to be late. If you're arriving early, contact the provider from a gas station a block away, so you and your vehicle do not raise suspicion. While waiting for her response, go in the bathroom and wash your balls while you wait.(providers biggest complaint is Hygiene). Contact her to say you are here. Do not go to any shady houses, just drive by and text her to let her know you will not be coming in her mouth tonight.

A: If you're at a house, have her meet you on the porch.

B: If the Hotel has a side door use it. If you have to walk by the front desk act like you live there, don't ask directions.

Step 9 : Knock on door. If the girl matches the pic stay, if not walk out and report back to USA that the pic doesn't match the girl.

Step 10: Check every room for safety.

Step 11 : Tell her you have the money and maybe show it to her but do not give up the cash until after you receive the services you negotiated for.

Step 12: Report back to USA in full detail including Looks, Smells & Cleanliness (of incall and provider), Attitude and Service.

12 A: Include a link to the providers advertisement so we know who you are reviewing.

These are some steps you should take before you TOFTT. Please add to the list if you see anything I missed.

Just trying to help.

Fellow Monger Benz1

**Benz1** · 11-03-21 16:31

Originally Posted by Rome123 [View Original Post]

Looks like they're no longer friends and now we all know why.

This has been interesting.

The truth be known, I rejected Miss Hunters request originally to help her be a UTR provider.

She joined usasexguide to reach out to me because her friend Munchie51 told her I might be able to help her.
If you don't believe me, go ask Munchie51

I told Miss Hunter, I'm really not interested because I don't know you and you have a friend that's a member of usasexguide. Munchie51 can do what I've been doing. I'll train him to help you.
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Munchie51 Munchie51 is offline
Senior Member

Posts: 42
Hunter in Ada
Hunter has decided to go UTR, wants to be selective on new clients.

I had a wonderful dream with her this morning, lots of good intelligent conversation, touching and plenty of oral by both of us. IMO She really is a great and very pretty gal, you won't be disappointed.

Now that she is UTR PM me for digets and password to see her.
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After some effort from Munchie51 Miss Hunter felt she needed more help and asked me again.

I said we have to meet before I can help anyone.

I told Miss Hunter I'll bring my massage table and give you a free one hour massage. No poking or prodding, a professional massage that will put you to sleep. I told her I have references from other providers, I suggested she call the to know I'm not a scam trying to get her naked.

During our 1 hour meeting we got to know each other well. We didn't agree on politics so we won't mention them.

I noticed a lot of tension that had to be rubbed out of her legs, that part of the massage took over a half hour. I asked why the tension and ripples in her muscles. (Can't be seen, you have to massage the legs to feel the ripples) she told me it was from standing in high heels while pegging your mongers asses. That's not for me, LOL.

After her free one hour massage, she asked what do I owe you for your hour? I said nothing, this was free for a new friend. She insisted and asked what would I like. Of course I told her a BBBJCIM. She eagerly went to work. She gives great head and she told me she loved the massage and we should do this once a week. That continued up until the pandemic shut down and we had a shelter in place order from the governor.

During the pandemic, she acquired a sugar daddy but he wasn't filling all her needs, she asked for my help again. She must have had faith in my help, if she asked again.

Her biggest problem with the new SD was that he was very aware of usasexguide and watched the board frequently. She needed a new name.

I chose Katniss and used the password Quiver. She told me to make sure a certain Senior Member of the Cyber Ninja Jerk Off Squad didn't get the info because he knew her SD personally. I won't reveal his real name now because I have much more integrity than Ms Hunter. If any of you Cyber Ninja Jerk Offs want his hobby name, I'll post it later if their is a majority of Cyber Ninja Circle Jerkers that request it. Miss Hunter is apparently pissed off. I can only guess that one of you Cyber Ninja Circle Jerkers spread her password to the wrong person.

I make this assumption because she is back to advertising as Miss Hunter, that tells me the SD is long gone and she's obviously pissed.

As many of you know I've helped a few girls that struggle to start and it doesn't always pan out, some aren't any good at it and others get SD or BF for awhile. I've given a girl a ride and she offers me a BJ for my time and a pack of cigarettes. Shit like that happens in the real world and this hobby.

I just like to help and there doesn't have to be a reason or trade.

The best help I ever gave a provider was doing the Back Page shut down or just before they shut down. I provider I knew well couldn't advertise without Bitcoin. She needed a checking account and a Bitcoin wallet.

Ok so I opened a new account and bought a bunch of Bitcoin to help her post. She was extremely grateful. After BP shut down completely, I was wondering WTF am I going to do with all this Bitcoin I bought. You never know what type of return you'll get just for being nice.

Now that I'm in early retirement from my Bitcoin collection, I don't need my green massage table back from Miss Hunter. She can have it. I have enough money to buy more, I have never given her a cent and never will. We traded massage for BBBJCIM.

I also never gave her any information about myself, glad I didn't or she would be exposing that for everyone to see with all her lies.

