"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[TheHobbyLobby]

So I am currently on some civvy sites. I am trying to date. I also hobby until then. I just found out that three of my former SB are now in relationships. I wonder, how the hell do SB get into relationships and I am still singel LOL. I wonder if their SO would still date them if they found out their GF used to be escorts. LOL.

[FarFarAway]

To curry favor w / a POT. Be sure to send a 'Christmas card' to any girl you've got any interest in or had a good time with. You can dig up Christmas scenes that are animated gifs on the web, they go fine via text.

[HollywoodGuy]

Got it. That is exactly what I wanted to know. My profile is a little more 'nice guy' than yours I'd wager, but I can definitely identify those other items. I also don't have my profile available to search, too risky. I think submissive girls are so common on the site, I always inquire at some point, especially the M&G, if 'you are the type of woman who likes her man to be in the lead'. It implies what I want but isn't so blatant that a non-sub would be offended. Often I get the reply 'oh, yes, I'm submissive'.

I learned a new term recently. ABG is asian baby girl, they're subs.

Princesses and baby girls. Gotta love "em.

[FarFarAway]

Your profile should definitely lean towards an easy identification that you are dominant and prefer submissive, but without ever using those words. Half the girls that respond will be doing so just for that reason. Thats probably an easy place to start. I have found there is never a way to shortcut the interviewing process. Thats when the real truth about who they really are will be revealed. Generally speaking, stay away from the ones the talk about how kinky they are. Thats just a way to jack up the allowance. The ones that use words like shy or quiet. The ones with short profiles. The ones that just have normal pictures. They are not really going to flaunt it. The ones saying they are looking for new experiences, a real connection, treated like a princess, use words like baby girl. Its far too nuanced to write a book on it.

Your first trip to the FC will tell you all you need to know. Thats when you just put it all out there. And they will either be receptive or they won't.

Got it. That is exactly what I wanted to know. My profile is a little more 'nice guy' than yours I'd wager, but I can definitely identify those other items. I also don't have my profile available to search, too risky. I think submissive girls are so common on the site, I always inquire at some point, especially the M&G, if 'you are the type of woman who likes her man to be in the lead'. It implies what I want but isn't so blatant that a non-sub would be offended. Often I get the reply 'oh, yes, I'm submissive'.

I learned a new term recently. ABG is asian baby girl, they're subs.

[HollywoodGuy]

I edited your post for brevity. Are there tells you can use to identify this in POTs? Either in their profile, or a question you can ask in your early messaging on SA?

Your profile should definitely lean towards an easy identification that you are dominant and prefer submissive, but without ever using those words. Half the girls that respond will be doing so just for that reason. Thats probably an easy place to start. I have found there is never a way to shortcut the interviewing process. Thats when the real truth about who they really are will be revealed. Generally speaking, stay away from the ones the talk about how kinky they are. Thats just a way to jack up the allowance. The ones that use words like shy or quiet. The ones with short profiles. The ones that just have normal pictures. They are not really going to flaunt it. The ones saying they are looking for new experiences, a real connection, treated like a princess, use words like baby girl. Its far too nuanced to write a book on it.

Your first trip to the FC will tell you all you need to know. Thats when you just put it all out there. And they will either be receptive or they won't.

[Ernest Ll]

College aged girls have had to deal with this Generation-Z syndrome where the guys they know fall into specific buckets -- they guys they meet either grew up with "special snowflake syndrome", or they are an outright drug-addled moron. Add to that the "gender confusion" movement, where young males are penalized by the media for behaving like men or any other display of true masculinity. Movies, social media, even modern video games, more and more, are starting to portray women as not only the intellectually superior gender, but also the PHYSICALLY superior gender (I'll come back to this). Producers of this media are increasingly gay males (who could give a fuck one way or the other as long as there is enough shock value to sell tickets), so they create this fictitious image of bad-ass women, who go around karate-kicking and back-flipping their way out of fights with men carrying assault rifles.

While that kind of shit might strike a chord with a 12 year old girl, an 18-22 whose hormones and sex drive are starting to really kick in has usually had enough. I said I would come back to the statement above. While all of that sci-fi media portrayal shit is great for kids, these girls (who, as we know, DO mature emotionally faster than males) get to a point where the fiction isn't good enough anymore and they want something real. I hate to sound like Charlie Sheen here (LOL). But honestly I think the Gen-X male is "winning" from all of this if they possess the right characteristics.


So basically, the next time you unload your wad deep into some college girl, take a moment to step back and thank the proponents of the ERA movement of the 70's. I know I can say without question, their actions, more than anyone, have blessed my life with unlimited access to prime quality pussy.

