"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[EvilTmp]

It's clear she's not really into you (or maybe older guys). I'm assuming she's not a virgin and has had sex before. Sounds like she's ready to ditch you at any point along the way, with the fake excuses and last minute changes.

It's definitely an interesting project and while she might have some good qualities, going to the FC is what most (ok, make that all) guys want. It's ok since you have a couple of sure things going but I would not put too much energy or hope into this one. My guess is she'll take the hundred once or twice more but then will feel 'too much pressure' to do something she's not into at all. Please keep us updated.

Few of you asked an update on my platonic girl experiment. Here is the update.

Background: 19 yes old cute girl who says platonic only and said "no sex" during chatting and at the first meet up (but open for some 'fooling around). I am trying this as an experiment to see if I can convert her to go to FC. Difficult task I know. But, I have 3 regular SB's in rotation, this is just a side project.

Week 1: First meet for a coffee. Good connection. Made plans for a date in a week.
Stay safe guys, and I will update.
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Dr. S.

[Telcova]

Hey guys,

This is the question has beening lingering around my head recenrtly. Is that possible to re negotiate the allowance amount after FC visit?

For example, say you agreed with 300 per date for first date, but after the session found her performance less than expected and not want to cont to offer 300 per date, can you re-negotiate a lower allowance with SB? How do you approach this that it doesn't hurt the feelings and chemistry BTW you and the SB.

I have lowered the allowance multiple times after the first meeting. One SB, I started at 250, now at 200 for 3 rounds. Once you are a known entity to them, some risk is off the table and that is worth it to some in their head. For setting up the second meeting, I just texted, are you ok with 200 this time, and after she said yes it became the unspoken norm.

[NineGuy919]

I was transfixed by this stripper, who teased me expertly and unmercifully, I knew I had to have her. Some might take exception with this method of selection but I often find it a preferred method of SB recruitment. See my previous post on the subject. http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...51#post4140951.

What makes a SB anyway? A few items most certainly include: young, quality material, needs to be wooed (somewhat amateur?) and total GFE for numerous trysts. In my experience a good SB isn't going to drop her panties for just anybody. Maybe she was a hell of an actress but it took a strong effort to convince her. Maybe she was a hell of an actress outside the club too but it was most decidedly a GFE beginning to end. She is now a regular and maybe on her way to becoming an ATF.

This girl loves to pose for the camera. Says she had some modeling experience and I believe it. She won't pose totally nude; I thought that unusual for a stripper, but ces la vie. In bed she is energetic, loud, wild and insatiable, She is incredibly tight. Fucking her pussy is like fucking her ass, and I relish both as well as her moist deep throat. She often sucks on a cough drop to give my cock a menthol blast. I highly recommend it. My absolute favorite, however, is watching that perfect ass bouncing on me reverse cowgirl as she squeals in delight.

Life IS good my brothers.

I am beyond proud of you brother she is a quality find! I am going to take your suggested hunting grounds and see if I can also find a trophy.

[FarFarAway]

Typically it will not go well, but I have a couple of occasions I was able to do it. With the right girl under right circumstances. It is "Negotiation 101". Start with a position of strength, and don't make the other party feel loosing (instead make them feel gaining something).

Lets be real. These girls are dong this for money, not because they want to fuck old guys. If the deal feels right, they will accept it. As long as you approach it logically and don't make them feel insulted, it is possible. Never tell them whatever you give her is not worth. But, make sure they understand who is in control, it is you. I would never tell them I am not able to afford it because I lost the job or whatever. Don't show a weakness to these girls. Almost none of these girls are sympathetic towards daddies. The minute you are out of money, they will disappear. Treat them well, make connection, but keep in mind they will walk away from you the second they find a better deal.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

W / the girls you target, I don't doubt that is so. However, there are plenty of girls on the site who absolutely want old guys, even as old as me (60's). They have their kinks too. If you'd like to have an ongoing arrangement w / PYTs, those are the ones you have to hunt down. They are typically submissive, w / daddy issues, and after a while you find out how to pick those out from their profiles. Typically sparse, they may say they are shy. Don't go for those who say kinky or submissive.

[DrSummer]

Few of you asked an update on my platonic girl experiment. Here is the update.

Background: 19 yes old cute girl who says platonic only and said "no sex" during chatting and at the first meet up (but open for some 'fooling around). I am trying this as an experiment to see if I can convert her to go to FC. Difficult task I know. But, I have 3 regular SB's in rotation, this is just a side project.

