"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[RappaHannock]

I tried to renew my SA subscription on line today. I chose the 30 day subscription option. But when I got to the end it basically says by the way this is going to be an automatically renewed subscription after thirty days now that we have your cc number. There is no option to opt out. I have always done my renewals by fax and after 30 days it ran out. Has this always been the case? I have no intention of signing up for an auto renewal.

[FarFarAway]

For those that state "platonic" I tend to press the issue shortly after moving to text. I usually tell them I'm going to grab a nap and napping is better when done together, or better after being "tucked" in appropriately. Or I tell them I'm jumping in the shower and I could use a hand for those hard to reach areas. Those that are truly platonic (truly virgins) will let you know quickly that they are not comfortable with such talk. I let them go before wasting anymore time or money. Those that are pros, semi-pros, or UTR (none of which I am looking for) will be quick to send pics and talk price, and I let them go. Those that are in it for what I am looking for (young energetic girl looking for adventure and maturity that she can't get on L / are swipe apps) will respond with "ummmm" or "I like the way you think" or "that sounds fun" or "I think we are going to hit it off and I look forward to joining you eventually. ".

Thank you so much for these hints. I have also started to look more closely at profiles that include platonic, wondering if they can be turned. Always, doing something that isn't what everyone else is doing is a good strategy to get a better experience. For example, when SA had lifestyle buttons, I had a search that was only the top level, figuring many guys would stay away. Not saying it worked, but.

[FarFarAway]

I'm getting to the point in my life where I want to treat myself for all the hard work and bs I've had to put up with up to this point. Just out of curiosity, has anyone had any success with a sugar baby that was open to bringing another sugar baby in the mix for possible drinks and fun? Is the SB that posts Men / Women in their "Lookng for" really open to another female soaking up all the attention from her? I'm looking to string 2 maybe 3 SB's together for an unforgettable experience. What's the secret sauce in approaching this situation?

You should look way back in the thread, bowl buddy BikeRider, I believe, set up a profile to snag threesomes some time ago. He was actually deluged w / messaging. I followed up w / him sometime after, evidently none of them bore fruit, for logistical reasons.

[HawkJock]

I'm getting to the point in my life where I want to treat myself for all the hard work and bs I've had to put up with up to this point. Just out of curiosity, has anyone had any success with a sugar baby that was open to bringing another sugar baby in the mix for possible drinks and fun? Is the SB that posts Men / Women in their "Lookng for" really open to another female soaking up all the attention from her? I'm looking to string 2 maybe 3 SB's together for an unforgettable experience. What's the secret sauce in approaching this situation?

Yes. A couple of times actually. One duo became friends and will blow my phone up periodically, even recently, even tho I haven't seen them individually in over a year. In my experience, one of them is always a 30-40 something married lady, from SA, playing on the sly. So one is on the promiscuous side anyway. I've found that taking them on a boat, midweek, to a quiet cove, to be 100% successful. Champagne with fruit and berries and other drinks may be the trick as well!? The times I've arranged meetings at restaurants or at my place, the younger / baby will often get cold feet. I don't recall if any of these ladies had men / women in their "looking for" section. These take hell of a lot of work, a lot of pic swapping, and several iterations of 1-1 time, and maybe a no show before they actually commit. Whatever you do, I don't recommend springing it on one or both of them. Good luck!! They are fun as hell, and I am not a big fan of 3-sum.

[LoriTruck]

I'm getting to the point in my life where I want to treat myself for all the hard work and bs I've had to put up with up to this point. Just out of curiosity, has anyone had any success with a sugar baby that was open to bringing another sugar baby in the mix for possible drinks and fun? Is the SB that posts Men / Women in their "Lookng for" really open to another female soaking up all the attention from her? I'm looking to string 2 maybe 3 SB's together for an unforgettable experience. What's the secret sauce in approaching this situation?

[Walruscl]

I lean toward traditional SD / SB and exclusive FWB relationships on that site. I spend far more on dinners, shows, shopping trips, gift cards, travel, etc than I'd ever spend $200 at a time.

Yes, loving the FWB + dash of romance dynamic with my SB. Just had a romantic pre-Christmas date: fondue in front of a roaring fireplace, champagne, Christmas music in the background, and some carefully-chosen gifts for her under the tree. Followed by a Christmas movie then an overnight for cuddles / playtime, with a leisurely morning before seeing her off until next week's date.