The attempts by popular culture an the media to make Toxic Masculinity the Scourge of the source of all planetary ills is certainly clearing the field of age appropriate competitors. Another reason SBs turn to the lifestyle, they want to deal with a real man. And its not just the young ones. I had a 40 yo MILF mom of two, who managed a store for a national brand tell me. "All day long, I'm mom or the boss and everyone is always after me to do something or decide something. Sometimes I just want to let go and let someone else decide things for me and just let myself go and escape responsibility by being someone's fuck toy".

Whether its Daddy issues or submissive nature or desire to experiment, POTs pretty much pre-screen themselves as open to hair pulling, spanking, dirty talk and much of kinkdom.

And yes. So many have Daddy issues -- loser or absent father, adopted girls, products of ugly divorce.

And let's not forget to thank Bill Clinton for telling young women every where its cool to blow the older more powerful successful guys. Just don't let the world find out. Google Dennis Miller bit on the Lewinsky scandal and its easily adaptable to charming an on the fence SB. Basically -- its not often you get the chance to lodge in your noggin the johnson of some guy who can open doors to a world you never imagined experiencing. So I say go for it.

[FarFarAway]

I am currently at a factor of 3.5 times the age of some of the newer SB's. If I lived in Nevada it would be 4 x their age. Forget about the clueless losers (certainly a factor). A certain type of young girl is not going to see a 25-30 year old male as a Daddy figure, but just as a somewhat older guy.

While our culture of absentee fathers is a factor, look for the girls that grew up with just a bad father, the type that doesn't really understand or support them (even though they are physically present). They have been trying to get their attention for years. Many of the girls that have had absentee fathers have already created the coping skills needed to help counter the loss of guidance & approval. But the ones with the present but negligent fathers never have and they are still vainly trying to get that support.

When you have achieved what is know as "transference", you will have everything you are looking for (if what you crave is a good little girl that wants to please her Daddy). For me this is a lifestyle. I only live in the DD/lg world. While this may not be for everyone, I believe that certain aspects of it are what most of the guys on this thread are looking for..

I edited your post for brevity. Are there tells you can use to identify this in POTs? Either in their profile, or a question you can ask in your early messaging on SA?

[Walruscl]

Seems my poor judgement from a few weeks ago in agreeing to hook up with the rather desperate 30-something has resolved itself. She in this weird mode this week of complaining that her bank balance was negative, when could we meet, etc. When I told her that Saturday night (tonight) was the best I could do (and at that point I was mostly agreeing out of charity-not a good dynamic), I outlined a pretty reasonable, typical SD / SB date. She responded by asking for more since it would be a longer date, and I held my line on the financials. So she then said instead we could keep it down to 1-1/2 hours. At that point I stopped, and later that night when I knew she'd be asleep I texted her that I was sorry but it wasn't working for me.

The weird thing was while this was happening, she was showing that she hadn't been online for a couple of days on SA. You'd think with that level of desperation she'd be digging like crazy. But three days later no response, and in the interim I unfavorited her and deleted our message trail. An SA search that normally would have her appear in the list now shows nothing, even back two weeks. Either I've been blocked or she gave up. Fine with me either way.

The GPS girl I hit does show up in that search, and she hasn't been online for three days. I guess the guys aren't beating down her door to pay her non-negotiable allowance after all. It just kills me that these girls don't understand the bird-in-the-hand rule. I would have been ok with 3, but only as an experiment, as even a reduced-rate GPS girl is probably not going to be a bucket-list experience. But she wouldn't budge, so she's got $0 coming in. And she hasn't tried to contact me at all, which is fine as I'd prefer to avoid the hassle of explicitly cutting them off.

I'm learning to read my own reactions to these situations. Both of these had me stressed out while I was working them, and once I cut them off I felt a huge relief. Which is how I know I did the right thing.

[HollywoodGuy]

I can't tell you the number of 20 somethings who are quite happy to tell me they are comfortable getting naked with a man 2 x their age because men under 30 are clueless losers.

I am currently at a factor of 3.5 times the age of some of the newer SB's. If I lived in Nevada it would be 4 x their age. Forget about the clueless losers (certainly a factor). A certain type of young girl is not going to see a 25-30 year old male as a Daddy figure, but just as a somewhat older guy.

You will find that the older you get the easier it will be to attract these girls assuming you have the prerequisite characteristics they are looking for. Take care of your looks and be in control of basically everything. Reward them when they do what they are told and punish them when they don't. The best girls will always be good, so you will have to punish them on a regular basis (mostly in the FC) just to satisfy their need to be subservient and to get the praise they so desperately crave.

