Stupid Shit in NoVa

[Admin2]

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The CDC is pretty clear "some" not millions, not many, not "a disturbing amount" (which is what millions would be) but "some. ".

[Deranged]

Yahoo lifestyles is your source? Seriously?

It's not millions, its nowhere near millions. Just stop with the never ending bullshit. The CDC is pretty clear "some" not millions, not many, not "a disturbing amount" (which is what millions would be) but "some." There is ZERO data pointing to you being right. There have been three papers on covid "long haulers" submitted to and later withdrawn from the NEMJ because the researchers wouldn't give their raw data for peer review. Not before it made the rounds of clickbait of course.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...m-effects.html

Seriously, enough with the fear porn. Idiots like you have already destroyed the lives of 400,000,000 people and will starve an additional 10,000,000 or more in 2021. Enough.

A2.

The CDC says "some" because they are not yet ready to make an assertion on the subject and upgrade their warning to "a disturbing amount" but the early indicators are going in that direction. "Some" does not preclude "a disturbing amount", and you are smart enough to realize that. If I was a betting man, I would say that you will most likely be eating your words in several months as more authoritative research on the subject is published. The USA NIH has allocated $1 B to long-term COVID. We will be hearing more from the NIH and CDC in the near future about this condition and its prevalence.

Conveniently, you have opted to ignore the references that the Yahoo articles cited. Why? Are you more hesitant of questioning the references' legitimacy than Yahoo Lifestyles?

Here's another one.

Early in 2021, researchers in Wuhan, China, reported that 76% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients had at least one symptom that persisted 6 months after acute infection, mostly fatigue or muscle weakness. "Studies of non-hospitalized patients have shown that anywhere from 35% to 50% of non-hospitalized patients had symptoms 2 to 4 months later," Navis noted.

"If you take 30% of that who could have potential impacts on their quality of life in the next six to nine months, we're talking about huge numbers," Englund said.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infecti.../covid19/91270

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2021...-haul-symptoms#1.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l.../PIIS0140-6736(20) 32656-8/ fulltext.

This one is based on research published in The Lancet, one of the most reputable medical journals in the world. Do you question the legitimacy of The Lancet?

From the same article:

The University of Washington study followed 177 people with laboratory-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection who completed questionnaires from August to November 2020, 3 to 9 months after their COVID-19 onset (median 169 days). Mean age was 48 and 57% were women. Hypertension was the most common comorbidity (13%).

Across the cohort, 6.2% of participants were asymptomatic, 84.7% were outpatients with mild illness, and 9.0% were hospitalized with moderate or severe disease. Patients completed followup questionnaires a median of 169 days after COVID-19 onset.

Overall, 32.7% of outpatients and 31.3% of inpatients reported at least one persistent symptom, most commonly fatigue (13.6%) and loss of sense of smell or taste (13.6%). In addition, 13.0% reported other symptoms, including brain fog (2.3%).

Here's that paper which has been peer reviewed and studied.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2776560

What about past coronaviruses? This is a novel coronavirus after all and not an influenza virus. If we want to make projections based on the past, we may look no farther than SARS in 2003.

This prospective cohort study has shown that 52% of SARS survivors had persistent impairment in DLCO and that exercise capacity and health status were significantly lower than the normal controls of the same age groups at 24 months post‐illness. In addition, only 78% of SARS survivors had returned to work and 29% of the HCW had not resumed duty.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7192220/

Here is another one regarding SARS.

Results Of 369 SARS survivors, 233 (63.1%) participated in the study (mean period of time after SARS, 41.3 months). Over 40% of the respondents had active psychiatric illnesses, 40.3% reported a chronic fatigue problem, and 27.1% met the modified 1994 Centers for Disease Control and Prevention criteria for chronic fatigue syndrome.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...article/415378

These are quite frightening results. I, like you, indeed do hope that this virus more resembles the flu than past novel coronaviruses.

This is a novel virus that is causing immunology textbooks to be re-written on the fly. There is new research coming out on a weekly basis on how different this virus is from everything we have ever seen. I am dumbfounded by how confident ordinary people are about something that is completely new to humanity. Foremost medical experts don't even remotely fully understand how the human body and viruses work, and yet here you are having absolutely everything figured out!

