"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**FarFarAway** · 03-06-19 13:38

I have a past SB I haven't seen in a couple of years, so I don't have contact info. I do have all her identity IRL, but I think I'd flip her out if I contacted her that way. I saw her show up on SA recently, I am fairly sure. She has very discreet pix. Anyway, she is smart, absolutely stunning, very hot, and great in the sack. I'd love to hook up w. Her again. I don't have a current SA membership, but I have some private pics on the site (not me either, like my public photo, but close). I gave her access to the pics, she read my profile, and replied briefly. I don't think she recognized it as me. I finally get off the dine and get a prepaid card to get my membership so I can contact her. And now I can't find her on the site. I have two unpaid profiles, from which I viewed and favorited her profile, and now I can't see either of them. The message from giving her access to my photos I also can't see. Sadly, I cannot recall the profile name she used, so I can't ask one of you brothers to check if she just blocked me. Any solutions envisioned? Is this the way the site is supposed to work? FFA.

**Geechie Dan** · 03-05-19 14:53

Originally Posted by CoolPix [View Original Post]

I can't wait for your report GD, please, TOFTT! I'd like to see the rest of her body. Looks like she's got a nice rack. I'm generally not into short hair but I would be intrigued by her reaction to a real dick in her kitty.

She sent me a couple of additional pics via text, and the rest of the body looks as good as the rack.

**FarFarAway** · 03-05-19 10:13

Never know if someone like this is on SA. Re Kraft.

**Ernest Ll** · 03-05-19 09:34

Originally Posted by DogBert77 [View Original Post]

Thanks, Ernie. Do you know if an Amex Bluebird has your name printed on it? I understand some hotels won't let you use a gift card or a debit card without a name that matches your I'd for the deposit. Apparently you can buy the Bluebird at Walmart and then add value at the register. It seems unlikely that a physical card purchased off the shelf like this could have you name on it.

Has your name on the card. They give you a temp card to start.

**CoolPix** · 03-04-19 18:59

Originally Posted by GeechieDan [View Original Post]

Anyone with intel? I've been texting with her and she's DTF.

https://www.seeking.com/member/552ca...4-19babcc4fa8e

I can't wait for your report GD, please, TOFTT! I'd like to see the rest of her body. Looks like she's got a nice rack. I'm generally not into short hair but I would be intrigued by her reaction to a real dick in her kitty.

**FarFarAway** · 03-04-19 18:13

Originally Posted by ErnestLl [View Original Post]

Offers what you describe. You can load it with cash by visiting WalMart -- not sure if that is practical for you. Otherwise, it means linking it to a bank account.

Yes, I mentioned the AMEX reloadable debit card earlier, and it is called Bluebird. I could reload it at a CVS pharmacy, those are more frequent than WalMart. It does have your real name on it, so you can maybe misspell it with your hotel reservation and at checkin, to try to keep UTR. They permit an online-only statement, etc. But you have to be able to get mail to get yours.

**DogBert77** · 03-04-19 16:43

Originally Posted by ErnestLl [View Original Post]

Offers what you describe. You can load it with cash by visiting WalMart -- not sure if that is practical for you. Otherwise, it means linking it to a bank account.

Thanks, Ernie. Do you know if an Amex Bluebird has your name printed on it? I understand some hotels won't let you use a gift card or a debit card without a name that matches your I'd for the deposit. Apparently you can buy the Bluebird at Walmart and then add value at the register. It seems unlikely that a physical card purchased off the shelf like this could have you name on it.

**Ernest Ll** · 03-04-19 10:11

Originally Posted by DogBert77 [View Original Post]

I have seen signs on the desk at at least a couple of hotels that said debit or credit card is required for check in, and I have asked to pay a cash deposit at a couple of others and been turned down. I tend to patronize fairly nice hotels that are usually part of a chain. The independent places in my area are not really the image that I want to project, plus I live in a large metropolitan area and range over a pretty wide area to get the delectable young pussy I crave. So its not really practical to patronize just one place where I can work out a cash deposit. The chains seem to have pretty well-defined policies on this. I don't give a shit what the desk clerk thinks about me, and doubt that he thinks about it all. I just want to get in the room quickly and without the desk clerk having to hunt down the manager, ask for an exception, maybe ask me questions, etc.

I do have the SB book the room if I have seen her before, and that has worked just fine. But I like to keep refreshing the rotation list, as I am sure most of us do, and it just seems incredibly awkward to ask a new, never before been to FC with me, SB to do this. A lot of the ones I really want are sort of naive, and may never have checked into a hotel themselves before. I want to get them into the FC as smoothly as possible, and fuck them without throwing up any additional roadblocks.

So I think I need to get a debit card with my name on it to use for the deposit, which I guess means a re-loadable one. Someone mentioned an American Express debit card. Like thoughts on that. I want something widely accepted, and to minimize fees if possible. I have great credit but don't want any statements coming to house (should be easy to avoid with paperless option) and also want to avoid a credit inquiry that my wife might see later. I have no experience with debit cards and would like recommendations.

Offers what you describe. You can load it with cash by visiting WalMart -- not sure if that is practical for you. Otherwise, it means linking it to a bank account.

**Geechie Dan** · 03-02-19 23:27

Anyone with intel? I've been texting with her and she's DTF.

https://www.seeking.com/member/552ca...4-19babcc4fa8e

**Geechie Dan** · 03-02-19 14:55

Ok, so I have this thing for Asian women. About a month ago I saw a profile on SA for a 20 something Asian lady. Her pics looked promising even though I couldn't tell which part of Asia she was from. I sent her a message and didn't hear from her. Two weeks later I sent her another message. She eventually responded and we started texting privately. Turns out she's from an area close to India. We set up a meet and greet. Hot as hell best describes her. Petite frame with curves in the right places. After the meet and greet we made plans to meet.

