Stupid Shit in NoVa

[Bunker Buster]

Is the mentality that causes this kind of divide to begin with. I know little to nothing about politics, admittedly. But what I'm good at is human psychology. And here is where I'll dissect your post, because frankly you make some strong points. You call me out and tell me companies refused to accept payers tax dollars, which may be true. They're getting paid from somewhere I just don't know the details. And that's ok. I don't claim to be an expert, my studies are focused elsewhere. But telling me that conservatism doesn't offer any good points and implying that by not being an extreme liberal I'm somehow racist, undemocratic, and a Qanon supporter is just wrong. You're falling into the exact trap that I talked about in my post, you're hating on an entire group of people that share a different opinion than you. Rather than fostering an environment of acceptance and trying to include people and bring them together despite having different outlooks on the world. You're making them an enemy. (How's that for status quo). Even if the other side is 90% wrong and 10% right. Even if conservatism for the most part is outdated. We owe it to ourselves to hear people out because at the end of the day a person has undergone some struggle to get to that point. The point where trump even becomes an appealing candidate is done by some struggle that has been simply ignored by the other party, and I'm not going to pretend I know what it is because I don't. But let's put it into something I can understand. When we closed down the economy and forced people into quarantine. We undoubtedly destroyed people's livelihoods. We killed small businesses and forced many family owned restaurants out of business. We kept people safe, but at what cost?

And that doesn't mean I think what we did was the wrong thing. Maybe it was the right call. We had to mitigate this pandemic that did also kill hundreds of thousands of lives, and maybe even more if we didn't do what we did. But even still that doesn't mean we can deny the consequences of doing so. Every action has an equal but opposite reaction. I'm not an expert but by fostering an environment of inclusion and mutual respect all I'm saying is that I double my chances of finding experts from BOTH sides in order to yield an ideal solution.

During one of the early Democratic debates in 2015, the candidates were asked who their enemies were. Hillary and others named the Republican Party, the NRA, and other conservative institutions, but when the question came to Jim Webb, he said "I don't consider any American to be my enemy. The only enemy I ever had was on the battlefield in Vietnam".

Conservatism and liberalism share some common ground, and dismissing one or the other as having "nothing to offer" is dismissing 1/3 or more of the population as irrelevant.

Occupy Wall Street, MAGA, and QAnon some common threads running through them, and people who align with "outsider" movements are motivated by an explanation or answer to something they see happening in the country. Government corruption, corporate cronyism, and various kinds of abuse of power are real, even if they don't fit the complete narratives of these movements. The solution isn't to dismiss everyone who follows one or more of these movements, but to ask why they feel the need to go outside of mainstream politics.

The atmosphere on the internet tends towards attacks and insults, but if we make the effort, we can talk to each other and get to the heart of what people care about. Seeing each other as having legitimate concerns, even if mistaken, as opposed to being "ignorant" or "evil" is a good start.

[FloorHump422]

I see a lot of escort agencies (e. G. BG) described in the massage parlor forum. Could I ask that you post messages in the appropriate forum? Thanks.

BG is a PV agency. Few of their girls offer FS, therefore it is appropriate to classify them as a massage parlor.

[DogBert25]

I see a lot of escort agencies (e. G. BG) described in the massage parlor forum. Could I ask that you post messages in the appropriate forum? Thanks.

[Shinshi]

Brothers, my take on this is simple: if the government wants us to shut everything down to keep us safe, then the government should keep us whole in the meantime. Not just rich people who have lobbied for favors, but all of us.

The failing of government today is that while they state what is safe or not, they offer no systematic method of allowing people to live decently if those people previously had a livelihood based on social gatherings. It is shut down, stay home, and if you cannot work from home, then starve. This is the modern failing of government.

Perfectly put, 1000% agreed with everything you said! It's borderline depressing to see both conservatives and liberals in this country slinging mud, claiming how their ideology / cause is right and how their party's leaders know how to govern / lead while the other side of the aisle are the "enemy" and whatnot. When in fact the average politician couldn't give two shits about you or me. They care about furthering their agenda, staying in power longer, getting incentives from various interest groups or companies whom they go to bat for, etc. If any of you genuinely believes that your representative, senator, or President is somehow different than all the rest, then you must still believe Santa Clause is real and that hookers actually love you.

Personally, I'm on the fence about whether or not this pandemic is as serious as they make it out to be. Nevertheless I still wear a mask everywhere, got vaccinated twice (had to for work), and see certain family and friends sparingly. And while I'm incredibly fortunate to still be working, I know plenty who are unemployed and at their wit's end as to what they're going to do next. The government shut everything down, but then failed to come up with a viable plan B in the meantime, dragging its feet on a relief package until whatever came our way barely put a dent in groceries (never mind the rent or utilities bill).

