Grand Rapids Pugilistic Society

[Blackfire]

With all the talk about passwords lately.

It reminds me of something a provider once told me that was said to her from someone on this board. "If I do for you, you do for me."

Just some food for thought.

Have a great day.

That's interesting. And good food for thought. For those that are strong on passwords would it bother you at all if that was one of the reasons and method used for the password holder to be doing it? Or is that just kind of understood? If it's understood and a normal practice to do that "tit for tat" "blow for promotion" where's the line between pimping and "helping someone out"?

[Rome123]

Well now I am going to speak up.

I am going to give my perspective on passwords now that I am now being brought into it.

Passwords are used by handlers and those that are looking for freebies. Now its up to the girl to decide if they are going to oblige with those requests from those gentlemen, and I hate to even refer to these guys as gentlemen. I look at them like the pimps they are TRYING to be. Most are fat washed up old men who feel power behind a keyboard and looking for a blow job here and there.

Most girls are nave and are willing to do whatever to make money and see passwords as a "safe" way of doing so. I can tell you that they DON'T work 100% and they only lead to bigger headaches a lot of the time. If a girl is actually intelligent and not a drug user she could easily handle the verification process on her own. We just don't see a lot of women with basic common sense doing this line of work.

Just look at Debra Hollander or Zara? Does they use a passwords? Look at their reviews and their verification process, do you ever hear about these providers ever having any issues? I guess its all about the clientele you are also trying to attract as well. I am very picky on who I see and if a picture isn't accompanied with a text I AM NOT seeing you. End of discussion.

I also don't agree with certain tactics on how these girls are being brought in to the industry by certain people but that's a post for another day..

Looks like they're no longer friends and now we all know why.

[Benz1]

A few years ago a few senior mongers were getting a little disappointed by the majority of members not willing to Take One for The Team. Just cruising on the site Lurking actually complaining that there's not enough talent.

I've taken one for the team many times more than I can count.
Like this one
Alisha / Lacy, Ms. Bad Bitc.
New name, new attitude. I know she always has a duo partner, so I was thinking with both heads when I told her that her gf can stay in the room. No reason she should have to sit in the parking lot. I thought she might lend a helping hand if needed.

She said her new menu was very open when we texted. 2 call setup, I parked in a restaurant next door. She wouldn't discuss the menu until I was naked on the bed, yes BBBJCIM ws was available but more money (upsell). I'm always ready to walk out of an upsell, so I told her I would get dressed take my donation and Leave. She said, this time because you're new, I'll do it for you at the regular rate. That blows any GFE if they start with upsell, so I thought this was going to be a short stay, she needed instructions, kept stopping hoping to miss the shot. I've been through this before, screw it tried FS, not working I hate the cover and she's not into it. Her past ads as Lacy always had her duo partner kissing her, so I know she likes girls and likes Daty, I pushed a pillow under her ass and dove in for lunch, she's definitely enjoying it Pop, shake and quivering and quivered again, I stuck my tongue down her throat then asked how she liked it, all she did was grin and nod. Then I told her that's how I want you to suck my dick, with all that extra play after I pop too. I told her we might need a helping hand from your gf, so she called her out of the bathroom (she was having a cigarette) then I told her to finger fuck her pussy while she gives me head, she let me lick her fingers for a taste, I was right she was loving it the fingers were soaked and tasted great too. Alisha's gf fingers set the rythum with a lot of slurping it didn't take long before her head was bobbing all the way down to the rythum of the slurping fingers. BAM and she swirled for awhile too.

The good. Good attitude and willing to please.

The bad. Tried to upsell, body is out of proportion wide hips with no tits. A's.

I don't feel like giving another lesson, maybe she needs Bloozer and his toy to stick her to the cieling.

The Link won't work right now, she's on bp escorts with 616232**** I will update the link later

The helping hand was entertaining but I probably won't repeat, there are other providers who already know what they're doing Sabrina, Angel, Kandi and Mercedes

A few of us were tired of being the only ones venturing out and taking the original risks to see providers and report back.

As a result I created a 12 step program to help all the lame whiners get out there and find some new talent that they were complaining there was a lack of.

Take One For The Team Guidelines (update # 4).

Step 1 : Find a girl you like, google her number search pics on Google Image.

1. A Search her number on Facebook. / It would wise to have a hobby (fake) FB page before searching.

Step 2 : Monitor the ad for at least 3 days, a sting from LE or Robbery set ups usually don't post for more than two days.

Step 3 : Let the usasexguide members know of your findings from google and ask if anyone has knowledge and you plan on TOFTT.

Step 4 : Buy a hobby phone, Do not use your real name for registration or to the provider.

Step 5 : Contact her on a slow day, for quicker response and better negotiations text or call on Tuesday or Wednesday. They get so many calls on a Friday they might lose your message.