This may be physical or emotional (and I am not talking about pimp style beatings here). It's about becoming a loving Dom.

While our culture of absentee fathers is a factor, look for the girls that grew up with just a bad father, the type that doesn't really understand or support them (even though they are physically present). They have been trying to get their attention for years. Many of the girls that have had absentee fathers have already created the coping skills needed to help counter the loss of guidance & approval. But the ones with the present but negligent fathers never have and they are still vainly trying to get that support.

When you have achieved what is know as "transference", you will have everything you are looking for (if what you crave is a good little girl that wants to please her Daddy). For me this is a lifestyle. I only live in the DD/lg world. While this may not be for everyone, I believe that certain aspects of it are what most of the guys on this thread are looking for.

Do I fuck UTR's and just regular vanilla type girls? Well yes I do, (especially if they are curious about the lifestyle). But the best sex and most satisfying relationships will always keep me searching for the next "new little girl".

[Walruscl]

Yes, loving the FWB + dash of romance dynamic with my SB. Just had a romantic pre-Christmas date: fondue in front of a roaring fireplace, champagne, Christmas music in the background, and some carefully-chosen gifts for her under the tree. Followed by a Christmas movie then an overnight for cuddles / playtime, with a leisurely morning before seeing her off until next week's date.

I did an unusual move and used my DSLR to get a picture of my SB that night. We were sitting on the floor using the coffee table to eat so that we could be next to the fireplace. So my view during dinner was of her 3' away, warmly side-lit by the fire, with the Christmas tree behind her as a perfect framing / backdrop. Took a couple of tries in LightRoom to balance the warmth of the firelight versus making her skin tone look accurate / flattering, but I ended up with a really nice memento. She was very appreciative when I texted her the results.

So now here I am again, with a gorgeous picture that I can't show anyone. Even though I trust some of the senior members here, I simply won't break my rule of not putting any SB pics out electronically. Even these past few posts were a bit of oversharing, but it was quite the high so it was difficult to resist.

Anyway, a bit of a rhetorical post, but it was on my mind.

[HawkJock]

College aged girls have had to deal with this Generation-Z syndrome where the guys they know fall into specific buckets -- they guys they meet either grew up with "special snowflake syndrome", or they are an outright drug-addled moron. Add to that the "gender confusion" movement, where young males are penalized by the media for behaving like men or any other display of true masculinity. Movies, social media, even modern video games, more and more, are starting to portray women as not only the intellectually superior gender, but also the PHYSICALLY superior gender (I'll come back to this). Producers of this media are increasingly gay males (who could give a fuck one way or the other as long as there is enough shock value to sell tickets), so they create this fictitious image of bad-ass women, who go around karate-kicking and back-flipping their way out of fights with men carrying assault rifles.

While that kind of shit might strike a chord with a 12 year old girl, an 18-22 whose hormones and sex drive are starting to really kick in has usually had enough. I said I would come back to the statement above. While all of that sci-fi media portrayal shit is great for kids, these girls (who, as we know, DO mature emotionally faster than males) get to a point where the fiction isn't good enough anymore and they want something real. I hate to sound like Charlie Sheen here (LOL). But honestly I think the Gen-X male is "winning" from all of this if they possess the right characteristics.

Not all girls are born SB material. Mileage may vary, but my own observation has been that most SBs have daddy issues of one variety or another. The reason this lifestyle is becoming more prevalent is because the trend seems to be that the population of girls with daddy issues is ever-increasing.

Why is that? Not rocket science. Most of this can be traced back to the Equal Rights Amendment of the 70's. Lots of women back then opposed the movement, because they knew it would disrupt the family unit, resulting in a disruption of society that would ultimately break down the family unit in a way that America would never be able to adequately cope with. But, the ones in favor of the movement ultimately won out, saying society would adjust.

Both sides were right. America adapted to this by accepting the dissolution of traditional family roles as the norm. Fast forward and what is the net effect? More career women that have babies and raise them alone because they can, many of which have broken or non-existent relationships with their father. This creates fertile ground for the birth of enormous amounts of sugar babies, and there is no sign of it letting up any time soon (how could we reverse it, remove women's right to vote or work? LOL). Fundamentally, the girls born out of these conditions will always have a craving for older men. This makes the score -10 points for guys their age, and +10 for guys old enough to represent the father figure they long for. They certainly do sometimes struggle with issues of peer pressure in the college aged range, that makes them want to keep their secret craving private, but once they leave the "school yard gossip" scene and are fully immersed in adulthood (approx 25 years old and up), they no longer even care about this.

