"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[TomDickNHarry]

When they start making requests like that, they will never stop. It's a personality trait and if you agree and move forward anyway, just be prepared for it. It will always be something.

And she may not have been experienced on SA, but this is not her first time to use men in some fashion for money and other things. She's a pro at that at least, she upsold you all along the way from the very outset. The way she got you to double the agreed amount was smooth as hell and definitely premeditated.

And fwiw if you take that track again, personally I think half of an FC for dinner is way too much, it's not enough of an incentive for them to move forward when they get $100 or half for nothing. I mean think about it, if she can get 100 for an hour at dinner a few times why would she FC for 200 unless she was into you? But the reality was I don't think for one second she was ever going to do it for 200, she knew she was going to get you for 300 or 400, and 1/4 of the FC amount still provides incentive. But if she was sincere about FC'ing for 200, she would've leapt at $50.

BTW, did you confirm via another profile unknown to her that you're not just blocked and she truly deleted?

Several weeks ago I met this 23 yo who was new to SA (I had to teach what is a M&G). With a college degree in a useless field she had a low-wage job and wanted to try cashing in on her beauty. Her boyfriend, from whom I was to be a secret, didn't give her money. Very intelligent girl with an amazing body, one of the best bodies I've ever had sex with.

At the M&G she suggested $200 per visit but she was to think about it. After a couple weeks of chatting and thinking she told me she was very frustrated by the site, with the usual complaint about aggressive guys and "creeps". I'm sure it's none of you gentlemen reading this. She told me I was the nicest guy she had met, but she had a lot of anxiety. So I had an idea which she agreed to: I could date her platonically for a finite time at half price ($100) until she made up her mind. It seems like a good idea for the type of girl I'd like to date.

After just one such date she texted me that she wanted to be my SB and she deleted her account on SA. Unfortunately, then the rinsing began, more proof that nice guys finish last. Her new price was now $300! To seal the deal she sent me naked mirror selfies. Then on the morning of the date she asked for a $100 tip with a promise to come down to $300 on subsequent dates. To the detriment of my anonymous handle's reputation here I confess that I caved in. However, the sex was fantastic, a great memory, and she was very sexual. To make a long story shorter, she subsequently made more financial demands, which I refused, and then she cut me off with a good-bye message saying that if she ever had an SD again, that "what I ask for, I get". I was always polite. I think that basically for the amount of money I am able to spend she didn't like me enough.

On another note, I contacted a previous SB named Mary who had quit me for the Nth time due to moral qualms. In some ways it was a mistake, but I wanted to check on how she was doing because we'd had unprotected sex. I'm responsible that way. She was at first polite and neutral but a few hours later I received a hate-filled diatribe that started with "Slave Master!" (I'm white, she's black) followed by accusations that I had manipulated her and how disappointed she was for "catching feelings" for such a "fucktard" as me, etc. I didn't argue with her but just said I was sorry that I had hurt her. I haven't heard from her in 2 weeks since then and I certainly won't bother her again. Bridges thoroughly burnt!

[DirtyDeeds38]

I've said this dozens of times, the amount she needs above 100-150 is the amount she needs to hold her nose to hang with you. Kudos on reading the situation correctly. Even for 500, almost every girl will hang with you unless you're especially old or unpalatable. This girl had a BF so her needs for you are just as an atm.

One reason I've never pursued anyone in a relationship. You start from a place that I try to avoid, her seeing you as just a source of income.

I think it really depends. I've been in the bowl going on seven years now and I can tell you for sure the vast majority of the girls I've had a SB relationship with truly enjoyed my company, the sex and all aspects of it. HOWEVER, as the past seven years have went by and like everyone else, I am aging and do not quite exhibit the youthful vigor I once did when I first started, I have noticed a shift more towards, "he's doable, but not dreamy and with some money, I can open my legs" type thing. When I first got in the bowl, most every girl I met was just downright wanting to shag me, purely for fun. They still enjoy me, but the early 20 girls, will not want anything serious anymore, as they most often did when I started this seven years ago.

A big factor is keeping physically fit. At some point, likely as we get into out mid 60's it won't matter what shape you keep, etc, you're just going to be too old to all these girls. For some of you guys, it might happen earlier, but if you stay physically in shape, many more will enjoy your company for longer into this journey.

[BookerTNelson]

With all due respect, I don't think the girl I described in entry 16543 was a pro. I'm 95% sure. I never saw her on SA before nor since, plus you have to give me credit for being the person interacting with and observing her. I did wonder why she offered a deal and then kept trying to increase the price. As far as I can tell, its because she didn't know her market value. There is a stigma and shame involved in being a sugar baby (prostitute) and also a risk (her boyfriend finding out, etc). She even mentioned those things. Also, I have to face it, she probably wasn't that much into me. Now, if you pay someone $1000 they can overcome their qualms, but if only $100 not. Hence, her price was an equilibrium point between those forces and she didn't have the experience to know how to price herself. Hence the iterations on price. She could probably make a LOT of money if she tried. If she comes back on the SA site and I notice it, I can post a link. I wouldn't try for her again myself because I think I need something less fancy / pricey.