Your turn. I would love to read some data that points in the direction that COVID is not causing long-term debilitating effects in millions irrespective of age and prior health. I do not and cannot know everything and have an open mind here. Again, I hope you are correct and would love to read some articles that would give me a more optimistic outlook here.

[FloorHump422]

Yahoo lifestyles is your source? Seriously?

It's not millions, its nowhere near millions. Just stop with the never ending bullshit. The CDC is pretty clear "some" not millions, not many, not "a disturbing amount" (which is what millions would be) but "some." There is ZERO data pointing to you being right. There have been three papers on covid "long haulers" submitted to and later withdrawn from the NEMJ because the researchers wouldn't give their raw data for peer review. Not before it made the rounds of clickbait of course.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...m-effects.html

Seriously, enough with the fear porn. Idiots like you have already destroyed the lives of 400,000,000 people and will starve an additional 10,000,000 or more in 2021. Enough.

A2.

Since when is being realistic fear porn? Sounds to me like you're participating in ignorance porn. Maybe it's time you looked at research outside of the US before proudly flaunting your ignorance. This research from the UK has a conservative estimate of 10% of people who've contracted the virus as suffering from Long Covid, which would be at least 11 million people globally. Even if that number were "only" in the thousands, it would be disingenuous of you to dismiss their experiences considering the hardship you say you've seen living in a "third-world country".

You're also placing stock into a webpage from the CDC that hasn't been updated since November and when the CDC hasn't even updated its directives about mask quality and proper ventilation to mitigate the spread of the virus. There is a lot we still don't know about this virus so it escapes me how you could easily disregard the experiences of a marginalized population in favor of exposing more people to possible death or lifelong health complications. How can you advocate for continuing business as usual when the risks are this great? The economic cost of lockdowns is high, but the burden of medical complications on healthcare systems because of the virus, even after "recovery", would be unprecedented.

Are you pulling numbers out of your ass again? 400 M? 111 M people have contracted covid globally. If you're also referring to people who haven't contracted it but haven been affected by it, then it would be disingenuous for you to consider them but disregard long haulers.

https://evidence.nihr.ac.uk/themedre...-with-covid19/#Research.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...we-know-so-far

[Admin2]

How about you cite some sources to back up what you are saying? You are quite literally making facts up right now. The long-term effects of COVID are already affecting millions. Here, I came prepared.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/covi...215345083.html

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/deat...010029867.html

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/deat...010029867.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/09/long...ctor-says.html

Listen, I hope you are right because that would be better for humanity, but all the data is pointing to you being wrong. You are free to believe whatever you want. Gaslighting yourself will not make the problems go away unfortunately. It may help you sleep better at night, but it does not change the truth.

Yahoo lifestyles is your source? Seriously?

It's not millions, its nowhere near millions. Just stop with the never ending bullshit. The CDC is pretty clear "some" not millions, not many, not "a disturbing amount" (which is what millions would be) but "some." There is ZERO data pointing to you being right. There have been three papers on covid "long haulers" submitted to and later withdrawn from the NEMJ because the researchers wouldn't give their raw data for peer review. Not before it made the rounds of clickbait of course.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...m-effects.html

Seriously, enough with the fear porn. Idiots like you have already destroyed the lives of 400,000,000 people and will starve an additional 10,000,000 or more in 2021. Enough.

A2.

[Deranged]

Exactly. The long term effects we're going to have to deal with are the result of the damage done by cowardly morons freaking out and insisting on "mitigations" that do far more harm than good.

Every flu-like virus causes long term effects in a small number of people. Covid is not any different, but idiots want to LARP a pandemic. JFC, it's been a year.

How about you cite some sources to back up what you are saying? You are quite literally making facts up right now. The long-term effects of COVID are already affecting millions. Here, I came prepared.

