Rants and Raves

[Mike454]

Well said sir! Many businesses, including the one that supports my family, is now hanging on by a thread. If we cannot get the economy moving again soon, many more lives will be destroyed by the financial downturn than by the virus. Furthermore, anybody who is not comfortable going to get an haircut (or massage) can simply not go. If I can get a barber to agree to cut my hair for a fee, we should be free to make that transaction without government interference. BTW, that principle should apply to the hobby also. It's a matter of liberty.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/

This seems not to match the reported death total.

I think this says as of today the Total deaths from covid19 is 24,555.

Someone else take a look at that and see if I'm reading it wrong.

[Bbinsider]

Yes, I agree that we'll prob go over the 60,000 #by Sept.

My only point was that his "model", 60 k is a long long way from 2. 2 million /500,000 k /220,000 k ect. ,that was the basis for starting this whole shutdown fear mess anyway.

Had the models been closer to the real outcome I don't think it would've been nearly as bad, as far as.

Impact.

Also there were reports all over about the coroner's over reporting the cause of death in possibly 1000's or at least 100's of deaths that may or may not have been caused by covid. ,. so maybe in a few months when all the testing gets caught up and all the numbers are scrutinized,. Maybe just maybe we'll have a better idea if all this was necessary after all.

In the mean time I guess these business owners should have the opportunity to make $ and keep from going bankrupt thru no fault of there own.

Is it really fair to say well mr convenience store owner, and grocery store owners, pizza hut dominos, dollar stores ect. , y'all can figure out how to operate as safely as you can,
But everyone else shut down till we say you can open, I don't think the constitutionality of that will hold up, and I think most have been very very calm, and taken the hit for all of us and now should be allowed to carry on with their business IF, THEY WANT TO....SAFELY AS THEY CAN. and those that don't or aren't ready yet then they don't have to. same with customers, its not mandatory to go out and visit any of these businesses....if u don't want to u don't have to. Seems reasonable to me.

Staying home is not going to make the virus go away, whenever we do finally go out its still going to be there. Might as well figure it out now before we bankrupt the entire country, and all our grandkids kids will still have to be paying on this deficit.

M454.

Well said sir! Many businesses, including the one that supports my family, is now hanging on by a thread. If we cannot get the economy moving again soon, many more lives will be destroyed by the financial downturn than by the virus. Furthermore, anybody who is not comfortable going to get an haircut (or massage) can simply not go. If I can get a barber to agree to cut my hair for a fee, we should be free to make that transaction without government interference. BTW, that principle should apply to the hobby also. It's a matter of liberty.

[Mike454]

We are over 50 K deaths in the US already, on April 24, only another 10 K between now and September would be an excellent outcome -- seems unlikely though. If I was a betting man, I would take the over.

On CNBC this morning, Dr. Scott Gottlieb (former head of the FDA and still friendly with Trump Administration) said that what Georgia is doing now, opening up these types of places before the state has hit its peak of infections, is a model of "exactly what not to do. ".

Hopefully the MANNER in which these places open up again will show that it isn't such a bad idea as feared. News footage I have seen, while purely anecdotal, does suggest that most of these establishments are taking safety precautions, such as the wearing of face masks and comprehensive disinfecting between customers, even if they can't maintain 6 feet of social distancing. But that's hair salons and tattoo parlors -- massage parlors, which is obviously what we are all most concerned about specifically, are the wild card. Of course, we are looking at this question from the perspective of the types of massages that WE like to get, but there's no reason why both masseuse and customer can't be wearing face masks during a legitimate massage.

Anyway, looking forward to reading accounts of how this is working on the practical level, both in Georgia in general and in our little corner of the hobby specifically.

Yes, I agree that we'll prob go over the 60,000 #by Sept.

My only point was that his "model", 60 k is a long long way from 2. 2 million /500,000 k /220,000 k ect. ,that was the basis for starting this whole shutdown fear mess anyway.

Had the models been closer to the real outcome I don't think it would've been nearly as bad, as far as.