I give you credit but remember these girls try to convince themselves one way or another about what they're going to do. So she may have been new but once she interacted with you, I'm willing to bet she jumped on the computer and googled "What to expect as a SB" and then found more information to bump up her perceived value.

[BookerTNelson]

I've said this dozens of times, the amount she needs above 100-150 is the amount she needs to hold her nose to hang with you. Kudos on reading the situation correctly. Even for 500, almost every girl will hang with you unless you're especially old or unpalatable. This girl had a BF so her needs for you are just as an atm.

One reason I've never pursued anyone in a relationship. You start from a place that I try to avoid, her seeing you as just a source of income.

Not always. Remember depending on age, these girls are dealing with men who take them for granted or aren't interesting enough to keep them engaged once he's parted her legs. If you're able to come into her life, give her some perspective, some insight or just be interesting enough to make her panties wet then you have a very good candidate on your hands.

[JustLonely]

That's the funny part to me. Since I don't keep my username / account and re-register once every six months, So many of the women who I've either done a M&G with or seen a couple times still claim they're new, etc. One of my SB's from a few years ago that I had a SD / SB + BDSM dynamic reached out to my new profile and claiming she was new, confused and looking for someone to help her navigate through.

You are right about that. I called one out on that and she blocked me. Also I always keep another fake SA account as an unpaid nobody so I can monitor things. My current SB says she is off of Seeking and that she only wants me. Funny thing my fake account has her online today. She blocked me at some point. No matter as long as her panties keep hitting the floor. It's all a big game on both sides. Doesn't take long for most SB's to learn the ropes.

[EvilTmp]

With all due respect, I don't think the girl I described in entry 16543 was a pro. I'm 95% sure. I never saw her on SA before nor since, plus you have to give me credit for being the person interacting with and observing her. I did wonder why she offered a deal and then kept trying to increase the price. As far as I can tell, its because she didn't know her market value. There is a stigma and shame involved in being a sugar baby (prostitute) and also a risk (her boyfriend finding out, etc). She even mentioned those things. Also, I have to face it, she probably wasn't that much into me. Now, if you pay someone $1000 they can overcome their qualms, but if only $100 not. Hence, her price was an equilibrium point between those forces and she didn't have the experience to know how to price herself. Hence the iterations on price. She could probably make a LOT of money if she tried. If she comes back on the SA site and I notice it, I can post a link. I wouldn't try for her again myself because I think I need something less fancy / pricey.

I've said this dozens of times, the amount she needs above 100-150 is the amount she needs to hold her nose to hang with you. Kudos on reading the situation correctly. Even for 500, almost every girl will hang with you unless you're especially old or unpalatable. This girl had a BF so her needs for you are just as an atm.

One reason I've never pursued anyone in a relationship. You start from a place that I try to avoid, her seeing you as just a source of income.

[Snake27]

With all due respect, I don't think the girl I described in entry 16543 was a pro. I'm 95% sure. I never saw her on SA before nor since, plus you have to give me credit for being the person interacting with and observing her. I did wonder why she offered a deal and then kept trying to increase the price. As far as I can tell, its because she didn't know her market value. There is a stigma and shame involved in being a sugar baby (prostitute) and also a risk (her boyfriend finding out, etc). She even mentioned those things. Also, I have to face it, she probably wasn't that much into me. Now, if you pay someone $1000 they can overcome their qualms, but if only $100 not. Hence, her price was an equilibrium point between those forces and she didn't have the experience to know how to price herself. Hence the iterations on price. She could probably make a LOT of money if she tried. If she comes back on the SA site and I notice it, I can post a link. I wouldn't try for her again myself because I think I need something less fancy / pricey.

[BookerTNelson]

No she wasn't.

She was just a pro with a good game.

All of these girls claim to be new to the bowl.

That's the funny part to me. Since I don't keep my username / account and re-register once every six months, So many of the women who I've either done a M&G with or seen a couple times still claim they're new, etc. One of my SB's from a few years ago that I had a SD / SB + BDSM dynamic reached out to my new profile and claiming she was new, confused and looking for someone to help her navigate through.

[CarlosDanger1]

In a quest for variety and different experiences. Tried a married baby. Not the best of lookers but fun one time experience. Anyone else have experience?

[GolfMan57]

From GPS to Psycho to Scammer. Is that all that is out there? It seems to almost everyone that I contact. Whatever happened to the good old days?

[RegularJoe1985]

This one scammed a friend of mine recently. Did a cash and dash.

Buyer beware.

She is in Fredericksburg.

Wanted me to give her money before we met and was indignant that I suggested that after coffee, we can go to a room if everything checks out. I said No, Thanks which made her furious.

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Several weeks ago I met this 23 yo who was new to SA (I had to teach what is a M&G).

No she wasn't.

She was just a pro with a good game.

