"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[EvilTmp]

Greeting's gents, I was hoping to be seeking some wisdom form you all.

I remember taking advice from you all with a situation I had last time and I was able (along with some research) to procure a sugar baby or two on Maui. In some islands in Hawaii, the SB game is scarce and difficult, so I thank you all for helping me achieve such a feat. Recently though I ended up getting one who can host, but in turn got into a situation I never encountered before and would appreciate your wisdom from the experts.

I've been seeing this girl a few times at her place. Since the island is small, I try to keep everything private and discreet as possible. As far as I can tell she has not fully seen my car (only in the dead of night so it's inaccurate) nor does she know my phone either. The first few times and through messages she's been very chill and pleasing, but my last visit after we were having a cooldown from a session, she started talking about how she was having a fight with one of her renters. I of course don't judge and let her have her vent and try to say something neutral, but comforting. For some reason, some flip switched on her and she thought I was being rude or disrespectful. Could not diffuse the situation so tried to salvage the awkward moment, left my donation, and leave as quickly as possible with an awkward goodbye. I'm usually a good vibe with all the women I meet and the donation I give has been decent enough for them to not speak up about it so I'm not sure what I did wrong, but I do want to end my arrangement with her. How would you gents tackle this situation?

My Goal: To end the arrangement with her in a respectful manner. Maui is small so I do not wish to take the risk of seeing her again in public with some hostility towards me. I would like us to be strangers again like we never met.

I'm not sure if ghosting is a good idea because I wish for us to part on a good note (I usually discuss the end or our arrangement and we respectfully stop seeing one another). Any wisdom is appreciated and thank you. I'll be doing my own research as well. You are also free to PM me as well.

Mahalo, Stay Safe.

This is red pill 101. It's nothing you did wrong, she's trying to see how much power she has over you. She's trying to see how much control you have over yourself and others around you. Next time something like this happens with any girl, when you sensed a switch flipped in her head, you should have said "seems it's a tough situation for you" and just get up and leave in that instant. You don't lecture, explain, gush in excuses for a woman. You just remove yourself, your time, your attention, and your affection. It's her job to show why she belongs in your life, not you to grovel how lucky you are to have her. Once you internalize this and truly make it part of your mental model, the less and less you have to deal with this kind of bad behavior. They can sense it.

As for breaking it off the "want a serious relationship" is a great one. I would shy away from the wife excuse, especially if you are married. She could make it her mission to find her and tell her about your extracuriccular interests. Do tell her about the wife finding out if you are NOT married. LOL.

Other well-used reasons for breaking it off: "I'm falling in love with you", "I have work thing outside the state / country for x months".

If you can do try to see her one last time and keep things light and fun. Keep the usual donation and bring a small gift.

[Member #7176]

Tell her you are at a time of your life where you want a real relationship. You feel that having her in your life makes it that your too comfortable to seek a normal relationship. If your marry just say you're wife found out, and your trying to safe your marriage.

Tell her in person, and if your a gentleman tell her before you FC her. I always tell them after, and when I'm ready to leave. You never know if things get ugly and you have to leave real quick.

Greeting's gents, I was hoping to be seeking some wisdom form you all.

I remember taking advice from you all with a situation I had last time and I was able (along with some research) to procure a sugar baby or two on Maui. In some islands in Hawaii, the SB game is scarce and difficult, so I thank you all for helping me achieve such a feat. Recently though I ended up getting one who can host, but in turn got into a situation I never encountered before and would appreciate your wisdom from the experts.

I've been seeing this girl a few times at her place. Since the island is small, I try to keep everything private and discreet as possible. As far as I can tell she has not fully seen my car (only in the dead of night so it's inaccurate) nor does she know my phone either. The first few times and through messages she's been very chill and pleasing, but my last visit after we were having a cooldown from a session, she started talking about how she was having a fight with one of her renters. I of course don't judge and let her have her vent and try to say something neutral, but comforting. For some reason, some flip switched on her and she thought I was being rude or disrespectful. Could not diffuse the situation so tried to salvage the awkward moment, left my donation, and leave as quickly as possible with an awkward goodbye. I'm usually a good vibe with all the women I meet and the donation I give has been decent enough for them to not speak up about it so I'm not sure what I did wrong, but I do want to end my arrangement with her. How would you gents tackle this situation?

My Goal: To end the arrangement with her in a respectful manner. Maui is small so I do not wish to take the risk of seeing her again in public with some hostility towards me. I would like us to be strangers again like we never met.