Fast forward to today. We get lunch and come back to my place. Get to the FC, the clothes come off and she's just as luscious unclothed. Oh that ass! She wasn't shy about getting on the mic and the skills were good. Tried her in a 69 and then banged here in mish, while she moaned nicely. Nothing like a tight bodied 20 something hottie moaning while you're bangin' her.

Her allowance request was a little more than I'm accustomed to it worth it in my opinion.

Moral to this story, keep trying even if they don't initially respond. Secondly, there are hot ones out there that don't have GPS. And most importantly, especially for you younger guys, open a door or two for the ladies sometimes. She mentioned that she was impressed that I opened the car door for her when we went to lunch. Sometimes it's the little things that impress.

**EvilTmp** · 03-02-19 14:08

Speaking of experiments, has anyone here ever listed "church-goer" or "religious" in their profile? I wonder if being a believer would help or hinder in the bowl. Just a thought.

**EvilTmp** · 03-02-19 14:03

It's clear she's not really into you (or maybe older guys). I'm assuming she's not a virgin and has had sex before. Sounds like she's ready to ditch you at any point along the way, with the fake excuses and last minute changes.

It's definitely an interesting project and while she might have some good qualities, going to the FC is what most (ok, make that all) guys want. It's ok since you have a couple of sure things going but I would not put too much energy or hope into this one. My guess is she'll take the hundred once or twice more but then will feel 'too much pressure' to do something she's not into at all. Please keep us updated.

Originally Posted by DrSummer [View Original Post]

Few of you asked an update on my platonic girl experiment. Here is the update.

Background: 19 yes old cute girl who says platonic only and said "no sex" during chatting and at the first meet up (but open for some 'fooling around). I am trying this as an experiment to see if I can convert her to go to FC. Difficult task I know. But, I have 3 regular SB's in rotation, this is just a side project.

Week 1: First meet for a coffee. Good connection. Made plans for a date in a week.
Stay safe guys, and I will update.
......
Dr. S.

**Telcova** · 03-02-19 11:40

Originally Posted by Statecho [View Original Post]

Hey guys,

This is the question has beening lingering around my head recenrtly. Is that possible to re negotiate the allowance amount after FC visit?

For example, say you agreed with 300 per date for first date, but after the session found her performance less than expected and not want to cont to offer 300 per date, can you re-negotiate a lower allowance with SB? How do you approach this that it doesn't hurt the feelings and chemistry BTW you and the SB.

I have lowered the allowance multiple times after the first meeting. One SB, I started at 250, now at 200 for 3 rounds. Once you are a known entity to them, some risk is off the table and that is worth it to some in their head. For setting up the second meeting, I just texted, are you ok with 200 this time, and after she said yes it became the unspoken norm.

**NineGuy919** · 03-02-19 10:55

Originally Posted by PartyTimeGuy [View Original Post]

I was transfixed by this stripper, who teased me expertly and unmercifully, I knew I had to have her. Some might take exception with this method of selection but I often find it a preferred method of SB recruitment. See my previous post on the subject. http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...51#post4140951.

What makes a SB anyway? A few items most certainly include: young, quality material, needs to be wooed (somewhat amateur?) and total GFE for numerous trysts. In my experience a good SB isn't going to drop her panties for just anybody. Maybe she was a hell of an actress but it took a strong effort to convince her. Maybe she was a hell of an actress outside the club too but it was most decidedly a GFE beginning to end. She is now a regular and maybe on her way to becoming an ATF.

This girl loves to pose for the camera. Says she had some modeling experience and I believe it. She won't pose totally nude; I thought that unusual for a stripper, but ces la vie. In bed she is energetic, loud, wild and insatiable, She is incredibly tight. Fucking her pussy is like fucking her ass, and I relish both as well as her moist deep throat. She often sucks on a cough drop to give my cock a menthol blast. I highly recommend it. My absolute favorite, however, is watching that perfect ass bouncing on me reverse cowgirl as she squeals in delight.

Life IS good my brothers.

I am beyond proud of you brother she is a quality find! I am going to take your suggested hunting grounds and see if I can also find a trophy.

**FarFarAway** · 03-02-19 10:42

Originally Posted by DrSummer [View Original Post]

Typically it will not go well, but I have a couple of occasions I was able to do it. With the right girl under right circumstances. It is "Negotiation 101". Start with a position of strength, and don't make the other party feel loosing (instead make them feel gaining something).

Lets be real. These girls are dong this for money, not because they want to fuck old guys. If the deal feels right, they will accept it. As long as you approach it logically and don't make them feel insulted, it is possible. Never tell them whatever you give her is not worth. But, make sure they understand who is in control, it is you. I would never tell them I am not able to afford it because I lost the job or whatever. Don't show a weakness to these girls. Almost none of these girls are sympathetic towards daddies. The minute you are out of money, they will disappear. Treat them well, make connection, but keep in mind they will walk away from you the second they find a better deal.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

W / the girls you target, I don't doubt that is so. However, there are plenty of girls on the site who absolutely want old guys, even as old as me (60's). They have their kinks too. If you'd like to have an ongoing arrangement w / PYTs, those are the ones you have to hunt down. They are typically submissive, w / daddy issues, and after a while you find out how to pick those out from their profiles. Typically sparse, they may say they are shy. Don't go for those who say kinky or submissive.