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03-03-20 18:05 #8877
Any business will work
Let's go with your model of selling lollipops. You picked a price, made sales and decided to increase the price. Sales continued, you made another decision to raise prices. Ultimately, the customer left decided the price was too high and sales dropped. You then used your accumulated knowledge to come up with a price that maximized profits. In other words, you initially corrected from too low a price, the consumer then made you correct from too high a price and you mutually determined the price. That's the argument I've been stating from the beginning. In the hobby, as the consumer, we're only part of the equation. The provider is also part of the equation. We correct from too high of a price, they correct from too low of a price and we mutually determine the price. So no, I didn't "shoot (my) self in the foot, that has been precisely my argument all along, yes, we effect the price, no we do not dictate the price. Just like with your lollipop sales, both sides determine the price point.
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03-03-20 09:09 #8876Oh, contraire. I imagine a huge percentage of guys are in this hobby because their "free" pussy is either awful or cutting them off. Originally Posted by JJFresh
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Look, using economic terms, your premise is we guys should, basically, form a union and demand lower prices. This works only if ALL members of the community join the union. Either that or if the providers would respect the union demands even for non-union members.
The best example of this is the recent demise of K-Mart. They died a slow death because they refused to listen to concerned citizens (the case of the PAC that called them out on being the largest seller of porn and them ignoring that and falling to the largest boycott in US history. And couple with the fact that they just couldn't compete with upstarts like Walmart).
I can only imagine that the members on this site make up a small fraction of guys that hire hookers in Central Florida. I base this on the reviews I read on other sites by guys not on here and the huge number of hookers that advertise but are never reviewed here. Don't get me wrong, I value the judgements of our members. I just wish their reviews were more broad, and that we saw more ladies and reviewed them. Face it, we have a very few members who even review and they tend to review the same girls over and over.
A real-world case. I recently offered up a UTR who was in need and agreed to see more guys to raise the cash she needed. I made one post and had about 85 guys ask for her contact info. Only about 60 made the cut because of review count and history. Of those, five contacted her and two made dates. If you are trying to form any sort of unity front (to form your union), that record sucks.
So, yeah, none of us wants to pay more than a certain amount for fuck a lady. But to exercise control over that, you would need to form a solid union and be willing for ALL in the union to strike.
With respect, sir, that is a dog that don't hunt.
Not exactly an economics term, but you get the point.
OK. All that said, what can we REALLY do? Set our own standards. Decide what you can afford and stick with it. Be willing to get what you get for the price. If your willingness to spend is $80, you aren't going to get most of the ladies reviewed here and advertise on the various sites to fuck you. But you will get some to, they are just not going to be top shelf. Each of us has to decide what we are willing to spend for what quality. And, if enough of us are willing to just walk away, then, yeah, we can have some effect of the price of things. But we cannot control it.
Play safe,
C3.
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03-02-20 23:40 #8875
Exactlly
That is all I'm saying. Originally Posted by TrollingObt
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03-02-20 23:36 #8874
Selling lollipops
I remember a kid back in high school that sold lollipops and gum and other nick-nacks. The lollipop was the most popular item because it was the blowpop. Anyway, the kid was doing well, he was making decent change at. $35 a pop. Then he wanted to make more money and doubled down on the lollipops and started to sell it a $. 50 a pop. He made a little more money, but not enough to get the car he wanted. So he decided to raise the price to $1.00.
Guess what happened? He made less and noticed that there were less kids looking for him and it got to a point to where he was not making enough to buy more lollipops. So what did he do? It was pretty clear that the market had a ceiling. The kids have spoken and he lowered his price back down and eventually got enough money for a down payment on the car he wanted.
Economics 101 fellas. That kid was me! The kids at my school voted with their wallet.
Here's an article I found from the NY Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/20/b...ket-power.html.
"A basic rule of economics is that the price depends on how willing consumers are to buy something else.
The less consumers pay attention when they buy — and the more they just follow a set shopping pattern.
— the greater the market power possessed by the seller, and the more that seller can charge.
Modern companies know this very well, and they do what they can to improve their advantages over unwary consumers.
I've unwittingly been caught in consumer traps myself."
Who works for who?
