The Rat Trap

**TrollingObt** · 03-03-20 21:04

Originally Posted by JJFresh [View Original Post]

Aren't we in a "union" now? LOL Wouldn't this forum be considered a "union?

And YES! Setting a standard is a GREAT idea! It's not going to happen overnight, but if we all participate consistently everyday, it WILL and CAN happen! OR we do nothing. Then we'll just keep getting what we're getting now! I know which team I'm playing for, I've already drawn my line in the sand and I know there are others that have too.

So who's team are you on?

Think about it, every encounter is different.

A girl might be willing to go with a good looking young dude driving a nice car for less than they'd charge an old ugly dude driving a white panel van. Will that be allowed in your "union".

A very good head specialist should get more than a girl that chews on your dick like its beef jerky.

Shouldn't that head specialist be able to set a higher price for non-covered vs covered or if the guy finishes in 20 minutes instead of 2?

Does the weather play a role in your price restrictions? What about police activity? Sometimes the girls just want to get away from the trail for a while and will take a lower price. I once got a cute very nice girl for an overnight at $100 because it was in the mid 90's and she was hot, tired and wanted a shower and comfortable bed.

Car dates vs motel visits? Car dates vs Resort visits?

Are prices discounted if she's dirty? Smelly? Stoned?

What if she's the only girl on the trail compared to a day when there are 15 girls standing together?

How do you put prices on those variable?

The only thing that matters is if you are willing to pay the amount she is asking or are you willing to drive away. If you start driving away then she may throw out a lower price or not. If you end up working it out but it's a contentious atmosphere then you may wish you didn't pick her up.

You should offer what you think she's worth to you and if she agrees then you're set. This entire conversation is foolish. It won't work.

**JJFresh** · 03-03-20 20:46

Originally Posted by Camera3 [View Original Post]

Oh, contraire. I imagine a huge percentage of guys are in this hobby because their "free" pussy is either awful or cutting them off.

Look, using economic terms, your premise is we guys should, basically, form a union and demand lower prices. This works only if ALL members of the community join the union. Either that or if the providers would respect the union demands even for non-union members.

The best example of this is the recent demise of K-Mart. They died a slow death because they refused to listen to concerned citizens (the case of the PAC that called them out on being the largest seller of porn and them ignoring that and falling to the largest boycott in US history. And couple with the fact that they just couldn't compete with upstarts like Walmart).

I can only imagine that the members on this site make up a small fraction of guys that hire hookers in Central Florida. I base this on the reviews I read on other sites by guys not on here and the huge number of hookers that advertise but are never reviewed here. Don't get me wrong, I value the judgements of our members. I just wish their reviews were more broad, and that we saw more ladies and reviewed them. Face it, we have a very few members who even review and they tend to review the same girls over and over.

A real-world case. I recently offered up a UTR who was in need and agreed to see more guys to raise the cash she needed. I made one post and had about 85 guys ask for her contact info. Only about 60 made the cut because of review count and history. Of those, five contacted her and two made dates. If you are trying to form any sort of unity front (to form your union), that record sucks.

So, yeah, none of us wants to pay more than a certain amount for fuck a lady. But to exercise control over that, you would need to form a solid union and be willing for ALL in the union to strike.

With respect, sir, that is a dog that don't hunt.

Not exactly an economics term, but you get the point.

OK. All that said, what can we REALLY do? Set our own standards. Decide what you can afford and stick with it. Be willing to get what you get for the price. If your willingness to spend is $80, you aren't going to get most of the ladies reviewed here and advertise on the various sites to fuck you. But you will get some to, they are just not going to be top shelf. Each of us has to decide what we are willing to spend for what quality. And, if enough of us are willing to just walk away, then, yeah, we can have some effect of the price of things. But we cannot control it.

Play safe,

C3.

Aren't we in a "union" now? LOL Wouldn't this forum be considered a "union?"

And YES! Setting a standard is a GREAT idea! It's not going to happen overnight, but if we all participate consistently everyday, it WILL and CAN happen! OR we do nothing. Then we'll just keep getting what we're getting now! I know which team I'm playing for, I've already drawn my line in the sand and I know there are others that have too.

So who's team are you on?

**JJFresh** · 03-03-20 20:27

Originally Posted by JayJayTwo [View Original Post]

Yes, you're correct

Thank you! I rest my case! 😂 😂

**JayJayTwo** · 03-03-20 19:15

Originally Posted by JJFresh [View Original Post]

Interesting that in that entire article, which clearly points out the power of the customer vs the business, you only acknowledge that one piece of sentence, but refuse to acknowledge the message. LOL And you have a way with twisting my words into things that I never said, like "we should set the price at $10"....?? I never said that. You're trying to battle with wits, and you're not very good at it. You have a very liberal nature about you. LOL.