I am hardly alone. While there are no exact figures on how many people around the world are suffering from what is currently being called long COVID syndrome or post-acute COVID syndrome, some estimates put the number in the millions. Self-described long-haulers like myself have banded together, though, by forming online support groups and joining social media spaces in an effort to get answers.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/covi...215345083.html

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/deat...010029867.html

It exists and it can affect folks young and old and those with or without previous underlying health conditions. In fact, new research from Mt. Sinais Center for Post-COVID Care has shown that 10-30% of all COVID patients will become long haulers. To emphasize, thats 10-30% of all COVID patients, not 10-30% of those who are of a certain age, or those who required hospitalization. Early research suggests, even, that those who had mild symptoms and recovered at home are most likely to experience long haul symptoms.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/deat...010029867.html

About 10 to 30% of all Covid patients will suffer from long haul symptoms, according to the latest research from Mt. Sinais Center for Post-Covid Care.
Medical researchers still dont know whether patients with post acute Covid syndrome will be dealing with the effects for the rest of their lives, or just a matter of months.
Young people are less likely to die from the novel coronavirus, but severe long-haul symptoms should be a wake-up call to them, says Texas Childrens Hospital Dr. Peter Hotez.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/09/long...ctor-says.html

Listen, I hope you are right because that would be better for humanity, but all the data is pointing to you being wrong. You are free to believe whatever you want. Gaslighting yourself will not make the problems go away unfortunately. It may help you sleep better at night, but it does not change the truth.

[Dimples572]

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Willing to do $1200 PPM + hotel + dinner.

Only if you're a pathetic moron! LMAO!

[JmSuttr]

Yeah keep waiting, enjoy them crickets. My activity or a "substansive post" is not to be monitored. And I never called myself an expert. So just keep overpaying like the rest of the Nova mongers which you seem to be so arrogant about your donation habits. So from now on you get no breath. Kick rocks with flip flops.

Waiting a month to reply with nothing more than "neener neener" bullsh*t as a response. You still have no clue about the Virginia market but I guess you need to convince yourself that you're some kind of "playah," eh?

At least your lame, content-free responses in this thread have probably doubled your total post count. How pathetic is that?

BTW, the easy solution to not having your posts "monitored" is to not post at all. Given your history, it would be a gain for the forum.

[KzcKzc]

Those people are measured in the thousands, the greatest public health challenge is going to be figuring out how to take care of the HALF A BILLION PEOPLE who have been forced into extreme poverty due to your hysteria.

Exactly. The long term effects we're going to have to deal with are the result of the damage done by cowardly morons freaking out and insisting on "mitigations" that do far more harm than good.

Every flu-like virus causes long term effects in a small number of people. Covid is not any different, but idiots want to LARP a pandemic. JFC, it's been a year.

[Deranged]

Those people are measured in the thousands, the greatest public health challenge is going to be figuring out how to take care of the HALF A BILLION PEOPLE who have been forced into extreme poverty due to your hysteria.

What part of that do you idiots not understand? If you have a disease that a few million people have died WITH and your solution is to destroy the lives of 5% of the worlds population you have the wrong solution. How many of that 400,000,000 are going to die of starvation, dysentery, exposure, lack of water, no access to medical care, crime or any of the 5,000 things that people who have no homes and are trying to live in less than 2 bucks a day have to deal with. 20,000,000? 40,000,000? Maybe 60,000,000?

Seriously what part of 400,000,000 people who used to be self sufficient and now can't feed themselves do you just not understand? I'm not saying covid is a hoax, it's obviously not, I'm saying the mitigation that has been used is obviously going to kill 10 or 100 X more people than covid and that's worse. Why do you guys simply refuse to face that? Is it because you can't? You just can't admit that you were unwilling to listen to the people who were predicting this tsunami of hunger in March and you ignored because "people before profits. " Is it really that simple?

The long term effects of covid aren't going to be shit when compared to getting the entire third world off the fucking ground again. 25 years of progress through globalization was undone in three months and you are doing it again. This shit is going to go on for decades.

Not thousands but actually millions already and likely to become tens of millions very soon if we cannot vaccinate faster.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-new...ays-who-expert

The NIH has allocated a billion dollars to research long-term effects? Why? Because our health care systems are already being inundated with long-term COVID patients. And we're only a year into this pandemic.

A little bit funny that you think the first world would prioritize developing countries in their decision making. Unfortunately, that's not the case. Look at vaccine distribution. Developing countries are being left for dead. Developed countries are only unfortunately interested in saving their own skins first.

If the developed countries can't get this under control, their health care systems will likely collapse in the near future. Long-term COVID patients will destroy nations' welfare finances and wreak havoc on economies due to not being able to work. There will be significant long-term global economic damage. And then the developing countries can say goodbye to capital inflow from those developed countries for good.

[Admin2]

The long-term effects of COVID are going to be one of the greatest public health challenges the world has ever faced.

