Bullshit that has Nothing to do With Pussy

**Desparado** · 03-21-21 13:23

"Anti-Asian hatred has indeed elevated since the time the virus began. This is documented and wholly accepted as fact. ".

LOL, perhaps accepted as an, ahem, "fact", in your mind but you do not know the minds of others, you can only speak for yourself and express your opinion. There has been concern regarding the role of the Chinese government, but this is separate from the Chinese people whom they rule and oppress. This concern regarding the Chinese government is because of their actions, not their race. If a different race acted the same we would have the same concern regarding their actions, regardless of their race. I understand that it can be confusing if you spend any time watching mainstream news or reading social media.

**PghTraveler** · 03-21-21 00:12

He was a fucked up religious wacko who went to AMPs. It's racially motivated to the extent that a lot of guys believe the myth that Asian women are a special variety of pussy, "me love you long time," etc. He could have lit up a bunch of orange tanned strippers but he didn't.

Originally Posted by Il630 [View Original Post]

The simpler explanation is that he had a sexual addiction and this was his way of attacking it. I think someone has to go through more mental gymnastics to prove this was racially-motivated. If it was racially-motivated why did he kill one Hispanic male customer and one white female customer? Yes, white female. She was there with her husband for a couples massage. Also, if you read the Atlanta board you will see that one of these Asian massage parlors often had Latina therapists working.

**Amplitude** · 03-20-21 21:46

Originally Posted by Ump1969 [View Original Post]

Has it occurred to any of you discussing what happened in Atlanta that you are doing the same things you criticize the media for. Which is making assumptions before knowing the facts? The ironic thing is that t would think that people on this site would understand what is going on better than most in the media. We have many members that have been to AMPs and know what they are. I tend to agree with those that don't believe what he did was racist. But I don't know for sure. I never met the guy. The possibilities are many. Did he get tossed out of places for asking for too much? Was he not able to negotiate the price he wanted for extras? Did some girl piss him off and bruise his ego? How was he doing sexwise away from the spas? Was he not getting any anywhere else and trying to take it out on spa girls? Forget the media, guys! We know the situation better than most media people. But none of us knows the killer. But I'll bet we all know someone very passed off and frustrated, either personally or through this forum.

By the way, has anyone noted the irony. These were AMPs. The girls were sex workers. I'm not saying the girls were bad. They may have been brought over here as sex slaves. They may not have even knows why they were coming. They have been promised one thing and ended up in the spas instead. But now they are practically heroes in the eyes of the media because of all the attacks everywhere on Asians. To me, there are no heroes in this story. The girls may have been victimized by being brought here as sex slaves long before getting killed. How many times in the past few years has the media gone on crusades against the sex industry? But the media has never missed a chance to take political advantage of a situation, whether or not they know the facts or even care about the facts.

If you want to really dig down, you'll find 1934-'38 to 1968 federal gun control legislation passed into law, versus 1986 to present gun law liberalization.

This troubled kid was able to buy a 9 mm on the spot with no waiting period in Georgia. Fuck that with the "how would that law have stopped him?" arguments. It's 30-years of loosening federal and state laws and the Supreme Court ruling municipal regulations unconstitutional. It's not just one "law," it's 30-cumulative years of dozens of freewheeling gun legislation.

I can't fathom how those concerned with this Forum's subject matter could find common cause with gun fucks.

**Jinurso** · 03-20-21 19:33

Originally Posted by ApplePiePussy [View Original Post]

But the fact that the headlines read "Resigns" and "Part ways" instead of "Fired" or "Terminated" does not strengthen your rebuttal and in fact strengthens my original point. If she was white, they would have shit canned her. They would have made sure she never works again period.

Look I get that a lot of this is based on misguided attempts to right the wrongs of the past. But creating double standards and engaging in hypocrisy does not improve race relations. It only makes it worse.

Asian Americans have been dealing with prejudice and racism since the first Chinese laborers came over to build the country's railroads. The reason why it has taken so long to come under scrutiny is because Asians, by and large, are more successful per capita than other races. And so society has hesitated to call them victims because we base everything on wealth. Not only that but failed policies like Affirmative Action which were intended to get more Black and Brown students into Ivy League schools have come at the expense of Asian-American applicants whose applications are being rejected despite having superior academic credentials. This makes race relations worse, not better. The better answer is investment in inner city schools and neighborhoods. But this is an escort forum and this is a discussion for another time and another place.