These types of stay-in dates are punctuated with dinner or movies out, plus trips (NYC recently, Florida upcoming this winter) that are just a blast. For the most part, on our dates and trips I can all but literally say that I enjoy every minute of her company.

My recent attempts at branching out for new SB's has turned up nothing even close to this. Could I find someone more sexually intense, yeah, no doubt. I miss that in my LTSB, but she filled so much of my bucket list when we were together that I don't mind this shift of gears.

[Ernest Ll]

For those that state "platonic" I tend to ....

Remind them that Plato was famous for buggering his students.

[HawkJock]

Fellas,

For those that do SD / SB relationships, what did you get her for Christmas? I'm looking for ideas to round out what I've already done. So far, I got tickets for her and I to the nutcracker, high end dinner downtown, $250 Buckle gift card, $100 at her Tanning place, and $100 at her nail place. I'm looking for something tangible, discreet, that she can keep after this relationship has run its course and she can think back to the fun have had.

HJ.

[HawkJock]

I just got bitched out by a gal on SA who contacted me. Now, I'm very clear in my profile (without using language that will get me banned from SA) that I'm not looking for eye candy because my time to meet is limited. And we will have "private meetings" only.

So, this gal contacted me and we moved to text messaging for the particulars. BF is in prison (that's a red flag already), and she has 2 kids and supposedly a job. Told her my needs (draining of my balls on each visit. But, I used the term intimacy in bed when she and I chatted) and told her my gift, $150. She then started railing me "you say you are a SD but you really are not. What about my allowance monthly"?

Poor girl. Can't find a sucker to help pay her rent, send BF in prison money etc.

I did explain to her how it works. She buys into the idea of "free money" from SDs.

OH well.

GG.

Man, Since the demise of BP and CL, SA has become a catch all. The chick above is on SA only because she can advertise for free for quick cash. I've noticed, now, 50-75% are pros, semi-pros, or UTR looking for quick cash transactions. For them it is a short game and they are leaving money on the table. I lean toward traditional SD / SB and exclusive FWB relationships on that site. I spend far more on dinners, shows, shopping trips, gift cards, travel, etc than I'd ever spend $200 at a time. But I take pride and get pleasure from my girl being taken care of (clothes, nails, passport stamps, cultural events) and she shows her appreciation with small gifts of her own and pressing the edge of her envelope in sexual experimentation and taking pride in looking as nice as possible in fancy restaurants.

[HawkJock]

Ignore what they write.. all women are open to fucking, they like it as much as we do. Who they will do it with is what's up in the air.

Whether or not any given male will benefit from that comes down to varying combinations of game, timing, personal chemistry, spending habits, etc. I think one of the biggest mistakes guys new to the bowl make is approaching the lifestyle as a mongering transaction rather than simply another form of online dating, or more accurately a "caught in the middle" lifestyle that sort of fills in the grey area between civy dating on one side and mongering on the other (with some SDs leaning more one way or the other of course).

The girls who write "platonic", "absolutely no sex", etc. are usually just preemptively saving face in case someone they know sees them on the site.

For those that state "platonic" I tend to press the issue shortly after moving to text. I usually tell them I'm going to grab a nap and napping is better when done together, or better after being "tucked" in appropriately. Or I tell them I'm jumping in the shower and I could use a hand for those hard to reach areas. Those that are truly platonic (truly virgins) will let you know quickly that they are not comfortable with such talk. I let them go before wasting anymore time or money. Those that are pros, semi-pros, or UTR (none of which I am looking for) will be quick to send pics and talk price, and I let them go. Those that are in it for what I am looking for (young energetic girl looking for adventure and maturity that she can't get on L / are swipe apps) will respond with "ummmm" or "I like the way you think" or "that sounds fun" or "I think we are going to hit it off and I look forward to joining you eventually. ".

[JustLonely]

I assume any potential SB who doesn't have in her profile Platonic or not looking for sex, is going to be open for it. Assuming as well that you have game.

Thoughts?

Some good points on this topic. Things got muddied up a bit when SA went to just Seeking. Too many I have run across now are thinking this more as a dating site and less of SD / SB. I make it clear that I am are looking for an intimate arrangement with the right person before we have any M&G. My preferred M&G now is a quick coffee after I get off work on the way home. I have found I get a quicker yes to that than taking them to dinner as it is a spontaneous meeting without any pressure for more that a dinner can invoke. Cheaper on me too!