I'm not sure if ghosting is a good idea because I wish for us to part on a good note (I usually discuss the end or our arrangement and we respectfully stop seeing one another). Any wisdom is appreciated and thank you. I'll be doing my own research as well. You are also free to PM me as well.

Mahalo, Stay Safe.

[DreamCatching]

Greeting's gents, I was hoping to be seeking some wisdom form you all.

I remember taking advice from you all with a situation I had last time and I was able (along with some research) to procure a sugar baby or two on Maui. In some islands in Hawaii, the SB game is scarce and difficult, so I thank you all for helping me achieve such a feat. Recently though I ended up getting one who can host, but in turn got into a situation I never encountered before and would appreciate your wisdom from the experts.

I've been seeing this girl a few times at her place. Since the island is small, I try to keep everything private and discreet as possible. As far as I can tell she has not fully seen my car (only in the dead of night so it's inaccurate) nor does she know my phone either. The first few times and through messages she's been very chill and pleasing, but my last visit after we were having a cooldown from a session, she started talking about how she was having a fight with one of her renters. I of course don't judge and let her have her vent and try to say something neutral, but comforting. For some reason, some flip switched on her and she thought I was being rude or disrespectful. Could not diffuse the situation so tried to salvage the awkward moment, left my donation, and leave as quickly as possible with an awkward goodbye. I'm usually a good vibe with all the women I meet and the donation I give has been decent enough for them to not speak up about it so I'm not sure what I did wrong, but I do want to end my arrangement with her. How would you gents tackle this situation?

My Goal: To end the arrangement with her in a respectful manner. Maui is small so I do not wish to take the risk of seeing her again in public with some hostility towards me. I would like us to be strangers again like we never met.

I'm not sure if ghosting is a good idea because I wish for us to part on a good note (I usually discuss the end or our arrangement and we respectfully stop seeing one another). Any wisdom is appreciated and thank you. I'll be doing my own research as well. You are also free to PM me as well.

Mahalo, Stay Safe.

[FarFarAway]

The most reliable means of paying is with the OneVanilla Prepaid, which looks like this, and which comes in interesting packaging, with a vertical window and a tear strip through it to open the thing up.

[RogerOver]

Gems are possible but I can just imagine the mountain range of shit you had to tunnel through before finding this one.

You just happen on a unicorn by accident. A few years back, I had one hit me up a day before my subscription expired. Gave her my number and let her know the clock was running out and I wasn't renewing. She sent me a text a few days later and we wound up having a blast for the next 9 months.

So it does happen periodically. Seemed easier back then, tbh.

[EvilTmp]

An update on this. I met her, and had two FC dates so far and next one in two days. She is a gem and definitely a keeper. After our first FC date she deactivated her SA profile (confirmed with my second dummy account). It was the first time that happened to me.

Play Safe.

Dr. S.

Gems are possible but I can just imagine the mountain range of shit you had to tunnel through before finding this one.

[DrSummer]

An update on this. I met her, and had two FC dates so far and next one in two days. She is a gem and definitely a keeper. After our first FC date she deactivated her SA profile (confirmed with my second dummy account). It was the first time that happened to me.

Play Safe.

Dr. S.

What's you guys opinion on a girl specifically saying single men only on her seeking page? I am chatting with a 26 yr old with that disclaimer on her profile. I am divorced and not an issue for me. Her communication is very good and she seems legit and I confirmed her identity with the information given to me. Asking for a meet & greet first to see if we connect. Not asking for anything to meet and no discussion of allowance yet. Setting up a meet next week. Just wanted to get expert opinion.

Play Safe.

Dr. S.

[DrSummer]

I wouldn't give any money for M& G (Cash or gift cards), but I would take care of all expenses (food, drinks etc). I don't send Uber money, but after we meet I would arrange an Uber for her to get back home. I have been in the sugar bowl for about 3 years now and on per month on average take 3 new girls to FC. You can do it without paying for M&G. When I started the bowl I had the habit of giving about $50 in cash or gift card after M&G. I quickly realized it has no impact on whether they meet meet me again let alone going to FC. In fact I found it was counter productive. Once you give the gift before heading to FC, more than likely you are not going to see them again. There are lots of Professional Meet & Greeters out there.

Play Safe.

Dr. S.

This one is 100% fake I'm sure:

https://www.seeking.com/member/6805b...5-339c607ca7bf

Very 1st response is she wants $150 for a lunch M&G and then $300 ppm for intimacy and gives her CashApp. Like I'm going to immediately send money.

Do you guys pay for M&G? Whether up front (SCAM!) or after meeting but no FC?