I find it inexcusable that the government was this woefully unprepared for this type of scenario. On a slightly smaller scale, it reminds me of when the Bush administration delayed with its Hurricane Katrina relief preparations and engaging in rescues. If you know some type of problem is inevitable, how can the right answer be sit back & do nothing? Or to be so criminally unprepared or inactive? Did they truly believe a pandemic of this scale wasn't possible this day & age? Did they learn nothing from avian flu, SARS, influenza, etc.? And as a side note, why is it that some people can't abide by simple instructions or humor others with a mask, social distancing, and whatnot? I'll never understand those people who essentially give everyone the finger and potentially prolong this never-ending shitshow? This applies exponentially if you fall under the high-risk category. It's one thing to endanger yourself, and quite another to endanger others.

Bottom line: I don't expect the government to be perfect in everything. No one can rightly claim to have all the answers. But this pandemic has been a major shitshow for the history books. Decades--hell, centuries--from now, people will look back and rightfully laugh at our expense. While it won't solve all our issues, voting in leaders who will take decisive action and not be held back / beholden to the top 1% will go some way in helping us move forward as a country. Because what we've experienced these last 10 years? It's no longer a liberal or conservative problem. It's something which affects the 99%. So stop being pissed at only one side and start holding them ALL accountable for letting us down.

[SonChi]

Is the mentality that causes this kind of divide to begin with. I know little to nothing about politics, admittedly. But what I'm good at is human psychology. And here is where I'll dissect your post, because frankly you make some strong points. You call me out and tell me companies refused to accept payers tax dollars, which may be true. They're getting paid from somewhere I just don't know the details. And that's ok. I don't claim to be an expert, my studies are focused elsewhere. But telling me that conservatism doesn't offer any good points and implying that by not being an extreme liberal I'm somehow racist, undemocratic, and a Qanon supporter is just wrong. You're falling into the exact trap that I talked about in my post, you're hating on an entire group of people that share a different opinion than you. Rather than fostering an environment of acceptance and trying to include people and bring them together despite having different outlooks on the world. You're making them an enemy. (How's that for status quo). Even if the other side is 90% wrong and 10% right. Even if conservatism for the most part is outdated. We owe it to ourselves to hear people out because at the end of the day a person has undergone some struggle to get to that point. The point where trump even becomes an appealing candidate is done by some struggle that has been simply ignored by the other party, and I'm not going to pretend I know what it is because I don't. But let's put it into something I can understand. When we closed down the economy and forced people into quarantine. We undoubtedly destroyed people's livelihoods. We killed small businesses and forced many family owned restaurants out of business. We kept people safe, but at what cost?

And that doesn't mean I think what we did was the wrong thing. Maybe it was the right call. We had to mitigate this pandemic that did also kill hundreds of thousands of lives, and maybe even more if we didn't do what we did. But even still that doesn't mean we can deny the consequences of doing so. Every action has an equal but opposite reaction. I'm not an expert but by fostering an environment of inclusion and mutual respect all I'm saying is that I double my chances of finding experts from BOTH sides in order to yield an ideal solution.

Brothers, my take on this is simple: if the government wants us to shut everything down to keep us safe, then the government should keep us whole in the meantime. Not just rich people who have lobbied for favors, but all of us.

The failing of government today is that while they state what is safe or not, they offer no systematic method of allowing people to live decently if those people previously had a livelihood based on social gatherings. It is shut down, stay home, and if you cannot work from home, then starve. This is the modern failing of government.

Calling ourselves conservative or liberal does not negate this fundamental fact: we are undeserving our most vulnerable populations, including our disabled veterans, the elderly who are poor and working families, in the richest country in the history of the world and we have no true universal health care, no properly set living wage, and a broken system of winners and losers created by lobbyists called the stock market. That the market is still trading and picking winners despite the pandemic is just wrong.

So, I have mixed feelings. Based on all of the waste in the government, paying the people who are forced to stay home should be a drop in the bucket. If everyone stayed home for 1 to 2 months, but lost nothing due to a subsidy that can be paid for by removing tax loop hole from some billionaires plus access to a vaccine, this would work and get us back to work fast. Stop trading on wall street until we get back to work. Then recover together.

Back to the regularly scheduled program.