Impact.

Also there were reports all over about the coroner's over reporting the cause of death in possibly 1000's or at least 100's of deaths that may or may not have been caused by covid. ,. so maybe in a few months when all the testing gets caught up and all the numbers are scrutinized,. Maybe just maybe we'll have a better idea if all this was necessary after all.

In the mean time I guess these business owners should have the opportunity to make $ and keep from going bankrupt thru no fault of there own.

Is it really fair to say well mr convenience store owner, and grocery store owners, pizza hut dominos, dollar stores ect. , y'all can figure out how to operate as safely as you can,
But everyone else shut down till we say you can open, I don't think the constitutionality of that will hold up, and I think most have been very very calm, and taken the hit for all of us and now should be allowed to carry on with their business IF, THEY WANT TO....SAFELY AS THEY CAN. and those that don't or aren't ready yet then they don't have to. same with customers, its not mandatory to go out and visit any of these businesses....if u don't want to u don't have to. Seems reasonable to me.

Staying home is not going to make the virus go away, whenever we do finally go out its still going to be there. Might as well figure it out now before we bankrupt the entire country, and all our grandkids kids will still have to be paying on this deficit.

M454.

[Niteluvr]

We are over 50 K deaths in the US already, on April 24, only another 10 K between now and September would be an excellent outcome -- seems unlikely though. If I was a betting man, I would take the over.

On CNBC this morning, Dr. Scott Gottlieb (former head of the FDA and still friendly with Trump Administration) said that what Georgia is doing now, opening up these types of places before the state has hit its peak of infections, is a model of "exactly what not to do. ".

Hopefully the MANNER in which these places open up again will show that it isn't such a bad idea as feared. News footage I have seen, while purely anecdotal, does suggest that most of these establishments are taking safety precautions, such as the wearing of face masks and comprehensive disinfecting between customers, even if they can't maintain 6 feet of social distancing. But that's hair salons and tattoo parlors -- massage parlors, which is obviously what we are all most concerned about specifically, are the wild card. Of course, we are looking at this question from the perspective of the types of massages that WE like to get, but there's no reason why both masseuse and customer can't be wearing face masks during a legitimate massage.

Anyway, looking forward to reading accounts of how this is working on the practical level, both in Georgia in general and in our little corner of the hobby specifically.

As for parlors, the feedback I got today from 6 parlors was that nobody was wearing a face mask.

"Welcome to the jungle, we got fun and games. ".

[Runon99]

Models are only as good as the data that you enter.

The guy that did the "gold standard model" has redid it 7 times and it keeps going down.

Now down to 60 k deaths or less by September. Thats a long way from the 500,000 he had on his first model, that's was used to scare us all into shutting to entire country down.

We are over 50 K deaths in the US already, on April 24, only another 10 K between now and September would be an excellent outcome -- seems unlikely though. If I was a betting man, I would take the over.

On CNBC this morning, Dr. Scott Gottlieb (former head of the FDA and still friendly with Trump Administration) said that what Georgia is doing now, opening up these types of places before the state has hit its peak of infections, is a model of "exactly what not to do. ".

Hopefully the MANNER in which these places open up again will show that it isn't such a bad idea as feared. News footage I have seen, while purely anecdotal, does suggest that most of these establishments are taking safety precautions, such as the wearing of face masks and comprehensive disinfecting between customers, even if they can't maintain 6 feet of social distancing. But that's hair salons and tattoo parlors -- massage parlors, which is obviously what we are all most concerned about specifically, are the wild card. Of course, we are looking at this question from the perspective of the types of massages that WE like to get, but there's no reason why both masseuse and customer can't be wearing face masks during a legitimate massage.

Anyway, looking forward to reading accounts of how this is working on the practical level, both in Georgia in general and in our little corner of the hobby specifically.

[BigDaddyRob]

As Georgia has a population of approximately 10.5 million, ". 01 of 1%" equals approximately 1050 people. We have lost 838 as of this writing with little sign of a let up. The Governor's efforts to open the economy early will only cause the death rate to increase, so I think your estimate is wildly optimistic.