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03-02-20 20:38 #8873Absolutely agree with TrollingObt. Originally Posted by TrollingObt
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03-02-20 19:20 #8872
Rates
OMG, you guys are way over thinking this. The price is determined between the guy and the girl. If her rate is too high then move on to the next one. Maybe that next one has a rent payment due or has a need to visit her street pharmacist. If you think there's any way in Hell that you're going to set a market rate then you're fucking insane.
You're basically talking about setting a market rate using Keynesian economic theory when a good portion of the suppliers wake up in the morning and don't even know what day of the week it is. There are guys on this site and guys that are not. Do you really think that you're going to get them all in alignment to say only pay xx dollars to a certain girl?
Some guys will pay a premium for extra time, some will pay a premium for beauty, some will pay a premium for certain fetishes and some will pay a premium for other preferences. To think that you will get USASG and non USASG members in alignment is absolute foolishness.
If everyone moves on from the girl that has too high of a rate then it will come down.
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03-02-20 19:08 #8871
Supply is low??
Really?? Where?? Originally Posted by JayJayTwo
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03-02-20 19:03 #8870
Yes sir!
Very good points! Originally Posted by OriginalSin
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03-02-20 18:53 #8869
Exactly!
Originally Posted by IIIII
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Thanks for making my point! All the suckers that can't laid ANY OTHER WAY will continue to lower their self worth and succumb to the GPS hoes! Just keep reinforcing the bad habit! It's like trying to make a crackhead stop crack, but you keep giving them crack! How does that work? Originally Posted by Camera3
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@C3 - 50% of the population aren't working hoes buddy! Your logic is very flawed! 👎 I think you took "ECON 101" on Sesame Street 😂
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03-02-20 18:44 #8868
Still wrong
Interesting that in that entire article, which clearly points out the power of the customer vs the business, you only acknowledge that one piece of sentence, but refuse to acknowledge the message. LOL And you have a way with twisting my words into things that I never said, like "we should set the price at $10"....?? I never said that. You're trying to battle with wits, and you're not very good at it. You have a very liberal nature about you. LOL. Originally Posted by JayJayTwo
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As I have been saying for a long time, as well as others have said, IF WE ALL SAID NO THE RIDICULOUS RATES, IT WILL GO DOWN! That is all I have been saying. I challenge everyone to say NO to the GPS hoes for 30 days and see what happens!
And yes I pay for pussy sometimes. Duh! I don't deny that, BUT I don't put pussy on a pedestal and I don't always pay for it, but when I do, I don't give my business to the GPS hoes! And yes, I can get it for free!
Once last point, as pointed out in the article: "The bottom line is this: You can have all the OEMs and partners you want. You can satisfy their needs all you want. But if the product you manufacture doesn't add value, doesn't sell, or isn't something the end customer cares about, both you and your partners are going to go out of business. " "ECON 101" Smh
WHO WORKS FOR WHO? You still have not answered that question!
Stay FRESH 💪
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03-02-20 16:06 #8867
Nope, still incorrect
Your belief that we, and we alone, set the price is incorrect. If that were true, why not set it at $10? Or maybe even $5? After all, if WE set the prices, then let's set it as low as we want, then cost would never prohibit us from indulging in the hobby. If you're correct, WE could do that. But let's be honest, you know that will never happen. Why? Because, as I've been saying all along, WE are only part of the equation, the providers are part of the equation too. Quoting from the article you cited, "Of course, customers are only half of the equation. Companies are the other half. " So thank you for that, your own article confirms exactly what I've been saying all along, BOTH sides of the equation factor into the ultimate decision on price. Originally Posted by JJFresh
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Oh, and what's the point of the comment on "Can't you get pussy without paying for it?" Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that why YOU'RE on this site? Because you (at least sometimes) pay for it?
I do agree with your last point though, there really should be nothing to debate on this simple issue of economics.
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03-02-20 14:22 #8866
Apples vs Oranges?
I think you guys are arguing over the price of apples versus the price of oranges, and both sides are correct.
As someone mentioned earlier, you are not going to influence the prices for top-tier providers (the [I]apples[/I. Girls like Dahlia, Farrah and Avalon have turned down dates all the time, and do not negotiate on price because either they also have a civilian day job, or they just are not in dire need of money. They are the ones that those of us who can afford them don't mind paying their prices because there are few out there that compare to the experience they provide you. Of all the girls that are available to play, these are more rare, and so they can set their own prices.