Disgraced public figures regularly "quit to spend more time with their family. " It's such a common phrase that it's become a punchline. Chris Harrison himself said he was "stepping away" to "learn from the experience. ".

We all know what that really means.

Also, nobody who is "canceled" for saying racist or sexist things ever stays canceled. They lay low for a year or two and then resurface. Chris Harrison is taking the season off and then he'll be back. Nobody ever "never works again" because of what they tweeted, no matter what what race.

**Ump1969** · 03-20-21 19:13

Has it occurred to any of you discussing what happened in Atlanta that you are doing the same things you criticize the media for. Which is making assumptions before knowing the facts? The ironic thing is that t would think that people on this site would understand what is going on better than most in the media. We have many members that have been to AMPs and know what they are. I tend to agree with those that don't believe what he did was racist. But I don't know for sure. I never met the guy. The possibilities are many. Did he get tossed out of places for asking for too much? Was he not able to negotiate the price he wanted for extras? Did some girl piss him off and bruise his ego? How was he doing sexwise away from the spas? Was he not getting any anywhere else and trying to take it out on spa girls? Forget the media, guys! We know the situation better than most media people. But none of us knows the killer. But I'll bet we all know someone very passed off and frustrated, either personally or through this forum.

By the way, has anyone noted the irony. These were AMPs. The girls were sex workers. I'm not saying the girls were bad. They may have been brought over here as sex slaves. They may not have even knows why they were coming. They have been promised one thing and ended up in the spas instead. But now they are practically heroes in the eyes of the media because of all the attacks everywhere on Asians. To me, there are no heroes in this story. The girls may have been victimized by being brought here as sex slaves long before getting killed. How many times in the past few years has the media gone on crusades against the sex industry? But the media has never missed a chance to take political advantage of a situation, whether or not they know the facts or even care about the facts.

**ApplePiePussy** · 03-20-21 18:40

Originally Posted by Jinurso [View Original Post]

You make some good points about racism being perhaps used as a motive more often than is warranted specifically to raise the temperature of a debate. However, I disagree with one thing you said in particular. The highest profile "cancelation" due to anti-Asian comments was actually a black woman, Alexi McCammond. She lost her job as the new Teen Vogue editor over 2011 tweets that were seen as anti-Asian. Nobody is immune.

But the fact that the headlines read "Resigns" and "Part ways" instead of "Fired" or "Terminated" does not strengthen your rebuttal and in fact strengthens my original point. If she was white, they would have shit canned her. They would have made sure she never works again period.

Look I get that a lot of this is based on misguided attempts to right the wrongs of the past. But creating double standards and engaging in hypocrisy does not improve race relations. It only makes it worse.

Asian Americans have been dealing with prejudice and racism since the first Chinese laborers came over to build the country's railroads. The reason why it has taken so long to come under scrutiny is because Asians, by and large, are more successful per capita than other races. And so society has hesitated to call them victims because we base everything on wealth. Not only that but failed policies like Affirmative Action which were intended to get more Black and Brown students into Ivy League schools have come at the expense of Asian-American applicants whose applications are being rejected despite having superior academic credentials. This makes race relations worse, not better. The better answer is investment in inner city schools and neighborhoods. But this is an escort forum and this is a discussion for another time and another place.

**Jinurso** · 03-20-21 17:33

You make some good points about racism being perhaps used as a motive more often than is warranted specifically to raise the temperature of a debate. However, I disagree with one thing you said in particular. The highest profile "cancelation" due to anti-Asian comments was actually a black woman, Alexi McCammond. She lost her job as the new Teen Vogue editor over 2011 tweets that were seen as anti-Asian. Nobody is immune.

Originally Posted by ApplePiePussy [View Original Post]

I think one issue here is that in the current political climate, the term racism is liberally ascribed to the actions of white people, many times warranted, and yet many times not. While at the same time, actions taken by minority groups, which can be objectively called racist in nature do not receive the same attention or scrutiny or even the same designation.

Anti-Asian hatred has indeed elevated since the time the virus began. This is documented and wholly accepted as fact. However, overwhelmingly, the perpetrators of hateful actions against Asians in this country are themselves minorities which is why it has flown largely under the radar in the mainstream media, aside from some notable examples such as the story in the NBA of somebody calling Jeramy Lin "Coronavirus". And even then, the response was muted. Had it been a white player who was suspected of saying it, he would have been ran out of the league. Likewise, in the case of Dallas Mavericks star Luka Doncic who was recently called a "***** ass white boy" by an African American player on the court, the media, societal, and league wide response was especially interesting considering what it would have been if the situation was reversed.

