Rants and Raves

[Sgt Soros]

Just my. 02 cents again, any serious attempt to put coronavirus deaths in context by comparing it to some other cause of death in a previous year must acknowledge the marked differences in the Covid-19 trend most notably, the rapid spike in deaths that is still underway, and the wide range of uncertainty about when it will peak, how high it will peak, and whether it will peak only once. As long as the pandemic is rapidly spreading, these comparisons will be fraught.

[Admin2]

However, your pain In the pocketbook should not translate to a safety and wellness issue for my family. The more businesses open the increased risk factor for everyone we arent that many degrees of separation whether I don't go get a hair cut or not there is still an increased risk to me the more asymptomatic people there are roaming about. That's just my unpopular opinion.

Because this is the justification for everybody who wants to ignore the growing body of evidence that says corona isn't nearly as lethal as originally thought. Explain to me exactly how somebody else relaxing the draconian restrictions that have been put in place increase your risk if you continue to obey them?

Stay at home, don't go out, have everything you need delivered, create a hot zone in your garage where you disinfect everything coming into your house and stay at home. Why does everybody else have to do the same when you, and anybody else, can easily isolate yourself?

In other countries you might be able to make a point but in the US, in Atlanta, you don't ever have to set foot out your front door.

No joke, explain that to me because so far nobody has.

[Jims2321]

I'm less sympathetic. Other states are letting small business owners get uninsurance and ensuring they are getting ppp loans for their state businesses. I personally know a couple of people in Florida that own a car dealership and tailoring business respectively and they are getting $300+$600 per week and the stimulus check and ppp loans. From the research I looked at a while ago. Georgia could only pay uninsurance for the number of people who filed for 2 weeks which is why I suspect the rush to reopen. If you are hurting it is because of your elected state leadership.

However, your pain In the pocketbook should not translate to a safety and wellness issue for my family. The more businesses open the increased risk factor for everyone we arent that many degrees of separation whether I don't go get a hair cut or not there is still an increased risk to me the more asymptomatic people there are roaming about. That's just my unpopular opinion.

Few observations. I know my son who attends UCF and worked part time until this pandemic (I don't claim him on my taxes). File for unemployment 3 weeks ago. He still has not gotten a check, nor have his roommates. So its hit or miss on Florida unemployment. As for Georgia, part of the reason you stated contributes to the rush to reopen. A bigger part is that Georgia tax revenue and budget are expected to run 4 B in deficits over the next 2 years. So no economic activity, no revenue for the state. Now, was it a smart move to open the business with the highest potential for spreading this virus? Only time will tell. And yes some businesses in Georgia have gotten PPP and EIDL loans. And I know of a few people in my neighborhood that have gotten their Stimulus checks. The struggle continues for a lot of our neighbors / family and friends.

Jim.

COVID19 the 21st century STD.

[Anubis06]

Yep I know 3 other businessmen and women that are hurting. Nothing coming in, no unemployment, no ppp loan yet, no Stimulus check. Nothing.

So what are they supposed to Do? A business you busted your butt for 10 years building, in a matter of a couple months, through no fault of there own, is hurting.

I don't know, it just breaks my heart to see us do this to ourselves.

Maybe it'll start to get better for all of us.

M454.

I'm less sympathetic. Other states are letting small business owners get uninsurance and ensuring they are getting ppp loans for their state businesses. I personally know a couple of people in Florida that own a car dealership and tailoring business respectively and they are getting $300+$600 per week and the stimulus check and ppp loans. From the research I looked at a while ago. Georgia could only pay uninsurance for the number of people who filed for 2 weeks which is why I suspect the rush to reopen. If you are hurting it is because of your elected state leadership.

However, your pain In the pocketbook should not translate to a safety and wellness issue for my family. The more businesses open the increased risk factor for everyone we arent that many degrees of separation whether I don't go get a hair cut or not there is still an increased risk to me the more asymptomatic people there are roaming about. That's just my unpopular opinion.

[Aaron Hamlet]

'In four USA State prisons, nearly 3,300 inmates test positive for coronavirus -- 96% without symptoms'.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKCN2270RX

[RiverRat99]

See the blue box at the top of the page that explains it. Also see the Technical Notes section at the bottom of the page.

"Death counts are delayed and may differ from other published sources (see Technical Notes). Counts will be updated periodically. Additional information will be added to this site as available. ".

A couple of posters said "if we get to 60 k by September. ". We're losing around 2,000 a day to COVID-19. We'll probably be at 60,000 next week.