As I have been saying for a long time, as well as others have said, IF WE ALL SAID NO THE RIDICULOUS RATES, IT WILL GO DOWN! That is all I have been saying. I challenge everyone to say NO to the GPS hoes for 30 days and see what happens!

And yes I pay for pussy sometimes. Duh! I don't deny that, BUT I don't put pussy on a pedestal and I don't always pay for it, but when I do, I don't give my business to the GPS hoes! And yes, I can get it for free!

Once last point, as pointed out in the article: "The bottom line is this: You can have all the OEMs and partners you want. You can satisfy their needs all you want. But if the product you manufacture doesn't add value, doesn't sell, or isn't something the end customer cares about, both you and your partners are going to go out of business. " "ECON 101" Smh

WHO WORKS FOR WHO? You still have not answered that question!

Stay FRESH 💪

Yes, you're correct, I picked out a single line from the article to use in my post. That said, since it was from the article you used to support your argument, it certainly seemed appropriate to pull a statement out of that same article to demonstrate the inaccuracy of the argument. And you're also correct in that, to my knowledge, you never said we should set the price at $10. Instead, I merely took your argument to its logical conclusion. After all, if we, and we alone, dictate the price, why not make it dirt cheap? I'll answer that for you, because we alone do NOT dictate the price. As I stated in reply to OriginalSin (by the way, are you two related?) it takes BOTH sides to determine the price. Just as we would never pay $1,000, they would never accept $10. We do what we can to bring the price down, they do what they can to take the price up, and we reach a mutually agreeable rate. The same is true in any business, service industry or otherwise. The outcome would be the same whether you're talking about the pool cleaner, the CPA, mechanic, lawn maintenance or whatever. If the price is too low, the provider will stop providing, at least to that person, and move on. Similar with the consumer, if the price is too high, the consumer will shop around and look for another provider.

**JayJayTwo** · 03-03-20 19:05

Originally Posted by OriginalSin [View Original Post]

A decade? Wow! And you haven't learned anything? Either you refuse to agree or you just want to continue beating a dead horse. This will be my last response to this.

You compare a legal business to an "underground" business? You're comparing a legal profession (doctor) to an underground profession (escort). Let's go ahead and use your examples. If people aren't happy with a doctor's service or Tesla's cars, all they have to do is stop buying it, Right? And if enough people do that, what do you think will happen?

I'm sure you've heard of the term "shopping"? If you shop around for whatever product or service you want, you're going to shop for the "best bang for the buck" RIGHT? I know I do. Everyone "SHOPS" for the best deal. Do you think this can be applied to this hobby?

In this profession, these girls don't offer anything that you can't get for FREE. They offer pussy! That's it, just pussy! It's just pussy buddy. You're telling me that pussy is worth 100 qv? Or 250 hh? Is that what you're telling me? Tax free dollars I should add! Are you telling me you can't get pussy for free? Let me guess, you're going to come back with how hot a girl is and all that nonsense. If you're thinking this way, you're a loss cause, you cannot be helped.

A lot of these girls are making more than doctors and lawyers on an hourly basis (tax free)! I've never made $100 for 15-20 min of my time, let alone $80 hh. Have you? And in most cases when you arrive at their location, they're staying at some run down dump or cheap hotel and don't offer anything more when you get there! A lot of the times the service sucks! Seriously, do we need to continue this conversation?

The BIG problem is, you and all the others that want to pay ridiculous prices, put the pussy on a pedestal. You surrendered your manhood to the pussy and the girls that work in this business know it, so they WILL exploit you and all the others. Look at all the cash app scams and the guys that fall for it smh! Pussy IS NOT that important! Get that thru your (big) heads fellas. Some of you are acting like crackheads when it comes to pussy.

BTW, you shot your self in the foot with this comment, "Can we EFFECT prices? Absolutely. Can we DICTATE prices? Absolutely not. " You're making this too easy for me. LOL I'll let you chew on that for awhile.

SIN.

Let's go with your model of selling lollipops. You picked a price, made sales and decided to increase the price. Sales continued, you made another decision to raise prices. Ultimately, the customer left decided the price was too high and sales dropped. You then used your accumulated knowledge to come up with a price that maximized profits. In other words, you initially corrected from too low a price, the consumer then made you correct from too high a price and you mutually determined the price. That's the argument I've been stating from the beginning. In the hobby, as the consumer, we're only part of the equation. The provider is also part of the equation. We correct from too high of a price, they correct from too low of a price and we mutually determine the price. So no, I didn't "shoot (my) self in the foot, that has been precisely my argument all along, yes, we effect the price, no we do not dictate the price. Just like with your lollipop sales, both sides determine the price point.

