"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[FarFarAway]

Each of us has a different comfort level with security. My SO can't figure out the login to her email half the time, so I don't worry much about her getting past the fingerprint lock on my phone and laptop. I keep one phone (a second phone, if discovered, would be a bigger red flag than the locks I've had on my machines since she's known me) and use GV for that, otherwise I don't bother with secure browsers / VPNs / etc. I'm religious about opsec within that scope, but outside of it there's so little risk that for me it's not worth the hassle.

Flip side: while we're seeing more and more providers that block or won't respond to GV or other phone / text apps, I've recently noticed a few SA profiles (for what seem to be legit SBs rather than providers using the site) complaining about or refusing to respond to apps as well.

Your situation regarding the SO is good, but you still want to be careful. Recall the Ashley Madison hack, where millions of email addresses were released to the world, in an easily searchable form. I don't recall if that included the IP address the login came from, but you can see why that would be a problem for some (attack by the enterprising identify theif / extortionist). I was contacted at an email address I used on AM with a threat that if I didn't pay $100 my identity would be shared w / everyone on social media. That is one of the reason I use a secure browser on seeking. I also don't have my real photos on the site. I recall in the old days, seeking required a Captcha for every log in, which while a pain, made me feel better about site security. I didn't want my profile photos on google image search.

I should also say I was meeting up w / a POT who was a hot 30's married MILF. She foolishly left the SA app running on her iPhone and fell asleep. Her suspicious hubby used her finger to unlock her iPhone and saw messages from me on seeking. He sent me threatening messages (of course, I had good opsec, so they were pretty empty) and changed her profile to all kinds of defamatory things (that she had STDs, for example). SO, a fingerprint scanner still isn't perfect.

[CantWinLosin]

I can't figure out how to do a direct quote from my earlier post, but my cut and paste is:

"I *never* have the burner inside my house. ".

Perhaps I should have said that I never have it on at home. I turn it off in a strip mall parking lot 5 minutes from home and stash it. I am not 100% sure about the GPS, anytime I am given the option to provide location services, I decline. Like I said, I think I have excellent operational security with this system. I don't think google is going to try to blackmail me with the fact that I have been on certain sites or whatever. Likewise, I am sure the NSA could figure out who I am based on some kind of chink in the armor, but SBs can't, and that's who I am protecting my identity from.

If you have a method that is superior to what I have laid out, please, let us all in on it.

Each of us has a different comfort level with security. My SO can't figure out the login to her email half the time, so I don't worry much about her getting past the fingerprint lock on my phone and laptop. I keep one phone (a second phone, if discovered, would be a bigger red flag than the locks I've had on my machines since she's known me) and use GV for that, otherwise I don't bother with secure browsers / VPNs / etc. I'm religious about opsec within that scope, but outside of it there's so little risk that for me it's not worth the hassle.

Flip side: while we're seeing more and more providers that block or won't respond to GV or other phone / text apps, I've recently noticed a few SA profiles (for what seem to be legit SBs rather than providers using the site) complaining about or refusing to respond to apps as well.

[UnsungHero]

I have been trying to reach out to my sugarbabe from Richmond. I couldn't find her on SA. She goes by the name of Natalia. About 24 years. I met her twice and lost her number. If anyone has access to her digits, please PM me.

Thanks in advance!

[FarFarAway]

Perhaps worth mentioning that Google also knows where your mobile phone is at any given time, as long as you haven't disabled the GPS. That's how they compile traffic and congestion data on Maps. By extension, they also know where you live, based on where your phone spends 99% of it's time.

I can't figure out how to do a direct quote from my earlier post, but my cut and paste is:

"I *never* have the burner inside my house. ".

Perhaps I should have said that I never have it on at home. I turn it off in a strip mall parking lot 5 minutes from home and stash it. I am not 100% sure about the GPS, anytime I am given the option to provide location services, I decline. Like I said, I think I have excellent operational security with this system. I don't think google is going to try to blackmail me with the fact that I have been on certain sites or whatever. Likewise, I am sure the NSA could figure out who I am based on some kind of chink in the armor, but SBs can't, and that's who I am protecting my identity from.