There's a real opportunity here to pressure congress, organizations like the ACLU, city and state governments to legalize sex work and regulate it. I know we all fear the fact that we could be bringing home corona because unless your'e wearing a full body condom, you are at risk. The issues used to be HIV / STD and Human trafficking as reasons to move to a legal, regulated system. Now there is Corona. A Trifecta. It's not like the worlds oldest profession is just going to disappear in the USA or anywhere else. So why aren't people talking about legalizing sex work?

Politicians don't want to deal with it- but at this point it is a very real possibility that they will have to. Pushing it underground only ensures that Corona will continue to proliferate, most likely evolve into ongoing varying strains making vaccination a myth and making testing the most powerful means of prevention.

Contact the ACLU, the WHO, your congressman or just tell your buddy. It's time that the dollars generated in sex work were not shared with the government in the form of court fees, fines, penalties etc for sex workers and their clients. This money should instead be used to protect us and all sex workers. I'd really rather not worry about my face being in a mug shot or involved in a bust. Maybe there is a slight chance for change.

[Sgt Lurker]

Could happen. But NY has over 40%, NY / NJ metro areas have over 50% of all US China virus deaths. Other than backdating / back coding deaths in NY, both states are well off their daily peaks.

It is really quite simple people, as long as America is the Land of Free and operates a capitalist society, if you own a business you are free to open it here in GA under the rules put into place and you are free to stay closed. As a consumer, you are free to partake and you are free to stay home. I choose to live life based on knowledge and common sense and not out of fear.

[Aaron Hamlet]

We're losing around 2,000 a day to COVID-19. We'll probably be at 60,000 next week.

Could happen. But NY has over 40%, NY / NJ metro areas have over 50% of all US China virus deaths. Other than backdating / back coding deaths in NY, both states are well off their daily peaks.

[LuvThemTugs]

https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/24/s...end-isolation/

I'm not living my life in fear.

If you go to this interview, you will understand.

[Oldti]

See the blue box at the top of the page that explains it. Also see the Technical Notes section at the bottom of the page.

"Death counts are delayed and may differ from other published sources (see Technical Notes). Counts will be updated periodically. Additional information will be added to this site as available. ".


A couple of posters said "if we get to 60 k by September. ". We're losing around 2,000 a day to COVID-19. We'll probably be at 60,000 next week.

We are at 50 k.

[BigBill]

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/

This seems not to match the reported death total.

I think this says as of today the Total deaths from covid19 is 24,555.

Someone else take a look at that and see if I'm reading it wrong.

See the blue box at the top of the page that explains it. Also see the Technical Notes section at the bottom of the page.

"Death counts are delayed and may differ from other published sources (see Technical Notes). Counts will be updated periodically. Additional information will be added to this site as available. ".

A couple of posters said "if we get to 60 k by September. ". We're losing around 2,000 a day to COVID-19. We'll probably be at 60,000 next week.

[Mike454]

Well said sir! Many businesses, including the one that supports my family, is now hanging on by a thread. If we cannot get the economy moving again soon, many more lives will be destroyed by the financial downturn than by the virus. Furthermore, anybody who is not comfortable going to get an haircut (or massage) can simply not go. If I can get a barber to agree to cut my hair for a fee, we should be free to make that transaction without government interference. BTW, that principle should apply to the hobby also. It's a matter of liberty.

Yep I know 3 other businessmen and women that are hurting. Nothing coming in, no unemployment, no ppp loan yet, no Stimulus check. Nothing.

So what are they supposed to Do? A business you busted your butt for 10 years building, in a matter of a couple months, through no fault of there own, is hurting.

I don't know, it just breaks my heart to see us do this to ourselves.

Maybe it'll start to get better for all of us.

M454.

[Mike454]

Well said sir! Many businesses, including the one that supports my family, is now hanging on by a thread. If we cannot get the economy moving again soon, many more lives will be destroyed by the financial downturn than by the virus. Furthermore, anybody who is not comfortable going to get an haircut (or massage) can simply not go. If I can get a barber to agree to cut my hair for a fee, we should be free to make that transaction without government interference. BTW, that principle should apply to the hobby also. It's a matter of liberty.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/

This seems not to match the reported death total.

I think this says as of today the Total deaths from covid19 is 24,555.

Someone else take a look at that and see if I'm reading it wrong.

[Bbinsider]

Yes, I agree that we'll prob go over the 60,000 #by Sept.