All of these girls claim to be new to the bowl.

[Snake27]

Several weeks ago I met this 23 yo who was new to SA (I had to teach what is a M&G). With a college degree in a useless field she had a low-wage job and wanted to try cashing in on her beauty. Her boyfriend, from whom I was to be a secret, didn't give her money. Very intelligent girl with an amazing body, one of the best bodies I've ever had sex with.

At the M&G she suggested $200 per visit but she was to think about it. After a couple weeks of chatting and thinking she told me she was very frustrated by the site, with the usual complaint about aggressive guys and "creeps". I'm sure it's none of you gentlemen reading this. She told me I was the nicest guy she had met, but she had a lot of anxiety. So I had an idea which she agreed to: I could date her platonically for a finite time at half price ($100) until she made up her mind. It seems like a good idea for the type of girl I'd like to date.

After just one such date she texted me that she wanted to be my SB and she deleted her account on SA. Unfortunately, then the rinsing began, more proof that nice guys finish last. Her new price was now $300! To seal the deal she sent me naked mirror selfies. Then on the morning of the date she asked for a $100 tip with a promise to come down to $300 on subsequent dates. To the detriment of my anonymous handle's reputation here I confess that I caved in. However, the sex was fantastic, a great memory, and she was very sexual. To make a long story shorter, she subsequently made more financial demands, which I refused, and then she cut me off with a good-bye message saying that if she ever had an SD again, that "what I ask for, I get". I was always polite. I think that basically for the amount of money I am able to spend she didn't like me enough.

On another note, I contacted a previous SB named Mary who had quit me for the Nth time due to moral qualms. In some ways it was a mistake, but I wanted to check on how she was doing because we'd had unprotected sex. I'm responsible that way. She was at first polite and neutral but a few hours later I received a hate-filled diatribe that started with "Slave Master!" (I'm white, she's black) followed by accusations that I had manipulated her and how disappointed she was for "catching feelings" for such a "fucktard" as me, etc. I didn't argue with her but just said I was sorry that I had hurt her. I haven't heard from her in 2 weeks since then and I certainly won't bother her again. Bridges thoroughly burnt!

[TomDickNHarry]

I've recently got back into the bowl after taking more than a year off. My impression is that Sugaring and Seeking has been growing in popularity with young women. Many more youtube channels and blogs sharing strategies and successes on how to make "easy money" from " Sugar Daddy's" with our giving up any sugar. It's all made SDs seem like impersonal bots that no one should feel bad about wasting their time, misleading them or maximizing the $s they extract.

I see a lot more Platonic Only, Online Only, GPS profiles and straight escorts. I also see a lot more profiles in total. It takes more work to find a good match, but the choice has increased and good matches can still be found. The propaganda has poisoned many potentially good SBs.

I don't find the flaking any worse, it's always been terrible, but the platonic, online, gps, cashapp / venmo scams, are up 10 fold in the last few years. I think for the most part it's just been getting progressively worse, the only specific thing I can point to is when they started allowing online only profiles, there was a step change in lower quality profiles. And the number of escorts on there unquestionably increased after FOSTA.

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In the last several weeks, I've had as many last-minute ghosts as I've had the prior five years I've been on SA. There's no particular pattern that I can see. One I had been talking to for a couple of weeks, and we were supposed to meet for lunch and then move to a hotel if we liked each other; my last text from her was the night before the proposed meeting, but the next morning, she didn't respond to texts, and I haven't heard from her since, although she's been on SA. One had given me the address of her apartment and told me to text her when I was there. I texted her from the parking lot, and she told me what apartment to ring. I rang a few times and got no response. I left, and about two hours later got a text asking me what had happened. The most recent was just an M&G at a restaurant. We had been trying to set something up for a couple of weeks, and we texted back and forth confirming the time and place the morning of; I went to the restaurant and waited for almost 30 minutes before ordering food for myself and having a solo lunch. Each of these incidents involved arranged times and places, and the latter two involved my actually going to the appointed place. I'm wondering whether I'm just having bad luck (fortunately, I've also had some good luck recently, too), or whether there's some kind of new sport where girls play games like this to feel like they have some power.

These events are more serious than the regular ghosting that occurs when someone you've been talking to stops responding to your messages. These cases involved my arranging time off of work and a fair amount of time driving around. Has anyone else noticed such a pattern?

You're getting catfished.

The person you've been communicating with is watching you show up and wait. They get a thrill out of doing so.

I would never waste a couple of weeks messaging with someone. Just text a few times and set up a meeting. If they don't agree to meet, block and move on. It's just someone who is looking for a texting friend, catfishing you, or whatever.

Anyone serious about an arrangement will meet in person after a few text messages.

Never wait 30 minutes for a date.

Pick a place which has a good view of the entry from the parking lot. Show up early and wait for her to arrive, THEN go in. If she doesn't show, don't go in.

Whatever you do, don't go to a private residence for the first meeting. That's either a catfish or a setup to get yourself into trouble.