If you have a method that is superior to what I have laid out, please, let us all in on it.

[Assaholic]

You have a great system if it includes a VPN for your home computer. I use CyberGhost but there are many and easy to use. Google is such a nosy company if you use your own computer and home access point I would be surprised if they didn't know who and where you are. With my VPN one time I log on I'm I LA the next in LV or Phoenix all info from that point is encrypted back to me. Just saying!

Perhaps worth mentioning that Google also knows where your mobile phone is at any given time, as long as you haven't disabled the GPS. That's how they compile traffic and congestion data on Maps. By extension, they also know where you live, based on where your phone spends 99% of it's time.

[FarFarAway]

You have a great system if it includes a VPN for your home computer. I use CyberGhost but there are many and easy to use. Google is such a nosy company if you use your own computer and home access point I would be surprised if they didn't know who and where you are. With my VPN one time I log on I'm I LA the next in LV or Phoenix all info from that point is encrypted back to me. Just saying!

So, please reread my post. Both of those browsers are intrinsically safe. Epic has its own internal VPN, when you set it up you can select which one of 6 or so exit ports you want to use. I have learned you can't use Tor w / Google Voice. The fact that you come from a different IP address each time throws them off, they require you to validate your account again w / a code texted to your phone. Stick w / Epic for that. I use Tor for my safe SD email (hushmail), Epic for everything else.

Also, regarding the other responder, one issue you might have is with' 'provider'. I am not looking for those, I want SBs, sometimes they are much less savvy. Also, how does a girl know you're using a GV number to refuse your call? I am aware of sites like nuwber.com that can provide info on who the cell provider for a phone is, but girls are really using this?

[InTight]

I am really happy w / what I have done for a burner. I got a TracFone from a Target, paying cash for it. It's a smartphone, a ZTE, a Chinese brand. I installed Google Voice on it and got a GV # that is my primary contact for texting, since that is so important in being in contact w / POTs and SBs. I am spending almost all my cell $ on GV. If I used the actual burner # for texting, I would buy those on an 'each' basis from TracFone. W / GV, they are essentially just data. I get 1 Gb for $10, and that lasts me for 6 weeks to 3 months. I can use a prepaid debit card to pay for that on the TracFone website, so there are no breadcrumbs. I have no other ongoing costs for the phone, as I really never use the minutes or texts for the main number. I have had to give up NO correct, real personal information to do any of this.

The other thing I like about GV is that I can log onto it (voice. google.com) from my laptop when I am at home and the SO is around, checking texts in a discreet way. I am on the computer all the time, if I had a phone out the SO might be suspicious. I *never* have the burner inside my house. If I send or receive photos, they are available on my computers, so I can archive a girls pix, or have a particular shot of me I like to send out. I have an encrypted jump drive I use for anything / everything related to sugaring, including the apps for the browsers I use, TOR and EPIC. No breadcrumbs on any machine.

This also lets me install kik and snapchat on the burner. A lot of girls like to communicate by kik, especially those on websites other than seeking.com, as it is essentially anonymous texting without providing their phone #. I have found that girls who give me snapchat never turn into M&Gs. I also have the SA app and my SD email account on the phone for great connectivity even when I am out headed to a M&G.

You have a great system if it includes a VPN for your home computer. I use CyberGhost but there are many and easy to use. Google is such a nosy company if you use your own computer and home access point I would be surprised if they didn't know who and where you are. With my VPN one time I log on I'm I LA the next in LV or Phoenix all info from that point is encrypted back to me. Just saying!