So basically, the next time you unload your wad deep into some college girl, take a moment to step back and thank the proponents of the ERA movement of the 70's. I know I can say without question, their actions, more than anyone, have blessed my life with unlimited access to prime quality pussy.

All the above is right!! Travel to Colombia, Panama, Czech, Hungary, Philippines, or any number of countries. The whole SD / SB, there, isn't stigmatized like it is here. It is the norm. Tho, I do contend the whole father figure aspect. I've nailed many upstanding ladies from great families. They are done with dudes their age! Dudes don't know how to open a door, or make reservations, or make plans and tell a lady "I just bought us tickets" for a particular show. The demise of the 20-30 y/o male population has been amazing to my adventures!!

[JZLizard]

I can't tell you the number of 20 somethings who are quite happy to tell me they are comfortable getting naked with a man 2 x their age become men under 30 are clueless losers. USE THIS TO YOUR ADVANTAGE.

College aged girls have had to deal with this Generation-Z syndrome where the guys they know fall into specific buckets -- they guys they meet either grew up with "special snowflake syndrome", or they are an outright drug-addled moron. Add to that the "gender confusion" movement, where young males are penalized by the media for behaving like men or any other display of true masculinity. Movies, social media, even modern video games, more and more, are starting to portray women as not only the intellectually superior gender, but also the PHYSICALLY superior gender (I'll come back to this). Producers of this media are increasingly gay males (who could give a fuck one way or the other as long as there is enough shock value to sell tickets), so they create this fictitious image of bad-ass women, who go around karate-kicking and back-flipping their way out of fights with men carrying assault rifles.

While that kind of shit might strike a chord with a 12 year old girl, an 18-22 whose hormones and sex drive are starting to really kick in has usually had enough. I said I would come back to the statement above. While all of that sci-fi media portrayal shit is great for kids, these girls (who, as we know, DO mature emotionally faster than males) get to a point where the fiction isn't good enough anymore and they want something real. I hate to sound like Charlie Sheen here (LOL). But honestly I think the Gen-X male is "winning" from all of this if they possess the right characteristics.

Not all girls are born SB material. Mileage may vary, but my own observation has been that most SBs have daddy issues of one variety or another. The reason this lifestyle is becoming more prevalent is because the trend seems to be that the population of girls with daddy issues is ever-increasing.

Why is that? Not rocket science. Most of this can be traced back to the Equal Rights Amendment of the 70's. Lots of women back then opposed the movement, because they knew it would disrupt the family unit, resulting in a disruption of society that would ultimately break down the family unit in a way that America would never be able to adequately cope with. But, the ones in favor of the movement ultimately won out, saying society would adjust.

Both sides were right. America adapted to this by accepting the dissolution of traditional family roles as the norm. Fast forward and what is the net effect? More career women that have babies and raise them alone because they can, many of which have broken or non-existent relationships with their father. This creates fertile ground for the birth of enormous amounts of sugar babies, and there is no sign of it letting up any time soon (how could we reverse it, remove women's right to vote or work? LOL). Fundamentally, the girls born out of these conditions will always have a craving for older men. This makes the score -10 points for guys their age, and +10 for guys old enough to represent the father figure they long for. They certainly do sometimes struggle with issues of peer pressure in the college aged range, that makes them want to keep their secret craving private, but once they leave the "school yard gossip" scene and are fully immersed in adulthood (approx 25 years old and up), they no longer even care about this.

So basically, the next time you unload your wad deep into some college girl, take a moment to step back and thank the proponents of the ERA movement of the 70's. I know I can say without question, their actions, more than anyone, have blessed my life with unlimited access to prime quality pussy.

[RappaHannock]

It allows you to cancel auto renew at anytime by clicking on payments under your settings menu. I was off it for a month and it indeed did not auto renew.

Ok great. Thanks.

[JustLonely]

I tried to renew my SA subscription on line today. I chose the 30 day subscription option. But when I got to the end it basically says by the way this is going to be an automatically renewed subscription after thirty days now that we have your cc number. There is no option to opt out. I have always done my renewals by fax and after 30 days it ran out. Has this always been the case? I have no intention of signing up for an auto renewal.

It allows you to cancel auto renew at anytime by clicking on payments under your settings menu. I was off it for a month and it indeed did not auto renew.

[HumanoidX7R]

I tried to renew my SA subscription on line today. I chose the 30 day subscription option. But when I got to the end it basically says by the way this is going to be an automatically renewed subscription after thirty days now that we have your cc number. There is no option to opt out. I have always done my renewals by fax and after 30 days it ran out. Has this always been the case? I have no intention of signing up for an auto renewal.

After you sign back up, just go into your settings and cancel the auto-renewal.