A: Original contact should be a short stay or Hhr, to reduce the risk of an expensive bad date.

B: If her incall is a house address enter it into Google Street view to see the house and neighborhood.

If she gives you a location like 3 mile and Alpine, 28th street hotels between Division and 131, RRI, Knights INN on 28th. Tell her you won't go to those hotels and opt a for car date.

C: Save any negotiation for the end of the call or even your second contact. (a car date is 40 or less).

D: don't wear any loud clothing, blend in.

Step 6 : Never park in her driveway or the hotel parking lot. Park in the street or at a nearby business and walk. Example; if you go to motel 6 on 28th park in the restaurant lot.

Step 7 : Leave all valuables and drivers license at home or in the vehicle. Only take in the money you plan to spend.

Step 8 : Inform her if you are going to be late. If you're arriving early, contact the provider from a gas station a block away, so you and your vehicle do not raise suspicion. While waiting for her response, go in the bathroom and wash your balls while you wait. (providers biggest complaint is Hygiene). Contact her to say you are here. Do not go to any shady houses, just drive by and text her to let her know you will not be coming in her mouth tonight.

A: If you're at a house, have her meet you on the porch.

B: If the Hotel has a side door use it. If you have to walk by the front desk act like you live there, don't ask directions.

Step 9 : Knock on door. If the girl matches the pic stay, if not walk out and report back to USA that the pic doesn't match the girl.

Step 10: Check every room for safety.

Step 11 : Tell her you have the money and maybe show it to her but do not give up the cash until after you receive the services you negotiated for.

Step 12: Report back to USA in full detail including Looks, Smells & Cleanliness (of incall and provider), Attitude and Service.

12 A: Include a link to the providers advertisement so we know who you are reviewing.

These are some steps you should take before you TOFTT. Please add to the list if you see anything I missed.

Just trying to help.

[Benz1]

I've spent a lot of time Taking One For The Team.

One of the most important things to learn is Negotiations.

I hobby on weekdays. Tuesday and Wednesdays for me. They'll quote you the highest rate possible, learn to gently negotiate and try not to offend. For new contacts I text about 11 am on Tuesday, using a phone app on my hobby phone. Using the phone app allows me to negotiate to a number I know she will say No. I text again using my real hobby phone number with a better rate I know she'll say yes to because my phone app found out where the bottom is. I'm guessing I'm the only one texting her at 11 am on Tuesday and the hotel room has to be paid soon. She'll be willing to make a deal with me since the last text she got (from me also. LOL) was lower. This will never work Friday and Saturday, they have plenty of options and your negotiations will be ignored. You have to have game in this game. If not it'll cost you more than those that do. FYI most first time negotiations extend to the next weekday visits.

You're out of luck, If you can only monger on Friday and Saturday. Then it's time to tell the wife, options are getting thin and she'll have to take it on the chin.

[Benz1]

After you're all done having fun, use this review template for an accurate assessment for everyone to see.

Hobby Name:

Marketing: Advertises_UTR_Arrangement_.

Service Type:

Camera Friendly.

HJ_ CBJ_ BBBJ_ Throats_BLS_CIM_ Swallow_ CFS_ BBFS_ Daty_FIV_Greek_.

Extras: Prostrate massage_ Rim Job_ Pegging_ GFE_ MSOG_Fistable_Enjoys Being Toyed_ .

Rates:

Her Sweet Spot what is she particularly good / skilled at, if anything:

Apparent Skill Level:

Attitude:

Enthusiasm:

Personality: Friendly_Engaging_Talkative_Chatterbox_Sullen_Shy_Disinterested_Irritated_Can't Wait To Be Done_.

Hygiene:

Taste / smell of pussy Good_ ok_ Bad_.

Showered / shaved.

Breath.

Skin Condition:

Body type / physique:

Recent Accurate Pics?:

Attractiveness Face:

Attractiveness Body:

If you know what you are doing, can she enjoy herself?:

Phone Number (s) Used: If multiple numbers, list the most recent first - 7 of 10 digits_.

Email:

Website:

Affiliation, if any: Independent_ Agency_Massage Parlor_Strip Club_.

Hobby Acquaintances or Duo's With?

Age: Posted_ Looks like_.

Ethnicity:

Skin Tone:

Hair color:

Teeth: Missing? Meth teeth_.

Bust size:

Bust Appearance: Boltons_ Full_ Saggy _.

Tattoos:

Piercings: Location_.

Feet: _ Toe sucking_.

Smoker?: _ smoke with client?

Signs Of Substance Use?

Incall: Clean_ Messy_ Smelly_ Risky_.

Repeat at this incall? Repeat with this provider_.

Date of Meeting:

Overall Experience: Comments.

[Comrad]

I didn't reply in the thread, apparently your post can be compromised (deleted) if you respond to someone else's and that individual deletes their post.