I have (in person) a couple times and every time was the last I've talked to those girls. This is another thing I feel that folks should stop doing.

Your thoughts?

Thanks and be safe!

[Tidad]

Simple answer is NO MONEY UPFRONT, er, unless you like being rinsed.

M&G is a job interview for the girl. If you want to give a gift at the M&G like FFA does then that is your choice. Any girl who wants to be compensated for a M&G is a firm "pass" in my book.

So even though you have done it in the pst, it is not something I would continue to do. BTW- girls talk and if you are a 'mark' they will come around for free money.

The only time I've paid even one dime before hand was booking a mid-tier porn actress for a 2 hour date. It was fun but I over paid.

[Shampoo55]

This one is 100% fake I'm sure:

https://www.seeking.com/member/6805b...5-339c607ca7bf

Very 1st response is she wants $150 for a lunch M&G and then $300 ppm for intimacy and gives her CashApp. Like I'm going to immediately send money.

Do you guys pay for M&G? Whether up front (SCAM!) or after meeting but no FC?

I have (in person) a couple times and every time was the last I've talked to those girls. This is another thing I feel that folks should stop doing.

Your thoughts?

Thanks and be safe!

Simple answer is NO MONEY UPFRONT, er, unless you like being rinsed.

M&G is a job interview for the girl. If you want to give a gift at the M&G like FFA does then that is your choice. Any girl who wants to be compensated for a M&G is a firm "pass" in my book.

So even though you have done it in the pst, it is not something I would continue to do. BTW- girls talk and if you are a 'mark' they will come around for free money.

[ItsAHobby45]

This one is 100% fake I'm sure:

https://www.seeking.com/member/6805b...5-339c607ca7bf

Very 1st response is she wants $150 for a lunch M&G and then $300 ppm for intimacy and gives her CashApp. Like I'm going to immediately send money.

Do you guys pay for M&G? Whether up front (SCAM!) or after meeting but no FC?

I have (in person) a couple times and every time was the last I've talked to those girls. This is another thing I feel that folks should stop doing.

Your thoughts?

Thanks and be safe!

Up until lately I've been very successful in the sugar bowl with 18-23 low / no mileage gorgeous babies and I never once have paid for a m&g. Out of all the girls I've taken to the FC, I've only had one m&g and I had no plans to get to to the FC. She was up front and said she didn't think she could do it so we agreed that I'd buy her some nice toys and we'd meet at a coffee shop to give her the toys. Only thing I asked was for lots of pictures and vids of the toys getting good use and she came through for a few months. I take the time to do m&g online through texts, Snapchat or video chats. I'm just too busy to risk m&g's that may turn into nothing. I also have a SO and don't want to risk being seen in public. After running into 3 different babies while out in public with my SO I have started to only sugar 50+ miles away from home.

[FarFarAway]

This one is 100% fake I'm sure:

https://www.seeking.com/member/6805b...5-339c607ca7bf

Very 1st response is she wants $150 for a lunch M&G and then $300 ppm for intimacy and gives her CashApp. Like I'm going to immediately send money.

Do you guys pay for M&G? Whether up front (SCAM!) or after meeting but no FC?

I have (in person) a couple times and every time was the last I've talked to those girls. This is another thing I feel that folks should stop doing.

Your thoughts?

Thanks and be safe!

Of course, nothing electronic beforehand. That's foolish. I have promised to give cash at the meet for gas, babysitter, uber, etc. I have also said that if the meeting goes well and we're moving toward an arrangement, I always have a 'nice gift. ' What I do there is typically a gift card, to Sephora or Victoria, of $25. That also lets me say something sappy when I give it to them, like 'every pretty girl likes. '. If I am meeting at a coffee place, I will sometimes give the girl cash and ask her to get me a drink with hers, and have her keep the change. If you order together, be sure to give a nice tip. Doesn't pay at all to look cheap (even if you are).

[FanRat]

This one is 100% fake I'm sure:

https://www.seeking.com/member/6805b...5-339c607ca7bf

Very 1st response is she wants $150 for a lunch M&G and then $300 ppm for intimacy and gives her CashApp. Like I'm going to immediately send money.

Do you guys pay for M&G? Whether up front (SCAM!) or after meeting but no FC?

I have (in person) a couple times and every time was the last I've talked to those girls. This is another thing I feel that folks should stop doing.

Your thoughts?

Thanks and be safe!

[Alkalinedio]

Indeed!

Looks good to me haha.

#metoo. Did I use that correctly?

[Wysiwug]

#metoo. Did I use that correctly?

LOL. #metoo as well!