I'm not here to defend this pos nor am I particularly interested in making assumptions into his motives which are appear to be driven by an unstable mind. However, it really does seem in this case that the motive was already decided on the day of the attacks by the mainstream media and a collection of Asian-American celebrities and twitterati who needed an opportunity to express the frustrations of dealing with increased Asian-American hatred over the past year due to the coronavirus. That opportunity arose in a politically convenient situation (white perpetrator) and the floodgates opened.

**ApplePiePussy** · 03-20-21 16:32

Originally Posted by Fit312 [View Original Post]

Whatever the ultimate facts are in this case, people tend to twist themselves into knots when it comes to racial matters. I guess it's sort of a perverse triumph of liberalism that people seem to attach a greater stigma to racism than murder.

I think one issue here is that in the current political climate, the term racism is liberally ascribed to the actions of white people, many times warranted, and yet many times not. While at the same time, actions taken by minority groups, which can be objectively called racist in nature do not receive the same attention or scrutiny or even the same designation.

Anti-Asian hatred has indeed elevated since the time the virus began. This is documented and wholly accepted as fact. However, overwhelmingly, the perpetrators of hateful actions against Asians in this country are themselves minorities which is why it has flown largely under the radar in the mainstream media, aside from some notable examples such as the story in the NBA of somebody calling Jeramy Lin "Coronavirus". And even then, the response was muted. Had it been a white player who was suspected of saying it, he would have been ran out of the league. Likewise, in the case of Dallas Mavericks star Luka Doncic who was recently called a "***** ass white boy" by an African American player on the court, the media, societal, and league wide response was especially interesting considering what it would have been if the situation was reversed.

I'm not here to defend this pos nor am I particularly interested in making assumptions into his motives which are appear to be driven by an unstable mind. However, it really does seem in this case that the motive was already decided on the day of the attacks by the mainstream media and a collection of Asian-American celebrities and twitterati who needed an opportunity to express the frustrations of dealing with increased Asian-American hatred over the past year due to the coronavirus. That opportunity arose in a politically convenient situation (white perpetrator) and the floodgates opened.

**Moejoo** · 03-20-21 16:10

Originally Posted by NitroPimp [View Original Post]

Well said! As more and more information comes out, this was not about Asian hate. It was about a sex addiction gone bipolar.

I have several friends on WeChat and not a single one has brought this up to me or has complained about any Asian hate.

However when I did ask one girl if she was going to Chinatown for the new year she said no, it's too dangerous there! I believe that week what's a couple of murders in Chinatown.

But those that want to find racism everywhere will ignore the facts and continue to try to manufacture hysteria and division.

**JustAMonger** · 03-20-21 08:14

Originally Posted by Jinurso [View Original Post]

Let me put it this way. If the massage parlors were exactly the same but filled with Russians instead of Asians, would he have still shot everybody inside? If the answer is yes, then race is not the motivating factor.

From the indications so far, the answer to that question would have been yes. He frequented those places, probably because AMPs are traditionally one of the cheapest forms of sexual release that is available on demand. Then for whatever reason he snapped and decided that they were tools of the devil. I don't think it's mental gymnastics at all to believe all of that is possible without the term "asian" entering his mind even once.

Don't interpret that as defending him. The dude deserves to rot in hell and I hope he's executed for it. But part of understanding motive is taking an honest and objective approach to an investigation. Automatically concluding its a racist attack just because it fits neatly into a storyline cuts out our ability to pursue truth.

Truth is important because it allows us to know the best way to respond as a society. Do we look more closely at racist hate groups or at incels as the source of additional potential copycat attacks? Knowing the truth gives us the answer to that. It allows us to know who is in more danger next, a mexican brothel or an Asian market..

Well said! As more and more information comes out, this was not about Asian hate. It was about a sex addiction gone bipolar.

I have several friends on WeChat and not a single one has brought this up to me or has complained about any Asian hate.

However when I did ask one girl if she was going to Chinatown for the new year she said no, it's too dangerous there! I believe that week what's a couple of murders in Chinatown.

**Fit312** · 03-20-21 05:53

Originally Posted by Fdottt [View Original Post]

Why go out of your way to try to "defend" the guy like you were there with him or are inside his mind? What do you specifically get out of it? It's like some people just can't stand something being called racist. It's so offensive to them.

Whatever the ultimate facts are in this case, people tend to twist themselves into knots when it comes to racial matters. I guess it's sort of a perverse triumph of liberalism that people seem to attach a greater stigma to racism than murder.