Those people are measured in the thousands, the greatest public health challenge is going to be figuring out how to take care of the HALF A BILLION PEOPLE who have been forced into extreme poverty due to your hysteria.

What part of that do you idiots not understand? If you have a disease that a few million people have died WITH and your solution is to destroy the lives of 5% of the worlds population you have the wrong solution. How many of that 400,000,000 are going to die of starvation, dysentery, exposure, lack of water, no access to medical care, crime or any of the 5,000 things that people who have no homes and are trying to live in less than 2 bucks a day have to deal with. 20,000,000? 40,000,000? Maybe 60,000,000?

Seriously what part of 400,000,000 people who used to be self sufficient and now can't feed themselves do you just not understand? I'm not saying covid is a hoax, it's obviously not, I'm saying the mitigation that has been used is obviously going to kill 10 or 100 X more people than covid and that's worse. Why do you guys simply refuse to face that? Is it because you can't? You just can't admit that you were unwilling to listen to the people who were predicting this tsunami of hunger in March and you ignored because "people before profits. " Is it really that simple?

The long term effects of covid aren't going to be shit when compared to getting the entire third world off the fucking ground again. 25 years of progress through globalization was undone in three months and you are doing it again. This shit is going to go on for decades.

[Admin2]

My point, which you missed by a mile, is that by validating the data but not the expertise of those who compiled the data, you are saying that you know better than the international coalition of medical experts that agree on the danger of Covid to all age groups. It's also disingenous to solely look at deaths as there are thousands of documented cases of Covid still affecting people even after "recovery". As to your point about the economy, if the government actually cared about the well-being of its people and paid them to stay home, there wouldn't be a need to choose between the economy or the health of people.

P.S. Why the fuck are you moderating this forum if you don't live in the USA?

It's been the same with you idiots since the beginning of this "if the government would just pay people to stay home" there is no fucking need to stay home, I'm going to say it again, 93% of the people who died were over 55,94% of them had 3 life threatening illnesses or conditions. The economy is the health of the people, the "economy" is how all goods and serves get distributed to and by the people, "the economy" is what makes countries bountiful or poor. The people that are starving are in the poor countries because hysterics like you are making politicians shut down there rich counties.

There has not been any international coalition of medical experts who have ever said that covid is a danger to all age groups, you are making that up. If any group has then they are IGNORING the empirical evidence as you are. You do not need to lock a country down for a flu that has a 99.74% overall recovery rate.

You don't mean to say there are thousands of documented cases of long term effects. Thousands you say. In a country of 330,000,000 people what percentage is thousands? There are always outliers. The mother of a dear friend of mine is suffering from dementia brought on by the flu pandemic in 2018. There have been 26 million confirmed cases of covid in the USA, if your thousands is 10,000 then that is 0. 038% of the total number of confirmed cases. 400,000,000 people forced into extreme poverty is 5% of the population of the entire fucking planet. Let me say that again, 5 fucking percent of the entire population of the planet. To put it into terms you might be able to understand, it's every single fucking person in the USA, ALL of The United Kingdom, everybody in Australia and 1/2 of Canada.

Just stop talking. Seriously, stop talking your ignorance is killing the people you continue to ignore.

It's pretty fucking obvious you don't understand globalization because you don't understand the way the economy works, I don't need to reside in the US to do this job, there is this thing called the internet.

[Deranged]

My point, which you missed by a mile, is that by validating the data but not the expertise of those who compiled the data, you are saying that you know better than the international coalition of medical experts that agree on the danger of Covid to all age groups. It's also disingenous to solely look at deaths as there are thousands of documented cases of Covid still affecting people even after "recovery". As to your point about the economy, if the government actually cared about the well-being of its people and paid them to stay home, there wouldn't be a need to choose between the economy or the health of people.

P.S. Why the fuck are you moderating this forum if you don't live in the USA?

The long-term effects of COVID are going to be one of the greatest public health challenges the world has ever faced. Many current sufferers are becoming suicidal because they believe they are barely living and have been condemned to a fate worse than death. These people cannot walk a block or do a day of office work without then needing days of bedrest. And when the current numbers are pegging it at a 10-30% likelihood of getting debilitating long-term effects regardless of your age and comorbidities, it is quite scary to think about how sick the world will be in a few years.