[Ltnric]

I am really happy w / what I have done for a burner. I got a TracFone from a Target, paying cash for it. It's a smartphone, a ZTE, a Chinese brand. I installed Google Voice on it and got a GV # that is my primary contact for texting, since that is so important in being in contact w / POTs and SBs. I am spending almost all my cell $ on GV. If I used the actual burner # for texting, I would buy those on an 'each' basis from TracFone. W / GV, they are essentially just data. I get 1 Gb for $10, and that lasts me for 6 weeks to 3 months. I can use a prepaid debit card to pay for that on the TracFone website, so there are no breadcrumbs. I have no other ongoing costs for the phone, as I really never use the minutes or texts for the main number. I have had to give up NO correct, real personal information to do any of this.

The other thing I like about GV is that I can log onto it (voice. google.com) from my laptop when I am at home and the SO is around, checking texts in a discreet way. I am on the computer all the time, if I had a phone out the SO might be suspicious. I *never* have the burner inside my house. If I send or receive photos, they are available on my computers, so I can archive a girls pix, or have a particular shot of me I like to send out. I have an encrypted jump drive I use for anything / everything related to sugaring, including the apps for the browsers I use, TOR and EPIC. No breadcrumbs on any machine.

This also lets me install kik and snapchat on the burner. A lot of girls like to communicate by kik, especially those on websites other than seeking.com, as it is essentially anonymous texting without providing their phone #. I have found that girls who give me snapchat never turn into M&Gs. I also have the SA app and my SD email account on the phone for great connectivity even when I am out headed to a M&G.

I have seen a lot of providers who are no longer accepting calls from GV. Not sure why as a burner phone is just the same as GV. However, with burner phones is a pain because unless you get a monthly plan, which I don't hobby that much, then you have to buy minutes so that's $10-$20 in additional cost to call up a *****. Just frustrating when these women make it a little harder to get a hold of them. Just stupid.

[FarFarAway]

If it is a bar / restaurant that has those small packets of sugar, just write your number on the packet and hand it to the girl w / your tip. Girls in the know are aware of what you are doing. You can tell her I have more sugar for you if you want to meet up / hang out / hook up or whatever way you say it.

This is inspired! Thanks for sharing that tip. Avoids the? Of the business card, etc.

[RogerOver]

Thanks mate. I don't drink (maybe I should start, LOL), so bars are not on my radar at the moment. Girl-next-door types like the smoldering hot chick a couple of tables away sitting by herself at a Starbucks or a restaurant, or the cute cashier at McD's are more my cup of tea. Any pointers on how to open civvies in these situations and gauge whether they're SB material?

No need to drink, you can also just start order your meal at the bar.

Yep! Club soda is your friend.

[BookerTNelson]

Thanks mate. I don't drink (maybe I should start, LOL), so bars are not on my radar at the moment. Girl-next-door types like the smoldering hot chick a couple of tables away sitting by herself at a Starbucks or a restaurant, or the cute cashier at McD's are more my cup of tea. Any pointers on how to open civvies in these situations and gauge whether they're SB material?

No need to drink, you can also just start order your meal at the bar.

[BookerTNelson]

I posted this a while back in a SB forum in my home city:

I travel quite a bit, and when I eat dinner it's usually at the bar. I do this because I get faster service and about 25% of the time there's a decent looking bartender or a young hottie sitting there too. This leads me to last night:

I was chatting up a hot blonde bartender and of course starting discussing relationships. As soon as I started talking about how travel kept me from having girlfriends AND that I liked younger chicks, she immediately asked if I was a sugar daddy. Not doing the blow by blow, but you can probably see where the conversation went from there.

This has happened to me a few times. It's really that easy to get a civvie chick that isn't a full-on escort outside of SA. There just isn't any stigma attached to it anymore.

I see a lot of posts on here about "game" and all. You're going to have to chat them up, and truly, most chicks decide in just a few minutes whether they would fuck you. You'll see the interest right away or you will recognize there's not any. If there's none there, then NEXT.