**Camera3** · 03-03-20 10:09

Originally Posted by JJFresh [View Original Post]

@C3 - 50% of the population aren't working hoes buddy! Your logic is very flawed! 👎 I think you took "ECON 101" on Sesame Street 😂

Oh, contraire. I imagine a huge percentage of guys are in this hobby because their "free" pussy is either awful or cutting them off.

Look, using economic terms, your premise is we guys should, basically, form a union and demand lower prices. This works only if ALL members of the community join the union. Either that or if the providers would respect the union demands even for non-union members.

The best example of this is the recent demise of K-Mart. They died a slow death because they refused to listen to concerned citizens (the case of the PAC that called them out on being the largest seller of porn and them ignoring that and falling to the largest boycott in US history. And couple with the fact that they just couldn't compete with upstarts like Walmart).

I can only imagine that the members on this site make up a small fraction of guys that hire hookers in Central Florida. I base this on the reviews I read on other sites by guys not on here and the huge number of hookers that advertise but are never reviewed here. Don't get me wrong, I value the judgements of our members. I just wish their reviews were more broad, and that we saw more ladies and reviewed them. Face it, we have a very few members who even review and they tend to review the same girls over and over.

A real-world case. I recently offered up a UTR who was in need and agreed to see more guys to raise the cash she needed. I made one post and had about 85 guys ask for her contact info. Only about 60 made the cut because of review count and history. Of those, five contacted her and two made dates. If you are trying to form any sort of unity front (to form your union), that record sucks.

So, yeah, none of us wants to pay more than a certain amount for fuck a lady. But to exercise control over that, you would need to form a solid union and be willing for ALL in the union to strike.

With respect, sir, that is a dog that don't hunt.

Not exactly an economics term, but you get the point.

OK. All that said, what can we REALLY do? Set our own standards. Decide what you can afford and stick with it. Be willing to get what you get for the price. If your willingness to spend is $80, you aren't going to get most of the ladies reviewed here and advertise on the various sites to fuck you. But you will get some to, they are just not going to be top shelf. Each of us has to decide what we are willing to spend for what quality. And, if enough of us are willing to just walk away, then, yeah, we can have some effect of the price of things. But we cannot control it.

Play safe,

C3.

**OriginalSin** · 03-03-20 00:40

Originally Posted by TrollingObt [View Original Post]

If everyone moves on from the girl that has too high of a rate then it will come down.

That is all I'm saying.

**OriginalSin** · 03-03-20 00:36

I remember a kid back in high school that sold lollipops and gum and other nick-nacks. The lollipop was the most popular item because it was the blowpop. Anyway, the kid was doing well, he was making decent change at. $35 a pop. Then he wanted to make more money and doubled down on the lollipops and started to sell it a $. 50 a pop. He made a little more money, but not enough to get the car he wanted. So he decided to raise the price to $1.00.

Guess what happened? He made less and noticed that there were less kids looking for him and it got to a point to where he was not making enough to buy more lollipops. So what did he do? It was pretty clear that the market had a ceiling. The kids have spoken and he lowered his price back down and eventually got enough money for a down payment on the car he wanted.

Economics 101 fellas. That kid was me! The kids at my school voted with their wallet.

Here's an article I found from the NY Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/20/b...ket-power.html.

"A basic rule of economics is that the price depends on how willing consumers are to buy something else.

The less consumers pay attention when they buy — and the more they just follow a set shopping pattern.

— the greater the market power possessed by the seller, and the more that seller can charge.

Modern companies know this very well, and they do what they can to improve their advantages over unwary consumers.

I've unwittingly been caught in consumer traps myself."

Who works for who?

**WebHammer** · 03-02-20 21:38

Originally Posted by TrollingObt [View Original Post]

OMG, you guys are way over thinking this. The price is determined between the guy and the girl. If her rate is too high then move on to the next one. Maybe that next one has a rent payment due or has a need to visit her street pharmacist. If you think there's any way in Hell that you're going to set a market rate then you're fucking insane.

You're basically talking about setting a market rate using Keynesian economic theory when a good portion of the suppliers wake up in the morning and don't even know what day of the week it is. There are guys on this site and guys that are not. Do you really think that you're going to get them all in alignment to say only pay xx dollars to a certain girl?