There is currently no known cause or treatment. Countries around the world, including the USA, are opening up long-term COVID clinics to try and provide relief to these people. Some studies are suggesting that COVID leaves many with a lasting auto-immune disease. It does not care whether you're old or young, healthy or not. For many, they recover from the illness, and then the debilitating long-term effects strike months later. It is the luck of the draw.

This is not new. SARS left many of its victims with similar long-term effects. Many of them have yet to recover a decade and a half later.

[Bunker Buster]

I can count, if the assessment of severity ignores their own data then no.

I'll say it again for the idiots, 93% of the people who died were over 55 and 94% of them had an average of 2. 9 life threatening illnesses or conditions before getting the virus. Those are the actual facts, they don't care what you think about them.

Here's another actual fact, over 10,000,000 ADDTIONAL people are going to starve to death this year as a direct result of the slowdown in the worlds economy because idiots like you refused to accept what those mortality stats say and demanded that countries close their borders and put the brakes on their economies. When you close a pizza joint in Cleveland they don't buy pizza sauce, when they don't buy pizza sauce the company who makes the lids for plastic containers the pizza sauce comes in close, then their employees lose their jobs, they are generally in countries that don't have a social welfare program so they are fucked, their kids are fucked and lots of them die.

This isn't 10,000,000 people, this is an ADDTIONAL 10,000,000 people, before corona we couldn't keep the first 10,000,000 from dying so don't give me the pollyanna response that "well aid organizations need to blah blah fucking blah" they are going to die so that you and millions like you can virtue signal and finger wag. "Just stay home" has been the biggest exercise of privilege in my lifetime.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...-amid-pandemic

You assholes act like the mitigation is free, I live in the third world, I'm seeing the people who are paying the cost for your bullshit on a regular basis. Please stop talking, every time you open your mouth a kid starves.

FYI that additional 10,000,000 was projected in May of last year. Since you are ignoring it and they are locking down again, even worse, it will probably be 20,000,000 extra.

This is a great assessment of the problem that the "stay home, stay safe" crowd doesn't want to face.

I could just imagine reposting this on Facebook, then when someone asks for the source, I could say "it's the moderator on my favorite prostitution discussion board. " LOL.

[FloorHump422]

I can count, if the assessment of severity ignores their own data then no.

My point, which you missed by a mile, is that by validating the data but not the expertise of those who compiled the data, you are saying that you know better than the international coalition of medical experts that agree on the danger of Covid to all age groups. It's also disingenous to solely look at deaths as there are thousands of documented cases of Covid still affecting people even after "recovery". As to your point about the economy, if the government actually cared about the well-being of its people and paid them to stay home, there wouldn't be a need to choose between the economy or the health of people.

P.S. Why the fuck are you moderating this forum if you don't live in the USA?

[Admin2]

If the CDC's mortality data is good enough for you to quote, then their assessment of the severity of the virus for everyone (not just those 55+ and those with comorbidities) should also be good enough for you.

I can count, if the assessment of severity ignores their own data then no.

I'll say it again for the idiots, 93% of the people who died were over 55 and 94% of them had an average of 2. 9 life threatening illnesses or conditions before getting the virus. Those are the actual facts, they don't care what you think about them.

Here's another actual fact, over 10,000,000 ADDTIONAL people are going to starve to death this year as a direct result of the slowdown in the worlds economy because idiots like you refused to accept what those mortality stats say and demanded that countries close their borders and put the brakes on their economies. When you close a pizza joint in Cleveland they don't buy pizza sauce, when they don't buy pizza sauce the company who makes the lids for plastic containers the pizza sauce comes in close, then their employees lose their jobs, they are generally in countries that don't have a social welfare program so they are fucked, their kids are fucked and lots of them die.

This isn't 10,000,000 people, this is an ADDTIONAL 10,000,000 people, before corona we couldn't keep the first 10,000,000 from dying so don't give me the pollyanna response that "well aid organizations need to blah blah fucking blah" they are going to die so that you and millions like you can virtue signal and finger wag. "Just stay home" has been the biggest exercise of privilege in my lifetime.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...-amid-pandemic

You assholes act like the mitigation is free, I live in the third world, I'm seeing the people who are paying the cost for your bullshit on a regular basis. Please stop talking, every time you open your mouth a kid starves.

FYI that additional 10,000,000 was projected in May of last year. Since you are ignoring it and they are locking down again, even worse, it will probably be 20,000,000 extra.