[TheOuroboros]

What legitimate points does conservatism have? We haven't seen true conservatism in this country since the '50's. What could possibly be attractive about maintaining the status quo of gross inequality we currently live in? As to your point about the vaccine, the health care companies made a point of not accepting tax-payer funding during its development. If anything, Trump contributed negatively to its development by challenging the advice of medical professionals and completely ignoring any sort of national response to the virus.

Being a moderate these days is a tacit acceptance of the undemocratic and oligarchical practices of the GOP aka the Qanon Party. If our "left" is center everywhere else in the world, where does being in the "center" here put you?

Is the mentality that causes this kind of divide to begin with. I know little to nothing about politics, admittedly. But what I'm good at is human psychology. And here is where I'll dissect your post, because frankly you make some strong points. You call me out and tell me companies refused to accept payers tax dollars, which may be true. They're getting paid from somewhere I just don't know the details. And that's ok. I don't claim to be an expert, my studies are focused elsewhere. But telling me that conservatism doesn't offer any good points and implying that by not being an extreme liberal I'm somehow racist, undemocratic, and a Qanon supporter is just wrong. You're falling into the exact trap that I talked about in my post, you're hating on an entire group of people that share a different opinion than you. Rather than fostering an environment of acceptance and trying to include people and bring them together despite having different outlooks on the world. You're making them an enemy. (How's that for status quo). Even if the other side is 90% wrong and 10% right. Even if conservatism for the most part is outdated. We owe it to ourselves to hear people out because at the end of the day a person has undergone some struggle to get to that point. The point where trump even becomes an appealing candidate is done by some struggle that has been simply ignored by the other party, and I'm not going to pretend I know what it is because I don't. But let's put it into something I can understand. When we closed down the economy and forced people into quarantine. We undoubtedly destroyed people's livelihoods. We killed small businesses and forced many family owned restaurants out of business. We kept people safe, but at what cost?

And that doesn't mean I think what we did was the wrong thing. Maybe it was the right call. We had to mitigate this pandemic that did also kill hundreds of thousands of lives, and maybe even more if we didn't do what we did. But even still that doesn't mean we can deny the consequences of doing so. Every action has an equal but opposite reaction. I'm not an expert but by fostering an environment of inclusion and mutual respect all I'm saying is that I double my chances of finding experts from BOTH sides in order to yield an ideal solution.

[Deranged]

OK.

The CDC is pretty clear "some" not millions, not many, not "a disturbing amount" (which is what millions would be) but "some. ".

Dr. Fauci and the rest of the Coronavirus Task Force held a nationally televised briefing today in which they talked about long-term COVID for the first term. You know who Dr. Fauci is, right? He runs the NIAID and reports to the director of the CDC and runs the US coronavirus response. Fauci and the Task Force even cited the exact same studies that I cited earlier.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/24/fauc...-9-months.html.[/QUOTE]So, yes, you are right about that website today, but it looks like that website will be changing very soon.

[FloorHump422]

My personal take on politics is that it's all a load of bullshit. I fall right down the middle and I think both sides have some strong and legitimate points. I just wish society would go back to actually hearing people out, debate style. Rather than just ignorantly labeling people as filthy trump supporters or filthy liberals. Gone our the days of intelligent and civil conversation. Do I want government getting all up in our grill, forcing business closures and stabbing away at our personal freedom? Hell no. But do I also want to walk around in a mad max town with a bunch of people who aren't following covid protocol / no masks and coughing up in my face because they think it's a hoax? Fuck no. There's a middle ground where we can rely on our government to enforce these things and allocate our tax dollars properly into funding a vaccine (which lets be proud we did just that!) but also allow the economy not to collapse in on itself. The problem circles back to two parties hating each other and not willing to compromise.

I'll be the first to say I didn't like Trump. I think he set a bad example by refusing to wear a mask in public because that definitely sends the wrong message. But let's give credit where credit is due the guy put his signature on the bill to get started on a vaccine ASAP. There seems to only be two extreme solutions. Lock everything up and let business go to shit. Or ignore the virus completely take the gamble on whether you live or die. Come on guys, there's a common ground. Whether your red or blue we all like to smash pussy, so let's start from there! And then work our way up to finding out how best to handle a pandemic!

While this ain't exactly the site for this topic. The forum is called STUPID SHIT in NOVA so I think it's fair game.

What legitimate points does conservatism have? We haven't seen true conservatism in this country since the '50's. What could possibly be attractive about maintaining the status quo of gross inequality we currently live in? As to your point about the vaccine, the health care companies made a point of not accepting tax-payer funding during its development. If anything, Trump contributed negatively to its development by challenging the advice of medical professionals and completely ignoring any sort of national response to the virus.