Some guys will pay a premium for extra time, some will pay a premium for beauty, some will pay a premium for certain fetishes and some will pay a premium for other preferences. To think that you will get USASG and non USASG members in alignment is absolute foolishness.

If everyone moves on from the girl that has too higoh of a rate then it will come down.

Absolutely agree with TrollingObt.

**TrollingObt** · 03-02-20 20:20

OMG, you guys are way over thinking this. The price is determined between the guy and the girl. If her rate is too high then move on to the next one. Maybe that next one has a rent payment due or has a need to visit her street pharmacist. If you think there's any way in Hell that you're going to set a market rate then you're fucking insane.

You're basically talking about setting a market rate using Keynesian economic theory when a good portion of the suppliers wake up in the morning and don't even know what day of the week it is. There are guys on this site and guys that are not. Do you really think that you're going to get them all in alignment to say only pay xx dollars to a certain girl?

Some guys will pay a premium for extra time, some will pay a premium for beauty, some will pay a premium for certain fetishes and some will pay a premium for other preferences. To think that you will get USASG and non USASG members in alignment is absolute foolishness.

If everyone moves on from the girl that has too high of a rate then it will come down.

**JJFresh** · 03-02-20 20:08

Originally Posted by JayJayTwo [View Original Post]

Absolutely correct, supply AND demand dictate the price. And, as suggested by C3, if the supply is low and the demand is high, the price goes up. Simple equation from good ol' Econ 101!

Really?? Where??

**JJFresh** · 03-02-20 20:03

Originally Posted by OriginalSin [View Original Post]

A decade? Wow! And you haven't learned anything? Either you refuse to agree or you just want to continue beating a dead horse. This will be my last response to this.

You compare a legal business to an "underground" business? You're comparing a legal profession (doctor) to an underground profession (escort). Let's go ahead and use your examples. If people aren't happy with a doctor's service or Tesla's cars, all they have to do is stop buying it, Right? And if enough people do that, what do you think will happen?

I'm sure you've heard of the term "shopping"? If you shop around for whatever product or service you want, you're going to shop for the "best bang for the buck" RIGHT? I know I do. Everyone "SHOPS" for the best deal. Do you think this can be applied to this hobby?

In this profession, these girls don't offer anything that you can't get for FREE. They offer pussy! That's it, just pussy! It's just pussy buddy. You're telling me that pussy is worth 100 qv? Or 250 hh? Is that what you're telling me? Tax free dollars I should add! Are you telling me you can't get pussy for free? Let me guess, you're going to come back with how hot a girl is and all that nonsense. If you're thinking this way, you're a loss cause, you cannot be helped.

A lot of these girls are making more than doctors and lawyers on an hourly basis (tax free)! I've never made $100 for 15-20 min of my time, let alone $80 hh. Have you? And in most cases when you arrive at their location, they're staying at some run down dump or cheap hotel and don't offer anything more when you get there! A lot of the times the service sucks! Seriously, do we need to continue this conversation?

The BIG problem is, you and all the others that want to pay ridiculous prices, put the pussy on a pedestal. You surrendered your manhood to the pussy and the girls that work in this business know it, so they WILL exploit you and all the others. Look at all the cash app scams and the guys that fall for it smh! Pussy IS NOT that important! Get that thru your (big) heads fellas. Some of you are acting like crackheads when it comes to pussy.

BTW, you shot your self in the foot with this comment, "Can we EFFECT prices? Absolutely. Can we DICTATE prices? Absolutely not. " You're making this too easy for me. LOL I'll let you chew on that for awhile.

SIN

Very good points!

**JJFresh** · 03-02-20 19:53

Originally Posted by IIIII [View Original Post]

This.

For the guys who have spent time with a quality provider while she's off the clock can attest to how many calls / text she gets in a day and the sheer number of those inquiries she turns down. If you think that by not donating her rates will make her "starve" you are sadly mistaken and delusional. For everyone of the "make her starve" guys she has 10 or more who will gladly take your spot, pay her rates and have a fun time with her.

Originally Posted by Camera3 [View Original Post]

50% of the population controls 100% of the pussy.

Did you sleep through Econ 101?

You are kidding yourself if you think we have any say so in price that extends past the law of supply and demand. She controls the supply. We control the demand. And there is way more demand than supply.

Just sayin'.

C3.

Thanks for making my point! All the suckers that can't laid ANY OTHER WAY will continue to lower their self worth and succumb to the GPS hoes! Just keep reinforcing the bad habit! It's like trying to make a crackhead stop crack, but you keep giving them crack! How does that work?