[Ernest Ll]

Ignore what they write.. all women are open to fucking, they like it as much as we do. Who they will do it with is what's up in the air.

I can't tell you the number of 20 somethings who are quite happy to tell me they are comfortable getting naked with a man 2 x their age become men under 30 are clueless losers. USE THIS TO YOUR ADVANTAGE.

My usual patter goes along the lines of.

I first thought when an SB put in her profile she was looking for a "mentor" it meant she was OK with getting naked with a man 2 x their age. But I came to realize that dating can't be any fun when your choices are the soulful barista trying to find a more impactful use of his Humanities degrees or the video game addict who thinks going dutch on take out and firing up Netflix is a quality experience or the man-bunned software geek is always pouting because he isn't VP of Wonderfulness at StartUpApp.com after 6 weeks on the job. Navigating adulthood is confusing and sometimes overwhelming and one little slip up -- like a fender bender or roommate late with rent -- can really set a gal back.

Most women. By the time they are 30 -- will have more than their share of drunken hook ups and regrettable relationships that leave you with little more than fodder to laugh at with your girlfriends -- at best -- and a pregnancy scare at worst. And you can only take so much of the selfish, human jack hammer routine that is sex with a clueless man / boy who has been programmed to ask permission for every kiss instead of taking the lead in life.

You have the rest of your life to fall in love and do all the predictable things -- may as well enjoy life while you can, experience some new things (both fancy dinners / shoes and getting tied up and fucked all night. But that needs not be said, their minds go there), so you can figure out what you enjoy and what you want out of life. And who better to help you navigate all this than someone who has seen and done a thing or two and doesn't have to worry about maxing out his credit card to take you to the nail salon.

10 minutes of messaging along those lines, and they will pretty much go from an introductory drink to drinking you load.

[Assaholic]

There are a few tricks I've found that help maintain the balance through the "comfortable" times.
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4. Don't bust your ass completely on every gym session. Get in the habit of finishing the workout in under an hour, and push yourself just hard enough that the workout itself is enjoyable. This in itself makes the workout itself become addictive, making you look forward to each workout. I've found never, ever to do "as much as I can", because the body does not gauge "too much" very well while it is warmed up during the workout. Injuries only set us back, so avoiding them at all cost is paramount, even if that means stopping the workout at 75%-80% of what you think you have left.
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I can't overstress how on point JL is here. I used to go to the gym just about every day and maxed myself out for 1-1. 5 hours, to the point of depletion. This was 15 years ago. Then I took a vacation, came back a couple of weeks later and started on the same exact routine from day one, same weights, same number of reps, etc. , and ended up injuring my spine. I'm still paying for that mistake today.

[BookerTNelson]

Ignore what they write.. all women are open to fucking, they like it as much as we do. Who they will do it with is what's up in the air.

Whether or not any given male will benefit from that comes down to varying combinations of game, timing, personal chemistry, spending habits, etc. I think one of the biggest mistakes guys new to the bowl make is approaching the lifestyle as a mongering transaction rather than simply another form of online dating, or more accurately a "caught in the middle" lifestyle that sort of fills in the grey area between civy dating on one side and mongering on the other (with some SDs leaning more one way or the other of course).

The girls who write "platonic", "absolutely no sex", etc. are usually just preemptively saving face in case someone they know sees them on the site.

Great advice here. I look at being a SD as nothing but a FWB situation where I chip in some additional help as things float. They've made the decision (consciously or subconsciously) to fuck, it's just up to you to figure out on what terms.

[RWarNmsn69]

Ignore what they write.. all women are open to fucking, they like it as much as we do. Who they will do it with is what's up in the air.

Whether or not any given male will benefit from that comes down to varying combinations of game, timing, personal chemistry, spending habits, etc. I think one of the biggest mistakes guys new to the bowl make is approaching the lifestyle as a mongering transaction rather than simply another form of online dating, or more accurately a "caught in the middle" lifestyle that sort of fills in the grey area between civy dating on one side and mongering on the other (with some SDs leaning more one way or the other of course).

The girls who write "platonic", "absolutely no sex", etc. are usually just preemptively saving face in case someone they know sees them on the site.

As usual these are "words of wisdom" coming from you and I agree 100%! I have learned a lot following your posts on this forum. Thank you sir!

Safe mongering and sugaring!