YES! I've been using this approach for 3+ years and I've never been slapped and I've never had a woman seem overly offended and ask me to leave or cause a scene. I chat them up like a normal guy looking to get to know them. I become friends with the bartender (because we all know how word spreads in the restaurant / bar workplace). This approach is for men who are confident enough and have some way with words. Honestly if I was to tally things up, I've had more FWB come from this than SB / UTR's.

[BookerTNelson]

Repeating some advice I saw on this thread some time ago, this is likely an activity best left to those who are single. W / an SO, it is hazardous to be hooking up w / girls this way, or really anyplace but the sites that give us our anonymity. I have certainly thought about this many times, from the girl at a mall kiosk who gives me the eye as I walk by, to the hottie in front of me in line at the bank. I have thought about getting business cards printed up ($10 from VistaPrint) w / all my SD fake identity and contact info, but haven't pulled the trigger. Obviously, fake business cards would be evidence I wouldn't want my SO to see.

I disagree. I have a SO, this is almost strictly how I have found my "SB's". I have a business card printed with all my SD info on it and I'm not shy about handing them out but here's the trick. I do it in areas that I do not frequently visit, especially with my SO. I'm also in DC so the chances of bumping into them is verrrry low.

[Assaholic]

I posted this a while back in a SB forum in my home city:

I travel quite a bit, and when I eat dinner it's usually at the bar. I do this because I get faster service and about 25% of the time there's a decent looking bartender or a young hottie sitting there too. This leads me to last night:

I was chatting up a hot blonde bartender and of course starting discussing relationships. As soon as I started talking about how travel kept me from having girlfriends AND that I liked younger chicks, she immediately asked if I was a sugar daddy. Not doing the blow by blow, but you can probably see where the conversation went from there.

This has happened to me a few times. It's really that easy to get a civvie chick that isn't a full-on escort outside of SA. There just isn't any stigma attached to it anymore.

I see a lot of posts on here about "game" and all. You're going to have to chat them up, and truly, most chicks decide in just a few minutes whether they would fuck you. You'll see the interest right away or you will recognize there's not any. If there's none there, then NEXT.

Thanks mate. I don't drink (maybe I should start, LOL), so bars are not on my radar at the moment. Girl-next-door types like the smoldering hot chick a couple of tables away sitting by herself at a Starbucks or a restaurant, or the cute cashier at McD's are more my cup of tea. Any pointers on how to open civvies in these situations and gauge whether they're SB material?

[FarFarAway]

I am really happy w / what I have done for a burner. I got a TracFone from a Target, paying cash for it. It's a smartphone, a ZTE, a Chinese brand. I installed Google Voice on it and got a GV # that is my primary contact for texting, since that is so important in being in contact w / POTs and SBs. I am spending almost all my cell $ on GV. If I used the actual burner # for texting, I would buy those on an 'each' basis from TracFone. W / GV, they are essentially just data. I get 1 Gb for $10, and that lasts me for 6 weeks to 3 months. I can use a prepaid debit card to pay for that on the TracFone website, so there are no breadcrumbs. I have no other ongoing costs for the phone, as I really never use the minutes or texts for the main number. I have had to give up NO correct, real personal information to do any of this.

The other thing I like about GV is that I can log onto it (voice. google.com) from my laptop when I am at home and the SO is around, checking texts in a discreet way. I am on the computer all the time, if I had a phone out the SO might be suspicious. I *never* have the burner inside my house. If I send or receive photos, they are available on my computers, so I can archive a girls pix, or have a particular shot of me I like to send out. I have an encrypted jump drive I use for anything / everything related to sugaring, including the apps for the browsers I use, TOR and EPIC. No breadcrumbs on any machine.

This also lets me install kik and snapchat on the burner. A lot of girls like to communicate by kik, especially those on websites other than seeking.com, as it is essentially anonymous texting without providing their phone #. I have found that girls who give me snapchat never turn into M&Gs. I also have the SA app and my SD email account on the phone for great connectivity even when I am out headed to a M&G.