@C3 - 50% of the population aren't working hoes buddy! Your logic is very flawed! 👎 I think you took "ECON 101" on Sesame Street 😂

**JJFresh** · 03-02-20 19:44

Originally Posted by JayJayTwo [View Original Post]

Your belief that we, and we alone, set the price is incorrect. If that were true, why not set it at $10? Or maybe even $5? After all, if WE set the prices, then let's set it as low as we want, then cost would never prohibit us from indulging in the hobby. If you're correct, WE could do that. But let's be honest, you know that will never happen. Why? Because, as I've been saying all along, WE are only part of the equation, the providers are part of the equation too. Quoting from the article you cited, "Of course, customers are only half of the equation. Companies are the other half. " So thank you for that, your own article confirms exactly what I've been saying all along, BOTH sides of the equation factor into the ultimate decision on price.

Oh, and what's the point of the comment on "Can't you get pussy without paying for it?" Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that why YOU'RE on this site? Because you (at least sometimes) pay for it?

I do agree with your last point though, there really should be nothing to debate on this simple issue of economics.

Interesting that in that entire article, which clearly points out the power of the customer vs the business, you only acknowledge that one piece of sentence, but refuse to acknowledge the message. LOL And you have a way with twisting my words into things that I never said, like "we should set the price at $10"....?? I never said that. You're trying to battle with wits, and you're not very good at it. You have a very liberal nature about you. LOL.

As I have been saying for a long time, as well as others have said, IF WE ALL SAID NO THE RIDICULOUS RATES, IT WILL GO DOWN! That is all I have been saying. I challenge everyone to say NO to the GPS hoes for 30 days and see what happens!

And yes I pay for pussy sometimes. Duh! I don't deny that, BUT I don't put pussy on a pedestal and I don't always pay for it, but when I do, I don't give my business to the GPS hoes! And yes, I can get it for free!

Once last point, as pointed out in the article: "The bottom line is this: You can have all the OEMs and partners you want. You can satisfy their needs all you want. But if the product you manufacture doesn't add value, doesn't sell, or isn't something the end customer cares about, both you and your partners are going to go out of business. " "ECON 101" Smh

WHO WORKS FOR WHO? You still have not answered that question!

Stay FRESH 💪

**JayJayTwo** · 03-02-20 17:06

Originally Posted by JJFresh [View Original Post]

How can you compare a doctor to a hoe? LOL Doctors spend years of education to learn a very technical field. Hoes lay on their backs and most of them have little to no education! So to answer your question....YES! We can dictate/effect the rates! Because we hold the money!

It's just pussy bro! It's something that can be had for nothing. Can't you get pussy without paying for it?

If anything, we would be helping these hoes out if we say no to their GPS! It would force them to go out and learn a skill to get a normal job and/or prevent them from relying on this line of work for their candy habit. It would also prevent pimps from having to live off these girls!

At the end of the day, when it's all said and done, it's just pussy! You bust your nut and leave! Why is it so hard for some of you to understand?

As Sin asked: "Who works for who? Do you work for them or do they work for you? Who has the money?

There's an old proverb that says: "He who holds the gold makes the rules. " A more modern version of that is: "He who holds the money makes the rules. ".

Here's a very good article that you all (that think we can't control rates) should read.

https://www.confirmit.com/Resources/...d-Makes-the-R/

"This is definitely changing and we're seeing a new trend in the marketplace: the shift from B2B to B2B2C. Why? Because of one simple rule: the Golden Rule. No, not that Golden Rule. The other one. The one that reads: He who holds the gold makes the rules. Whoever has the money, has the power; in this case, it's your customers. Customers have the power. They talk to each other. They share experiences. They are much more informed than they've ever been, and they have higher expectations. ".

I hope this settles is "debate" because there is really nothing to debate.

Stay FRESH! 💪

Your belief that we, and we alone, set the price is incorrect. If that were true, why not set it at $10? Or maybe even $5? After all, if WE set the prices, then let's set it as low as we want, then cost would never prohibit us from indulging in the hobby. If you're correct, WE could do that. But let's be honest, you know that will never happen. Why? Because, as I've been saying all along, WE are only part of the equation, the providers are part of the equation too. Quoting from the article you cited, "Of course, customers are only half of the equation. Companies are the other half. " So thank you for that, your own article confirms exactly what I've been saying all along, BOTH sides of the equation factor into the ultimate decision on price.

Oh, and what's the point of the comment on "Can't you get pussy without paying for it?" Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that why YOU'RE on this site? Because you (at least sometimes) pay for it?

I do agree with your last point though, there really should be nothing to debate on this simple issue of economics.