Week 1: First meet for a coffee. Good connection. Made plans for a date in a week.

Week 2: Made plans to go see a movie. Texts me about 2 hrs prior to the agreed time that she couldn't make it as she had to babysit her sister's kids. But, promised a date next week.

Week 3: Made plans for a movie. She showed up. I got last raw seats. But the place was crowded. In to about 10 min to movie, we started some fun. She allowed touching almost anywhere over the cloths. I actually felt she was wet. I didn't try going under the cloths. There were people on either side of our seats. We did lots of deep kissing. That's the extent I could go that day. Gift was 100.

Week 4: I proposed a dinner at her favorite restaurant. She showed up. Had nice dinner. After, the dinner I asked if we could spend about 10 to 20 min "alone time" in my car at a quiet place. She said she was in a hurry to get back home. I didn't push. Gift was 0 (I was testing her and sending a message), but of course paid for the dinner.

Week 5: Typically she texts right after she gets home. After the dinner, she didn't text me for about 2 days. May be she was not happy about the lack of allowance after the dinner. But, she texted to propose a movie again. Set for the Saturday. The morning on the date, she texts and postpones the date for Monday night. I was OK. She showed up Monday night. Two of us were the only people in the theater for that show. Things happened quicker than first time. Lots of deep kissing and cuddling. However, she didn't let me reach that area claiming she was on period (may be true, she let me touch last time). I was reaching to her boobs over the shirt, she pulled the shirt and bra up, let me touch and suck. I was trying to get her to touch my Jr. She was not that enthusiastic. After a while I jokingly told her a about the possibility of blue balls, and if she could help me out. She agreed to a hand job, but didn't want "stuff" on her hand as there was not place to wash. I pulled a condom from my pocket and she gave me hand job to completion. Asked about a blow job, she said not sure, may be next time. It was better than expected. The gift was 100.

We have been chatting after that and making plans for next meet. She has very desirable qualities I like from a SB. Very clean, and always smells great. No drama, no sob stories yet. Doesn't give the vibe of desperation or needy. Never complained about allowance or asked about it. But, I know she is in for the allowance as any other SB is. Now she knows that what I am after and she seems to be going along. I still am skeptical if I could hit the home run with her. May be not at least in the near future. But, want to keep it going.

You veterans, any suggestions what my next move should be? Am I going too fast or slow?

Stay safe guys, and I will update.

Dr. S.

We have been chatting all week long last week and had the movie date set for Sunday. She has been very enthusiastic. About 2 hours prior to meeting time, I got a text saying she had to reschedule. She had to babysit her sisters kids as her sister had to attend something unexpectedly. She did tell me when we met first that she sometimes babysit her sisters kids, so this may be true. Hard to say. But she promises me a movie date coming Saturday. I haven't still given up although my enthusiasm is somewhat down.

I logged on to her profile today and noted that last time she logged was 5 days ago. Prior to that I noticed she was on there almost every day. I did ask her to show me her drivers licence before going on the date (her profile says 19). She agreed to that. Not sure if it threw her off. Anyway, lets see how it goes this Saturday. I will update.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

[DrSummer]

Typically it will not go well, but I have a couple of occasions I was able to do it. With the right girl under right circumstances. It is "Negotiation 101". Start with a position of strength, and don't make the other party feel loosing (instead make them feel gaining something). Here are the two:

1. She is a 19 yr old mother of one who wanted to fuck behind her husband's back to earn some spending money. First date was at her house. Couple of rounds, spent about 1. 5 hrs. Gave my usual gift of 200. She was little bigger than expected, decent experience, but I had better options at that time for 200. She could only see me during the day, and had to get back home by 5:30 before her hubby comes home. I couldn't take time off from my work regularly during day time. But, there was 30 min gap where she could come to my house, spend 30 min, go pick her son up from day care and be home by 5:30. I proposed 100 for 30 min, and told her I could see her more often under that scenario and at the end she gets more per week. She agreed. It ended up us seeing each other only once a week, she never questioned the allowance of 100 again. Most of the time we spent about an hour, and the experience was no different than first one (actually it got better over time) . It went on for about 4 months until she moved out of state.

2. A 20 yr old single girl with busy schedule, but wanted to earn some extra money. First date at a hotel, second at my house. Couple of hours, couple of rounds. 200. She doesn't have a car so I have to drive 45 min to pick her up, come to my house, spend 2 hrs, drive 45 min to drop her back. I noted that she was struggling to find more than 3 hrs per date. I proposed 30 to 40 min car date near her house for 100. It would save her time. She agreed. I still see her on and off. Car date 100 (FS), and if I feel like it, have a longer date at home for 200. Either case, she has always been very enthusiastic.