Monger warning, you could be next. If you give Miss Hunter any personal info your real life will be at risk.
I know a lot about her, I have too much integrity to reveal anything now. I hope she doesn't change my mind.

**Blackfire** · 11-03-21 11:02

Originally Posted by Gene2 [View Original Post]

With all the back and forth on passwords, I believe it's time to focus on the fundamentals of this board.

1. Reviews. We need reviews of providers seen, even if they have numerous reviews already. It keeps us all informed on the current state of the hobby. And it fulfills the mission statement of the board. Sharing intel about sex.

2. New talent. This is an area that is also vital and very much appreciated. And we have good examples of that from both sides of this current issue.

3. Safety warnings. We all need to know LE concerns and robbery concerns. Once again, both sides of this password issue have provided us all good warnings.

What we don't need is also in evidence in this current topic. Asshats that don't ever provide a review, but love to post about drama, like a woman. I find it disturbing that two dudes here who never provide reviews or new talent or valid safety concerns have been given so much run on this topic, especially when they simply hate on Benz. They should be ignored. They add nothing to this board and should just stay home and watch The Bachelor..

Gene, you are the best. Never read a more informative review than those that you write!

I don't believe reviews are required by the moderator of this site, but maybe you can check with him and seek to have everyone redacted who has not written a review. But for the record, I don't bother to respond to your and others disinformation much, but I've written at least 3 reviews since the beginning of the year. And never called another member a liar for posting their review, can you say the same?

**Gene2** · 11-03-21 07:26

With all the back and forth on passwords, I believe it's time to focus on the fundamentals of this board.

1. Reviews. We need reviews of providers seen, even if they have numerous reviews already. It keeps us all informed on the current state of the hobby. And it fulfills the mission statement of the board. Sharing intel about sex.

2. New talent. This is an area that is also vital and very much appreciated. And we have good examples of that from both sides of this current issue.

3. Safety warnings. We all need to know LE concerns and robbery concerns. Once again, both sides of this password issue have provided us all good warnings.

What we don't need is also in evidence in this current topic. Asshats that don't ever provide a review, but love to post about drama, like a woman. I find it disturbing that two dudes here who never provide reviews or new talent or valid safety concerns have been given so much run on this topic, especially when they simply hate on Benz. They should be ignored. They add nothing to this board and should just stay home and watch The Bachelor.

So. Stop pissing and moaning about passwords and get out there and conquer and pay for some sex! And leave a damn review. Me. I'm going to see Lauren and enjoy some boob therapy. I suggest all of us do similar, and Backfire. Shut up until you actually leave a review! Seriously man why can't you leave a review?

Ok. I'm going for my morning boob therapy.

G2.

**Monger01** · 11-02-21 18:37

Originally Posted by Blackfire [View Original Post]

You seem to have focused your comment on Hunter, I guess predictably so since there seems to be a bit of an effort to discredit her and any of her supporters by the supporters of Benz and the password method of marketing. I didn't intend my comment at any or either group, the massage section is rampant with the "advertisement without information" from a variety of posters. And the board king is very vocal that I and others shouldn't ask additional questions. I'm not sure if that's his attempt to discredit my fake name because I'm also vocal about opposition to the pimping, or just a general effort to try to get the board to become sheeple.

And you predictably deflect after realizing your point happened to reflect on a provider who hates Benz. Touche.

The reviews are recent and vague. When just posting a followup review on someone reviewed often I get it. No need for great detail every time you see a girl again. I also pointed out the obvious self-review by Mel. Sometimes facts just are what they are Blackfire. And yes, I like to point out hypocrisy. Which is what I did below.

**Blackfire** · 11-02-21 16:11

Originally Posted by Monger01 [View Original Post]

I find myself in unusual agreement with Blackfire LOL. Pws are bad. Got it. Half the board seems to agree on that. But leaving a review that tells basically nothing is more or less an ad. Is it for a favor? Hunter posts here so I guess they have to tread lightly to stay on her good side. So much for adhering to A1's intent of this forum you all claim is paramount.

You seem to have focused your comment on Hunter, I guess predictably so since there seems to be a bit of an effort to discredit her and any of her supporters by the supporters of Benz and the password method of marketing. I didn't intend my comment at any or either group, the massage section is rampant with the "advertisement without information" from a variety of posters. And the board king is very vocal that I and others shouldn't ask additional questions. I'm not sure if that's his attempt to discredit my fake name because I'm also vocal about opposition to the pimping, or just a general effort to try to get the board to become sheeple.

**Monger01** · 11-02-21 12:50

Originally Posted by Blackfire [View Original Post]

Why leave a lengthy verbose review at all if it's just to say she was great with no information regarding rates or services (a decent review would at the very least include both imo)? It seems to me that guys that leave these long reviews that read like advertisements are also doing that for their own benefit, to curry favor with their "special" WG.

I find myself in unusual agreement with Blackfire LOL. Pws are bad. Got it. Half the board seems to agree on that. But leaving a review that tells basically nothing is more or less an ad. Is it for a favor? Hunter posts here so I guess they have to tread lightly to stay on her good side. So much for adhering to A1's intent of this forum you all claim is paramount.