My only point was that his "model", 60 k is a long long way from 2. 2 million /500,000 k /220,000 k ect. ,that was the basis for starting this whole shutdown fear mess anyway.

Had the models been closer to the real outcome I don't think it would've been nearly as bad, as far as.

Impact.

Also there were reports all over about the coroner's over reporting the cause of death in possibly 1000's or at least 100's of deaths that may or may not have been caused by covid. ,. so maybe in a few months when all the testing gets caught up and all the numbers are scrutinized,. Maybe just maybe we'll have a better idea if all this was necessary after all.

In the mean time I guess these business owners should have the opportunity to make $ and keep from going bankrupt thru no fault of there own.

Is it really fair to say well mr convenience store owner, and grocery store owners, pizza hut dominos, dollar stores ect. , y'all can figure out how to operate as safely as you can,
But everyone else shut down till we say you can open, I don't think the constitutionality of that will hold up, and I think most have been very very calm, and taken the hit for all of us and now should be allowed to carry on with their business IF, THEY WANT TO....SAFELY AS THEY CAN. and those that don't or aren't ready yet then they don't have to. same with customers, its not mandatory to go out and visit any of these businesses....if u don't want to u don't have to. Seems reasonable to me.

Staying home is not going to make the virus go away, whenever we do finally go out its still going to be there. Might as well figure it out now before we bankrupt the entire country, and all our grandkids kids will still have to be paying on this deficit.

M454.

Well said sir! Many businesses, including the one that supports my family, is now hanging on by a thread. If we cannot get the economy moving again soon, many more lives will be destroyed by the financial downturn than by the virus. Furthermore, anybody who is not comfortable going to get an haircut (or massage) can simply not go. If I can get a barber to agree to cut my hair for a fee, we should be free to make that transaction without government interference. BTW, that principle should apply to the hobby also. It's a matter of liberty.

[Mike454]

We are over 50 K deaths in the US already, on April 24, only another 10 K between now and September would be an excellent outcome -- seems unlikely though. If I was a betting man, I would take the over.

On CNBC this morning, Dr. Scott Gottlieb (former head of the FDA and still friendly with Trump Administration) said that what Georgia is doing now, opening up these types of places before the state has hit its peak of infections, is a model of "exactly what not to do. ".

Hopefully the MANNER in which these places open up again will show that it isn't such a bad idea as feared. News footage I have seen, while purely anecdotal, does suggest that most of these establishments are taking safety precautions, such as the wearing of face masks and comprehensive disinfecting between customers, even if they can't maintain 6 feet of social distancing. But that's hair salons and tattoo parlors -- massage parlors, which is obviously what we are all most concerned about specifically, are the wild card. Of course, we are looking at this question from the perspective of the types of massages that WE like to get, but there's no reason why both masseuse and customer can't be wearing face masks during a legitimate massage.

Anyway, looking forward to reading accounts of how this is working on the practical level, both in Georgia in general and in our little corner of the hobby specifically.

Yes, I agree that we'll prob go over the 60,000 #by Sept.

My only point was that his "model", 60 k is a long long way from 2. 2 million /500,000 k /220,000 k ect. ,that was the basis for starting this whole shutdown fear mess anyway.

Had the models been closer to the real outcome I don't think it would've been nearly as bad, as far as.

Impact.

Also there were reports all over about the coroner's over reporting the cause of death in possibly 1000's or at least 100's of deaths that may or may not have been caused by covid. ,. so maybe in a few months when all the testing gets caught up and all the numbers are scrutinized,. Maybe just maybe we'll have a better idea if all this was necessary after all.

In the mean time I guess these business owners should have the opportunity to make $ and keep from going bankrupt thru no fault of there own.

Is it really fair to say well mr convenience store owner, and grocery store owners, pizza hut dominos, dollar stores ect. , y'all can figure out how to operate as safely as you can,
But everyone else shut down till we say you can open, I don't think the constitutionality of that will hold up, and I think most have been very very calm, and taken the hit for all of us and now should be allowed to carry on with their business IF, THEY WANT TO....SAFELY AS THEY CAN. and those that don't or aren't ready yet then they don't have to. same with customers, its not mandatory to go out and visit any of these businesses....if u don't want to u don't have to. Seems reasonable to me.

Staying home is not going to make the virus go away, whenever we do finally go out its still going to be there. Might as well figure it out now before we bankrupt the entire country, and all our grandkids kids will still have to be paying on this deficit.

M454.