Lets be real. These girls are dong this for money, not because they want to fuck old guys. If the deal feels right, they will accept it. As long as you approach it logically and don't make them feel insulted, it is possible. Never tell them whatever you give her is not worth. But, make sure they understand who is in control, it is you. I would never tell them I am not able to afford it because I lost the job or whatever. Don't show a weakness to these girls. Almost none of these girls are sympathetic towards daddies. The minute you are out of money, they will disappear. Treat them well, make connection, but keep in mind they will walk away from you the second they find a better deal.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

Hey guys,

This is the question has beening lingering around my head recenrtly. Is that possible to re negotiate the allowance amount after FC visit?

For example, say you agreed with 300 per date for first date, but after the session found her performance less than expected and not want to cont to offer 300 per date, can you re-negotiate a lower allowance with SB? How do you approach this that it doesn't hurt the feelings and chemistry BTW you and the SB.

[PartyTimeGuy]

I was transfixed by this stripper, who teased me expertly and unmercifully, I knew I had to have her. Some might take exception with this method of selection but I often find it a preferred method of SB recruitment. See my previous post on the subject. http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...51#post4140951.

What makes a SB anyway? A few items most certainly include: young, quality material, needs to be wooed (somewhat amateur?) and total GFE for numerous trysts. In my experience a good SB isn't going to drop her panties for just anybody. Maybe she was a hell of an actress but it took a strong effort to convince her. Maybe she was a hell of an actress outside the club too but it was most decidedly a GFE beginning to end. She is now a regular and maybe on her way to becoming an ATF.

This girl loves to pose for the camera. Says she had some modeling experience and I believe it. She won't pose totally nude; I thought that unusual for a stripper, but ces la vie. In bed she is energetic, loud, wild and insatiable, She is incredibly tight. Fucking her pussy is like fucking her ass, and I relish both as well as her moist deep throat. She often sucks on a cough drop to give my cock a menthol blast. I highly recommend it. My absolute favorite, however, is watching that perfect ass bouncing on me reverse cowgirl as she squeals in delight.

Life IS good my brothers.

[PartyTimeGuy]

Alright, let's talk logistics. I currently have a large SUV (think Tahoe / Suburban) that has been a real benefit for me. In essence it's been a FC on wheels and my car has seen more T&A than should be legally allowed. There's nothing easier than moving into the backseat after a 30 min coffee date to evaluate some nubile debutante. Now I'm thinking of trading that in for a car from a respectable german maker but a car, not suv. How do you guys with cars do it? Am I shooting myself in the foot by losing this convenient debauchery-mobile?

If you want a real shaggin wagon get a conversion van. Plenty of room for any sexual activity you wish as you watch porn on the overhead screen and suck down a beer from the fridge, Need a bed? Just push down the back seats in most models and you have a full sized one.

I had a conversion van for many years. Nailed many pretty young SBs in it. Absolutely ideal for SW trolling too and stripper banging if you are so inclined. Convenient as hell and you can save a lot on hotel bills.

[Geechie Dan]

Alright, let's talk logistics. I currently have a large SUV (think Tahoe / Suburban) that has been a real benefit for me. In essence it's been a FC on wheels and my car has seen more T&A than should be legally allowed. There's nothing easier than moving into the backseat after a 30 min coffee date to evaluate some nubile debutante. Now I'm thinking of trading that in for a car from a respectable german maker but a car, not suv. How do you guys with cars do it? Am I shooting myself in the foot by losing this convenient debauchery-mobile?

IMHO, you're living the dream. I'd keep the FC on wheels. If it's a matter of gas mileage and you're tired of always filling up the big gas guzzler, is it possible for you to get a second more economical vehicle and keep the bigger SUV for recreation? Yes I think you're hurting your hobbying options. You can't always get a hotel room.

[EvilTmp]

Alright, let's talk logistics. I currently have a large SUV (think Tahoe / Suburban) that has been a real benefit for me. In essence it's been a FC on wheels and my car has seen more T&A than should be legally allowed. There's nothing easier than moving into the backseat after a 30 min coffee date to evaluate some nubile debutante. Now I'm thinking of trading that in for a car from a respectable german maker but a car, not suv. How do you guys with cars do it? Am I shooting myself in the foot by losing this convenient debauchery-mobile?