**Blackfire** · 11-02-21 07:47

Originally Posted by JMaul [View Original Post]

We talkin passwords again? But I mostly agree, don't pretend this lady owes you or you own her. Is love possible in the hobby? Sure, look no further than Riley. Someone snatched her up and she's retired. Good for him / her, I hope they're happy. She probably delivered more monger smiles than anyone else in GR. She didn't need passwords either. Don't you find it odd that one of the nicest, most affordable and sexually energized ladies in the hobby didn't need a password "for her safety?" Funny too that I don't recall a single review from a certain senior poster on Riley that loves passwords. She's was known for a phenomenal BBBJWS too.

I do think some discretion should be used in posts, just a personal thing and not trying to cast negative light on people sharing info. There are times where posters have listed a service or rate that comes back to burn them. A provider won't see them any more or takes heat for posting too much. Some ladies even request you don't post at all. My rule of thumb is that if I think there's reasons stay away, I'm sounding the alarm. If I want to see them again, I share info stating why. If you find my reviews lacking info, it's because I value some of the discretion between the provider and me. It's not my job to tell you exactly what you can get because I haven't a clue who you are and while we are helping call out the good and bad I'm not risking my future sessions for some asshat who thinks he deserves the same.

Maybe I've been doing it all wrong, deservedly I was put on moderation a while back for posting something that ultimately belonged in this board. Despite several requests the response I get back is that I write whatever a provider tells me to write. I may not share everything but a liar I am not. Sorry guys but my job isn't to land you a great provider but lose mine in the process. See them or don't, it's pretty simple.

If you want to end all this BS altogether, support the legalization of the sex industry. These are real workers who should be able to openly advertise services and rates without fear of retaliation. No more passwords. Constant testing for safety. It won't completely end the pimp / handler aspect but it'll put it on an island you won't ever have to visit again unless that's your thing, then godspeed to you.

Why leave a lengthy verbose review at all if it's just to say she was great with no information regarding rates or services (a decent review would at the very least include both imo)? It seems to me that guys that leave these long reviews that read like advertisements are also doing that for their own benefit, to curry favor with their "special" WG.

**DjBiker** · 11-02-21 07:45

Isn't odd that the one that started this shit in first place is oddly quiet, f'er gets called out and waits for others to battle for him, as it was mentioned about good providers not needing his blessing and doing fine is cause they probably refuse to see him, I'm guessing, anyway great debate, he will continue to take advantage of those addicted, and feel he is the man.

**JMaul** · 11-01-21 21:14

Originally Posted by Asianplvr [View Original Post]

I spoke out against password handling of girls long ago. Years ago. I disagree with it and feel those requiring passwords for girl info are handlers of girls at a minimum. I think what happens here is certain mongers want to feel important here, feel like their "the man", had the most pussy, knows the most girls. The sole purpose of this board was stated by A1 (Jackson, founder of USASG) many years ago as:" A way guys get and share info to find pussy. " Freely sharing info. This site allows us members to see each others activity, posts, etc. Pm's are where personal, digits, etc. Are shared. Share at your discretion. If you feel a need to "protect" a provider then don't share, but, don't fuck her. If you want a girl to yourself, marry her.

We talkin passwords again? But I mostly agree, don't pretend this lady owes you or you own her. Is love possible in the hobby? Sure, look no further than Riley. Someone snatched her up and she's retired. Good for him / her, I hope they're happy. She probably delivered more monger smiles than anyone else in GR. She didn't need passwords either. Don't you find it odd that one of the nicest, most affordable and sexually energized ladies in the hobby didn't need a password "for her safety?" Funny too that I don't recall a single review from a certain senior poster on Riley that loves passwords. She's was known for a phenomenal BBBJWS too.

I do think some discretion should be used in posts, just a personal thing and not trying to cast negative light on people sharing info. There are times where posters have listed a service or rate that comes back to burn them. A provider won't see them any more or takes heat for posting too much. Some ladies even request you don't post at all. My rule of thumb is that if I think there's reasons stay away, I'm sounding the alarm. If I want to see them again, I share info stating why. If you find my reviews lacking info, it's because I value some of the discretion between the provider and me. It's not my job to tell you exactly what you can get because I haven't a clue who you are and while we are helping call out the good and bad I'm not risking my future sessions for some asshat who thinks he deserves the same.

Maybe I've been doing it all wrong, deservedly I was put on moderation a while back for posting something that ultimately belonged in this board. Despite several requests the response I get back is that I write whatever a provider tells me to write. I may not share everything but a liar I am not. Sorry guys but my job isn't to land you a great provider but lose mine in the process. See them or don't, it's pretty simple.

If you want to end all this BS altogether, support the legalization of the sex industry. These are real workers who should be able to openly advertise services and rates without fear of retaliation. No more passwords. Constant testing for safety. It won't completely end the pimp / handler aspect but it'll put it on an island you won't ever have to visit again unless that's your thing, then godspeed to you.