Being a moderate these days is a tacit acceptance of the undemocratic and oligarchical practices of the GOP aka the Qanon Party. If our "left" is center everywhere else in the world, where does being in the "center" here put you?

[HellBoyX]

My personal take on politics is that it's all a load of bullshit. I fall right down the middle and I think both sides have some strong and legitimate points. I just wish society would go back to actually hearing people out, debate style. Rather than just ignorantly labeling people as filthy trump supporters or filthy liberals. Gone our the days of intelligent and civil conversation. Do I want government getting all up in our grill, forcing business closures and stabbing away at our personal freedom? Hell no. But do I also want to walk around in a mad max town with a bunch of people who aren't following covid protocol / no masks and coughing up in my face because they think it's a hoax? Fuck no. There's a middle ground where we can rely on our government to enforce these things and allocate our tax dollars properly into funding a vaccine (which lets be proud we did just that!) but also allow the economy not to collapse in on itself. The problem circles back to two parties hating each other and not willing to compromise.

I'll be the first to say I didn't like Trump. I think he set a bad example by refusing to wear a mask in public because that definitely sends the wrong message. But let's give credit where credit is due the guy put his signature on the bill to get started on a vaccine ASAP. There seems to only be two extreme solutions. Lock everything up and let business go to shit. Or ignore the virus completely take the gamble on whether you live or die. Come on guys, there's a common ground. Whether your red or blue we all like to smash pussy, so let's start from there! And then work our way up to finding out how best to handle a pandemic!

While this ain't exactly the site for this topic. The forum is called STUPID SHIT in NOVA so I think it's fair game.

Agreed with a lot of this. All I want is for people to question what they hear. I picked up a rifle, and took a bullet for this country, is that so much to ask in return? I hate politics.

[TheOuroboros]

You sound like a Trump supporter, but really, this is not the forum for this. Go get yourself some pussy and chill out bro. .

My personal take on politics is that it's all a load of bullshit. I fall right down the middle and I think both sides have some strong and legitimate points. I just wish society would go back to actually hearing people out, debate style. Rather than just ignorantly labeling people as filthy trump supporters or filthy liberals. Gone our the days of intelligent and civil conversation. Do I want government getting all up in our grill, forcing business closures and stabbing away at our personal freedom? Hell no. But do I also want to walk around in a mad max town with a bunch of people who aren't following covid protocol / no masks and coughing up in my face because they think it's a hoax? Fuck no. There's a middle ground where we can rely on our government to enforce these things and allocate our tax dollars properly into funding a vaccine (which lets be proud we did just that!) but also allow the economy not to collapse in on itself. The problem circles back to two parties hating each other and not willing to compromise.

I'll be the first to say I didn't like Trump. I think he set a bad example by refusing to wear a mask in public because that definitely sends the wrong message. But let's give credit where credit is due the guy put his signature on the bill to get started on a vaccine ASAP. There seems to only be two extreme solutions. Lock everything up and let business go to shit. Or ignore the virus completely take the gamble on whether you live or die. Come on guys, there's a common ground. Whether your red or blue we all like to smash pussy, so let's start from there! And then work our way up to finding out how best to handle a pandemic!

While this ain't exactly the site for this topic. The forum is called STUPID SHIT in NOVA so I think it's fair game.

[Barkeater]

You sound like a Trump supporter, but really, this is not the forum for this. Go get yourself some pussy and chill out bro. .

Really? That's really a mature and educated platform to stand on. Well let me tell you I am a "trumper" that thinks he is an absolute idiot sometimes, but in some ways was an amazing president. Who am I? Well a veteran, an MBA holder and someone who's job it is to evaluate advanced and intricate processes for the largest companies in the world. Look at the numbers between California and Florida. CA has a much larger population and almost completely shut down. Florida shut down for a small length of time, and then reopened. The "curve" by numbers is almost identical. Lock downs didn't do anything but destroy businesses.

And give the government precedent for taking away more personal freedom. How do you all not see that? Like really it's been a year now. Open your eyes. It's a game of control. The more people that are reliant on the government for a meal or livelihood the more control it has. Well it just got a lot more control!! Also look at the censorship that occurred regarding legitimate doctors who didn't agree with the covid protocol. They were silenced or fired or worse. That's insane! Science.

Is supposed to support unique opinions and perspectives.

That alone should show that this is all politically motivated. Please, please stop listening to the news. Do your own research and ask questions.