Not to mention the 20% that get hospitalized, anyone I have heard of that had it bad felt like they were dying, and on top of that it often takes weeks to recover, so not thanks, I will pass on this came of roulette.

[BigDaddyRob]

Has anyone been hearing reports of rather the Covid19 is declining or increasing? I don't watch much news and not seeing much on social media. I did hear by May should be info of whether it'll all be "back to normal" (hence the quotes).

https://dhpexternal.dph.ga.gov/ncovr...ling_cases.png

https://dhpexternal.dph.ga.gov/ncovr...ing_deaths.png

[SeekingHead]

LOL how is a strip club an essential business?

A lot of pent up sexual frustrations need to be released.

[Jims2321]

'But the USC data does offer some reassuring news: COVID-19 death rates may be lower than expected. When experts factor in those additional cases, the mortality rate plummets to less than 0.2 percent. '.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...ll-us-n1188721

'which translates to approximately 221,000 to 442,000 adults in the county who have been infected. That estimate is 28 to 55 times higher than the 7,994 confirmed cases of COVID-19 reported to the county at the time of the study in early April. '.

https://news.usc.edu/168987/antibody...ngeles-county/

Yes, and when then the CDC can start catching up on the backlog of cadaver tests to see if Covid was a cause of death / contributing factor, we will get a better picture. Honestly, if you want to gamble with your health, by all mean feel free. Just keep at least 6 feet away from anyone when you are out, that it not too big an ask.

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/artic...s-15217371.php

[Aaron Hamlet]

'But the USC data does offer some reassuring news: COVID-19 death rates may be lower than expected. When experts factor in those additional cases, the mortality rate plummets to less than 0.2 percent. '.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...ll-us-n1188721

'which translates to approximately 221,000 to 442,000 adults in the county who have been infected. That estimate is 28 to 55 times higher than the 7,994 confirmed cases of COVID-19 reported to the county at the time of the study in early April. '.

https://news.usc.edu/168987/antibody...ngeles-county/

[Mr Tattoo]

Let us have this one. They can dress as drs and nurses or something. Make it like the scene in the sopranos.

Good luck on that LOL.

[Niteluvr]

He's also free to stay and try to change things for the better. You could leave

I already bought one-way tickets for both of you to a deserted island in the Pacific.

[TechSticles]

You're free to leave at any time.

He's also free to stay and try to change things for the better. You could leave.

[STandR]

I commend you in your effort in trying to talk sense to the ignorant masses.

Well, President Cuomo, opps sorry I meant NewYork Governor Cuomo, had every reason to be concerned about how fast COVID-19 was spreading in NewYork. See attached chart.

Strikingly, in the state of New York, the number of people who died with coronavirus last week was more than any other cause of death in fact, more than twice the average number who die in a week from all causes combined.

In the worst week of the 2017-18 flu season, New York saw 218 deaths from flu and pneumonia and 2,098 total from all causes. Last week, the state saw 4,694 reported Covid-19 deaths alone. These figures must put to rest the dying with but not of line of skepticism. The idea that this many people would have died anyway even without Covid-19 is simply not credible.

[Sgt Soros]

When Cuomo cried that he would need 40,000 ventilators or people would die and at most, he used just a tad bit over 5,000; that should prove that people were running more scared and not using common sense.

Well, U.S. President Cuomo, opps sorry I meant NewYork Governor Cuomo, had every reason to be concerned about how fast COVID-19 was spreading in NewYork. See attached chart.

Strikingly, in the state of New York, the number of people who died with coronavirus last week was more than any other cause of death in fact, more than twice the average number who die in a week from all causes combined.

In the worst week of the 2017-18 flu season, New York saw 218 deaths from flu and pneumonia and 2,098 total from all causes. Last week, the state saw 4,694 reported Covid-19 deaths alone. These figures must put to rest the dying with but not of line of skepticism. The idea that this many people would have died anyway even without Covid-19 is simply not credible.