**Amplitude** · 03-20-21 02:06

Originally Posted by Vbenny [View Original Post]

I normally enjoy your posts a lot. You are typically super informative and sometimes entertaining. This one just misses the mark though. How can you say it's a bit of a stretch that race was the driving factor with this? He killed 7 Asians out of 8 people total that's a pretty clear pattern. Why is it easier to say that this complete stranger was a religious nut than a racist? You do know the two can both be true at the same time, right? You also realize that there are a ton of religious nuts that don't go around murdering multiple Asian women in a single day. Regardless of what he said motivated him he went to three separate Asian spas to shoot up and did just that. He could've shot hot girls of all races that were tempting anywhere. He could've killed sex workers in any number of different ways, but he chose this way. I don't know this awful fuck, and I hope I never end up in a spot getting shot up like this as a monger, but I'm a lot more willing to think this was racially motivated than chop it up to happenstance. To completely dismiss this being racially driven requires mental gymnastics at this point.

This terrible event has smoked me out. Full disclosure: A certain area newspaper sports section's thumbnail ads first interested me 25 years ago.

Georgia's new hate crime statute will be ruled on by the presiding judge for whether this crime fits. Regardless-and as others have pointed out: this young man will at least be going away for the rest of his life.

I do find it hilarious, however, to read on this platform, of all platforms, a seeming preference for all public policy of the "right" rather than the "left" when the former is fine with keeping the activity discussed here criminalised, the latter quite the opposite.

**Jinurso** · 03-20-21 01:19

Originally Posted by Vbenny [View Original Post]

I normally enjoy your posts a lot. You are typically super informative and sometimes entertaining. This one just misses the mark though. How can you say it's a bit of a stretch that race was the driving factor with this? He killed 7 Asians out of 8 people total that's a pretty clear pattern. Why is it easier to say that this complete stranger was a religious nut than a racist? You do know the two can both be true at the same time, right? You also realize that there are a ton of religious nuts that don't go around murdering multiple Asian women in a single day. Regardless of what he said motivated him he went to three separate Asian spas to shoot up and did just that. He could've shot hot girls of all races that were tempting anywhere. He could've killed sex workers in any number of different ways, but he chose this way. I don't know this awful fuck, and I hope I never end up in a spot getting shot up like this as a monger, but I'm a lot more willing to think this was racially motivated than chop it up to happenstance. To completely dismiss this being racially driven requires mental gymnastics at this point.

Originally Posted by Fdottt [View Original Post]

Why go out of your way to try to "defend" the guy like you were there with him or are inside his mind? What do you specifically get out of it? It's like some people just can't stand something being called racist. It's so offensive to them.

Let me put it this way. If the massage parlors were exactly the same but filled with Russians instead of Asians, would he have still shot everybody inside? If the answer is yes, then race is not the motivating factor.

From the indications so far, the answer to that question would have been yes. He frequented those places, probably because AMPs are traditionally one of the cheapest forms of sexual release that is available on demand. Then for whatever reason he snapped and decided that they were tools of the devil. I don't think it's mental gymnastics at all to believe all of that is possible without the term "asian" entering his mind even once.

Don't interpret that as defending him. The dude deserves to rot in hell and I hope he's executed for it. But part of understanding motive is taking an honest and objective approach to an investigation. Automatically concluding its a racist attack just because it fits neatly into a storyline cuts out our ability to pursue truth.

Truth is important because it allows us to know the best way to respond as a society. Do we look more closely at racist hate groups or at incels as the source of additional potential copycat attacks? Knowing the truth gives us the answer to that. It allows us to know who is in more danger next, a mexican brothel or an Asian market.

Anti-asian sentiment is way up, and that's a tragedy, but it doesn't necessarily follow that every bad thing that happens to Asians during this period is the result of anti-asian sentiment. No matter what your political persuasion, truth should always matter above anything else. It may turn out that there is a racial motive that hasn't been uncovered yet, but the bulk of what's been released so far argues against it.

**CocoBolo8** · 03-19-21 22:35

Originally Posted by Il630 [View Original Post]

The simpler explanation is that he had a sexual addiction and this was his way of attacking it. I think someone has to go through more mental gymnastics to prove this was racially-motivated.

While there might have been a racial component, I think this is probably right. There are plenty of Asian businesses besides massage parlors. Restaurants, nail salons, etc. Since he attacked only massage parlors, logic would tell you that he was focusing on the type of business.