[Spiderrva]

I do agree. If this happened to me I would just pay what I offered, as long as they provided full service. I would then make up an excuse to not see her anymore. My fear would be that she starts bad mouthing you to other SB like we do here on the board. It's hard enough to get a reliable SB I don't need things to be harder.

Its not just bad mouthing, they communicate through social media to warn each other. I'm pretty sure I got put on the list. The good thing is that its revised daily, so if you piss one of them off and lay low for a while, you're good. The new girls find out about SD sites from their friends who are already on there. The old girls tell the new girls about all of the vets in detail. They update each other when we change our profiles too. I thought I'd change my profile, but that just made things way worse. Once I laid low for a little while and got back on, no one knew who I was. Happy Hunting!

[EasyeOne]

Anybody have experience with her? This is like the third profile I've seen. Asking for 3 $$. https://www.seeking.com/member/a9690...6-24d47fc07384.

[TheHobbyLobby]

I've been in that position before, and like you, I couldn't think of any way to say "you're not worth as much as I thought you were" that wouldn't be taken as an insult. I didn't want her to feel insulted, and I expected her company would be less enjoyable after an insult like that, too.

So, I just told her things had changed at work and I wouldn't be able to afford to see her anymore. I wasn't trying to renegotiate, I was breaking it off. A day or two later, she came back offering to cut the rate in half, so I agreed, and she wasn't insulted since it was her idea.

I'd seen her a few times before this happened, though, not just one time, and that may make a difference.

I do agree. If this happened to me I would just pay what I offered, as long as they provided full service. I would then make up an excuse to not see her anymore. My fear would be that she starts bad mouthing you to other SB like we do here on the board. It's hard enough to get a reliable SB I don't need things to be harder.

[DogBert77]

You pay for the stay thru the hotels.com site using the branded gift card. If they ask for a deposit or card for incidentals, give them cash.

Again, you can usually get any SB who is not a student to book the room in her name, give her the gift card to cover and warn her they might swipe a card for deposit. YOU are taking the risk she flakes, not her so she should not complain too much. I've done this with nearly a dozen gals. No real issues. If they don't have a credit or debit card with a $100 to their name, I'd be worried about bigger risks from desparation. Plus, if she has half a brain, she'll understand nothing is being charged.

I have seen signs on the desk at at least a couple of hotels that said debit or credit card is required for check in, and I have asked to pay a cash deposit at a couple of others and been turned down. I tend to patronize fairly nice hotels that are usually part of a chain. The independent places in my area are not really the image that I want to project, plus I live in a large metropolitan area and range over a pretty wide area to get the delectable young pussy I crave. So its not really practical to patronize just one place where I can work out a cash deposit. The chains seem to have pretty well-defined policies on this. I don't give a shit what the desk clerk thinks about me, and doubt that he thinks about it all. I just want to get in the room quickly and without the desk clerk having to hunt down the manager, ask for an exception, maybe ask me questions, etc.

I do have the SB book the room if I have seen her before, and that has worked just fine. But I like to keep refreshing the rotation list, as I am sure most of us do, and it just seems incredibly awkward to ask a new, never before been to FC with me, SB to do this. A lot of the ones I really want are sort of naive, and may never have checked into a hotel themselves before. I want to get them into the FC as smoothly as possible, and fuck them without throwing up any additional roadblocks.

So I think I need to get a debit card with my name on it to use for the deposit, which I guess means a re-loadable one. Someone mentioned an American Express debit card. Like thoughts on that. I want something widely accepted, and to minimize fees if possible. I have great credit but don't want any statements coming to house (should be easy to avoid with paperless option) and also want to avoid a credit inquiry that my wife might see later. I have no experience with debit cards and would like recommendations.

[UKnowWho]

For example, say you agreed with 300 per date for first date, but after the session found her performance less than expected and not want to cont to offer 300 per date, can you re-negotiate a lower allowance with SB? How do you approach this that it doesn't hurt the feelings and chemistry BTW you and the SB.

I've been in that position before, and like you, I couldn't think of any way to say "you're not worth as much as I thought you were" that wouldn't be taken as an insult. I didn't want her to feel insulted, and I expected her company would be less enjoyable after an insult like that, too.

So, I just told her things had changed at work and I wouldn't be able to afford to see her anymore. I wasn't trying to renegotiate, I was breaking it off. A day or two later, she came back offering to cut the rate in half, so I agreed, and she wasn't insulted since it was her idea.

I'd seen her a few times before this happened, though, not just one time, and that may make a difference.