Private Parts. You bring up good points. The risk of providing general remarks means that they don't fit every single person or provider. None of my negative remarks about password hoarding (or is it whoring?) pertain to people who doing it in the interest of the provider.

I still think passwords are stupid AF. How someone can determine the validity of another individual on this forum simply by the remarks they make is beyond me. I want nothing to do with people who use it for their own personal benefit. To say that everyone is using it to their own personal benefit was a bit too much, but why'all got to It does happen . And probably more so than you may be led to believe.

I've had to communicate via email with providers to gain their trust. Send a PM in this forum. Use another provider for reference. But a password from one member to another does not validate a client for a provider. At best you may think it does. At worst it's no different than a handler. Maybe we will have to agree to disagree there LOL.

Personally I'd prefer to keep you all out of my discussions with the beautiful women of GR and although the thought of a hot threesome is appealing, it unfortunately doesn't include you. Two ladies you bet, but not you.

The best providers you hear about on these forums don't use passwords because they don't need to. They find ways to ensure they see reasonable clients and not assholes. And per other posts it sounds like there's great providers that aren't reviewed here because they are truly UTR.

To each their own. It's pretty easy for me, I've found some people have the same experience I do with someone and it helps me to understand who I may want to visit based on the trustworthiness of their other posts. There are those I don't trust.

Some of the worst experiences I've had were from providers being unnecessarily promoted, many with a password.

Every single one of my great experiences didn't require the help of another member or password to make it happen.

Maybe I'm just lucky, but I think for me it's a pretty tried and true method to just go on my own and not let someone else moderate.

I think that the problem here is the definition of Under The Radar Providers. Unlike some of you stupid fucks that want to continually argue and brag about how big your old fat cock is, it actually means someone that doesn't want to openly post, probably a single mom who needs some extra cash to make it. This never works in my opinion because a girl that wants to see 10-15 regulars always ends up wanting to make more and posts on STG or some other site, when that happens, they are no longer UTR, just a regular provider. It is a unicorn in my opinion, if you find one let me know.

[Asianplvr]

I am pretty sure I have heard those exact words from someone here on the board. Interesting.

One more quick note that I didn't include earlier. If you have to be "friends" with someone to get a password don't you think you should know that person personally like actually have met the person? What classifies you as a friend of anyone then, your keyboard skills? I know I have personally seen certain "friends of" and they were the biggest assholes I have ever met and they got the boot quickly. Again verification is a very simple safe process if done correctly and efficiently.

I understand there are certain mongers out here that genuinely have the providers best interest at heart and want to help them out,These guys actually pay for the service. I am certainly not saying that all password holders are like this but in my experience certain ones only want free services or actually they expect it. I also believe that giving digits vs passwords is a BIG difference. Giving a girls number to a select few people that you can trust is different than having control of passwords and who can and cannot see your UTR. That is where the line gets crossed, when you start to encroach in the negotiations (ie asking to give discounts to certain friends) and also essentially picking the clientele for the provider.

Again my warning for all. If you are seeing a provider with a "password" handler you are only asking for trouble. If someone offers to give your number to a select few people to help you out that's a totally different situation and obviously a relationship has been built between the provided and the person handing out the number.

Looking at all the aspects of safety and I can understand how people would think a password is a safe bet but obviously that has now been proven to be fake news.

I agree with you totally! I have been a member here longer than most, at one time very active on the board and Always giving contact info to trusted members without needing to be my friend per say. I would never pretend or act as a pimp or handler to any of the providers. I'm not active here like I once was, several reasons for that that I won't go into but I will admit this password friend thing is a real turn off for me. This board is here to share information so we can find and have a great experience, share freely, don't hide behind passwords.

Thanks A2 if you let me be heard this time. Stay safe guys and girls, play nice!

[DjBiker]

Well once again "the king" is proven to be a bullshitter, he seemed to know about a providers business and she responded to counter his nonsense, when the fuk you idiots going to see him for what is and quit putting $$ in his pocket j / c man.

Congrats for the person that spoke up with great advice.

[VetteMan6981]

Well, probably not the best attitude and post to put out there if you were hoping to get to the good UTR's. Just my humble opinion.

If you read my post, it wasn't meant to be rude or disrespectful. Just stating that the couple UTRs that were shared with me weren't what I was hoping for or imagining. It was basically just a comment since everyone was talking about UTRs that day and was in no way meant to be disrespectful. If you read my reviews, I try to be open and honest and fair, even if it means saying a provider didn't live up to my expectations. Other side of that coin is I will give high praise when one goes above and beyond or does something that impresses me even if it is something little like being extra friendly or talkative.

[Benz1]

You'd think, but not really. I would say I've left more bad reviews of Benz's UTRs I've seen than good reviews. It hasn't affected my ability to get referrals from him. Most of us don't require obedience. Its not a cult. Be respectful and truthful. Don't mistreat the girl so she stays active.