Don't believe me. Just ask questions!

Rant over.

[Squatty2]

Really? That's really a mature and educated platform to stand on. Well let me tell you I am a "trumper" that thinks he is an absolute idiot sometimes, but in some ways was an amazing president. Who am I? Well a veteran, an MBA holder and someone who's job it is to evaluate advanced and intricate processes for the largest companies in the world. Look at the numbers between California and Florida. CA has a much larger population and almost completely shut down. Florida shut down for a small length of time, and then reopened. The "curve" by numbers is almost identical. Lock downs didn't do anything but destroy businesses.

And give the government precedent for taking away more personal freedom. How do you all not see that? Like really it's been a year now. Open your eyes. It's a game of control. The more people that are reliant on the government for a meal or livelihood the more control it has. Well it just got a lot more control!! Also look at the censorship that occurred regarding legitimate doctors who didn't agree with the covid protocol. They were silenced or fired or worse. That's insane! Science.

Is supposed to support unique opinions and perspectives.

That alone should show that this is all politically motivated. Please, please stop listening to the news. Do your own research and ask questions.

Don't believe me. Just ask questions!

Rant over.

California didn't really lock down (at least Californians didn't even f if the state mandated it), and the overwhelming majority of the deaths are in the Hispanic population, who by and large live in multi-generational housing. And whose livelihoods by and large weren't conducive to working from home and staying safe.

Trump IS an idiot. And a criminal, and a pathological liar, and a virulent racist. And a con man. People who voted for him lack character, and human decency.

[HellBoyX]

Don't worry everyone, trumpism will continue to die out month by month. We are getting back to normalcy. 🍻.

Just have to try our best to ignore the deniers until then.

Really? That's really a mature and educated platform to stand on. Well let me tell you I am a "trumper" that thinks he is an absolute idiot sometimes, but in some ways was an amazing president. Who am I? Well a veteran, an MBA holder and someone who's job it is to evaluate advanced and intricate processes for the largest companies in the world. Look at the numbers between California and Florida. CA has a much larger population and almost completely shut down. Florida shut down for a small length of time, and then reopened. The "curve" by numbers is almost identical. Lock downs didn't do anything but destroy businesses.

And give the government precedent for taking away more personal freedom. How do you all not see that? Like really it's been a year now. Open your eyes. It's a game of control. The more people that are reliant on the government for a meal or livelihood the more control it has. Well it just got a lot more control!! Also look at the censorship that occurred regarding legitimate doctors who didn't agree with the covid protocol. They were silenced or fired or worse. That's insane! Science.

Is supposed to support unique opinions and perspectives.

That alone should show that this is all politically motivated. Please, please stop listening to the news. Do your own research and ask questions.

Don't believe me. Just ask questions!

Rant over.

[Nova907]

Don't worry everyone, trumpism will continue to die out month by month. We are getting back to normalcy. 🍻.

Just have to try our best to ignore the deniers until then.

[Grafenberg]

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...accine/607000/

Here's a great write up from what was known in February of last year, at some point, EVERYONE is going to get COVID.

Severe illness caused by viruses such as H5N1 also means that infected people can be identified and isolated, or that they died quickly. They do not walk around feeling just a little under the weather, seeding the virus. The new coronavirus (known technically as SARS-CoV-2) that has been spreading around the world can cause a respiratory illness that can be severe. The disease (known as COVID-19) seems to have a fatality rate of less than 2 percent—exponentially lower than most outbreaks that make global news. The virus has raised alarm not despite that low fatality rate, but because of it.

Coronaviruses are similar to influenza viruses in that they both contain single strands of RNA.* Four coronaviruses commonly infect humans, causing colds. These are believed to have evolved in humans to maximize their own spread—which means sickening, but not killing, people. By contrast, the two prior novel coronavirus outbreaks—SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) and MERS (Middle East respiratory syndrome, named for where the first outbreak occurred)—were picked up from animals, as was H5N1. These diseases were highly fatal to humans. If there were mild or asymptomatic cases, they were extremely few. Had there been more of them, the disease would have spread widely. Ultimately, SARS and MERS each killed fewer than 1,000 people.

COVID-19 is already reported to have killed more than twice that number. With its potent mix of characteristics, this virus is unlike most that capture popular attention: It is deadly, but not too deadly. It makes people sick, but not in predictable, uniquely identifiable ways. Last week, 14 Americans tested positive on a cruise ship in Japan despite feeling fine—the new virus may be most dangerous because, it seems, it may sometimes cause no symptoms at all.