On the other hand, you can definitely influence the prices of lower-tier providers (the oranges. These girls will never turn down a date, and will often negotiate price. This is either because they don't get that many calls, and / or this is their only source on income. Your experience with them on any given day may be hit or miss you get what you pay for. They are the ones who those of us who can't afford to spend a lot of money on the hobby flock to, and so they must often fight for your business by negotiating prices and / or services.
Just my 2 cents, for what that's worth.
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03-01-20 17:33 #8865
Huh??
How can you compare a doctor to a hoe? LOL Doctors spend years of education to learn a very technical field. Hoes lay on their backs and most of them have little to no education! So to answer your question....YES! We can dictate/effect the rates! Because we hold the money! Originally Posted by JayJayTwo
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It's just pussy bro! It's something that can be had for nothing. Can't you get pussy without paying for it?
If anything, we would be helping these hoes out if we say no to their GPS! It would force them to go out and learn a skill to get a normal job and/or prevent them from relying on this line of work for their candy habit. It would also prevent pimps from having to live off these girls!
At the end of the day, when it's all said and done, it's just pussy! You bust your nut and leave! Why is it so hard for some of you to understand?
As Sin asked: "Who works for who? Do you work for them or do they work for you? Who has the money?
There's an old proverb that says: "He who holds the gold makes the rules. " A more modern version of that is: "He who holds the money makes the rules. ".
Here's a very good article that you all (that think we can't control rates) should read.
https://www.confirmit.com/Resources/...d-Makes-the-R/
"This is definitely changing and we're seeing a new trend in the marketplace: the shift from B2B to B2B2C. Why? Because of one simple rule: the Golden Rule. No, not that Golden Rule. The other one. The one that reads: He who holds the gold makes the rules. Whoever has the money, has the power; in this case, it's your customers. Customers have the power. They talk to each other. They share experiences. They are much more informed than they've ever been, and they have higher expectations. ".
I hope this settles is "debate" because there is really nothing to debate.
Stay FRESH! 💪
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03-01-20 15:03 #8864
Amen!
Absolutely correct, supply AND demand dictate the price. And, as suggested by C3, if the supply is low and the demand is high, the price goes up. Simple equation from good ol' Econ 101! Originally Posted by Camera3
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03-01-20 14:42 #8863A decade? Wow! And you haven't learned anything? Either you refuse to agree or you just want to continue beating a dead horse. This will be my last response to this. Originally Posted by JayJayTwo
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You compare a legal business to an "underground" business? You're comparing a legal profession (doctor) to an underground profession (escort). Let's go ahead and use your examples. If people aren't happy with a doctor's service or Tesla's cars, all they have to do is stop buying it, Right? And if enough people do that, what do you think will happen?
I'm sure you've heard of the term "shopping"? If you shop around for whatever product or service you want, you're going to shop for the "best bang for the buck" RIGHT? I know I do. Everyone "SHOPS" for the best deal. Do you think this can be applied to this hobby?
In this profession, these girls don't offer anything that you can't get for FREE. They offer pussy! That's it, just pussy! It's just pussy buddy. You're telling me that pussy is worth 100 qv? Or 250 hh? Is that what you're telling me? Tax free dollars I should add! Are you telling me you can't get pussy for free? Let me guess, you're going to come back with how hot a girl is and all that nonsense. If you're thinking this way, you're a loss cause, you cannot be helped.
A lot of these girls are making more than doctors and lawyers on an hourly basis (tax free)! I've never made $100 for 15-20 min of my time, let alone $80 hh. Have you? And in most cases when you arrive at their location, they're staying at some run down dump or cheap hotel and don't offer anything more when you get there! A lot of the times the service sucks! Seriously, do we need to continue this conversation?
The BIG problem is, you and all the others that want to pay ridiculous prices, put the pussy on a pedestal. You surrendered your manhood to the pussy and the girls that work in this business know it, so they WILL exploit you and all the others. Look at all the cash app scams and the guys that fall for it smh! Pussy IS NOT that important! Get that thru your (big) heads fellas. Some of you are acting like crackheads when it comes to pussy.
BTW, you shot your self in the foot with this comment, "Can we EFFECT prices? Absolutely. Can we DICTATE prices? Absolutely not. " You're making this too easy for me. LOL I'll let you chew on that for awhile.
SIN.
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