They don't all start out good, they're not pros.

Hopefully they improve and don't fuck up and when they do we need real reviews like Monger01's to give us the real story.

If they screw up I'll be the first to say so. It's been awhile but it happens. Back when Lilliana was A UTR, fucking up and playing her games. Pretty girl knows the hobby well and hopped to get away with some bullshit. When a member asked about had anyone seen this one? I said don't go see her and Realtree40 had bad stories to match.

If any provider is no good, We need to Expose their Bullshit.

[HornyFlyer]

I am reasonably sure A2 can IP ban people. Forum engines I've used have that feature. Yes, they can use other sources but eventually you run out of alternate IPs. Paying for a proxy that changes IPs constantly is likely beyond what these children will bother with.

Yes, I too have ran businesses that had forums and IP banning is very effective, but sometimes you have to block a whole class of IP's, such as perhaps a kid in a college dorm room with dynamic IP's, or even cellphones, which can be tougher.

It's really quite a shame the immaturity of a lot of these guys is what it is. You don't have to like each other, but we are all trying to help each other. Trolls should be broomed swiftly and made examples of. Maybe we need more admins who could jump on it quicker. Being gone for a week it took me over an hour to wade through the whining BS from the same very few jerks who as usual, have nothing positive to provide, only attacking anyone and everyone.

[Blackfire]

Well now I am going to speak up.

I am going to give my perspective on passwords now that I am now being brought into it.

Passwords are used by handlers and those that are looking for freebies. Now its up to the girl to decide if they are going to oblige with those requests from those gentlemen, and I hate to even refer to these guys as gentlemen. I look at them like the pimps they are TRYING to be. Most are fat washed up old men who feel power behind a keyboard and looking for a blow job here and there.

Most girls are nave and are willing to do whatever to make money and see passwords as a "safe" way of doing so. I can tell you that they DON'T work 100% and they only lead to bigger headaches a lot of the time. If a girl is actually intelligent and not a drug user she could easily handle the verification process on her own. We just don't see a lot of women with basic common sense doing this line of work.

Just look at Debra Hollander or Zara? Does they use a passwords? Look at their reviews and their verification process, do you ever hear about these providers ever having any issues? I guess its all about the clientele you are also trying to attract as well. I am very picky on who I see and if a picture isn't accompanied with a text I AM NOT seeing you. End of discussion.

I also don't agree with certain tactics on how these girls are being brought in to the industry by certain people but that's a post for another day.

Red flags. When they try and text you saying "look at how much money I brought you" those guys are a P I M P and you need to run and stay FAR away from them. They will turn to other tactics to stalk if you don't comply with their requests. It ain't worth your safety in the long run.

IDK take my opinion as whatever but I am just offering my POV as a provider.

XOXO Hunter.

It's nice to get a perspective from a reputable provider. Thanks for speaking your opinion. Hopefully others who seldom speak out on the subject will also share their independent thoughts in such a respectful and forthright manner!

[Monger01]

we know they'll start over with new profiles, but at least they won't be senior members anymore, and it will be obvious who they are before they can re-establish that rank.

I am reasonably sure A2 can IP ban people. Forum engines I've used have that feature. Yes, they can use other sources but eventually you run out of alternate IPs. Paying for a proxy that changes IPs constantly is likely beyond what these children will bother with.

[Monger01]

Well, probably not the best attitude and post to put out there if you were hoping to get to the good UTR's. Just my humble opinion.

You'd think, but not really. I would say I've left more bad reviews of Benz's UTRs I've seen than good reviews. It hasn't affected my ability to get referrals from him. Most of us don't require obedience. Its not a cult. Be respectful and truthful. Don't mistreat the girl so she stays active.

[HornyFlyer]

Thanks to those who understand and will support the process positively.

Exactly correct.

I've been here in GR for a year now, starting from scratch, and although I've gotten some digits privately from several of our senior members, I've never even asked for a UTR's yet, for a couple reasons - 1) I don't have the play budget to do this very often. I play with permission, and try to keep it moderate, and 2) because of that, I usually can't jump right on a new UTR as they pop up on the radar from Benz or the others, and 3) I still feel like I'm building that rapport and trust in this forum by seeing known providers and providing accurate reviews when I see them to share to others. I try to be the example I'd like others to be. If only we all did that.

I am fairly new to USASG, but I'm over twenty years in the hobby. Patience and respect go way further. These young idiots ruin it for everyone. I hope the moderators hurry up and delete this riff-raff. They are a cancer and need to be cut out, and we know they'll start over with new profiles, but at least they won't be senior members anymore, and it will be obvious who they are before they can re-establish that rank.

For you guys with the UTR's. Thanks for the efforts and keeping them safe. I for one appreciate the efforts and hope to indulge some day with them, whether they are UTR or come out as a full provider.

HF.