"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[CantWinLosin]

How would someone know you are calling from a phone app?

I've been told but haven't verified that some of the VOIP services report that it's a GV or other app number in the caller ID when a name isn't available. These days, most of the number-lookup services (whitepages, whocalld, etc.) will tell you whether a number is landline, VOIP or app based (that info may require a subscription. For me, the 2 bucks a month for a whitepages account is well worth it.).

As reported in one of the other threads here earlier, there's a fairly well-known local mid-30's provider that refuses any call or text that's from an app. And she uses a VOIP service on top of her cell for her business. Obviously her opsec is more important to her than are her clients, which is why I've never used her. But more and more women seem to be picking up on how to secure themselves in this manner.

[JustLonely]

I just noticed the profile text search is back working again. They also added to the desktop version a bar to type your message right there at the top of the profile page. Kind of handy if you need to refer to her info while messaging.

[RogerOver]

Each of us has a different comfort level with security. My SO can't figure out the login to her email half the time, so I don't worry much about her getting past the fingerprint lock on my phone and laptop. I keep one phone (a second phone, if discovered, would be a bigger red flag than the locks I've had on my machines since she's known me) and use GV for that, otherwise I don't bother with secure browsers / VPNs / etc. I'm religious about opsec within that scope, but outside of it there's so little risk that for me it's not worth the hassle.

Flip side: while we're seeing more and more providers that block or won't respond to GV or other phone / text apps, I've recently noticed a few SA profiles (for what seem to be legit SBs rather than providers using the site) complaining about or refusing to respond to apps as well.

I'm a bit more careful on my laptop etc, but for an alternative to GV I use MySudo. I like it better than GV and they have zero knowledge of your phone number or messages, etc. Not free, but if you're willing to spend $90 a month to chase hookers-that-don't-think-they're-hookers on a website, a few bucks for opsec shouldn't bother you.

[RogerOver]

Buy one a dress and see what happens. Just a cheap sundress, and they go nuts. "no man has ever bought me a dress" I have done this 3 times and all 3 times I got the holy living shit fucked out of me as a thank you. All for a $50 dress. It is not like it is rocket science to figure out their size, yet the "boyfriend", "husband" etc never seem to figure it out.

I bought a girl a dress and a fairly inexpensive necklace once, and holy shit! You'd have thought she hit the lottery or something.

[OriolesMagic]

Each of us has a different comfort level with security. My SO can't figure out the login to her email half the time, so I don't worry much about her getting past the fingerprint lock on my phone and laptop. I keep one phone (a second phone, if discovered, would be a bigger red flag than the locks I've had on my machines since she's known me) and use GV for that, otherwise I don't bother with secure browsers / VPNs / etc. I'm religious about opsec within that scope, but outside of it there's so little risk that for me it's not worth the hassle.

Flip side: while we're seeing more and more providers that block or won't respond to GV or other phone / text apps, I've recently noticed a few SA profiles (for what seem to be legit SBs rather than providers using the site) complaining about or refusing to respond to apps as well.

How would someone know you are calling from a phone app?

[Beachesnole02]

I have a regular SB, tall volleyball player, mid-20's, flawless body, daddy issues. I hadn't seen her in a year+ and got back in touch. She hadn't been on SA for all that time. I asked before the first time back in the FC if she wanted me to bring anything, expecting her to ask for some toy or alcohol, she comes back w / flowers. I got her a simple grocery store bouquet, and she continues to talk about it a week+ after the FC. Sometimes, these girls do really just want to feel like they matter to someone, even though they also want to f** like bunnies and receive their allowance. FFA.

Buy one a dress and see what happens. Just a cheap sundress, and they go nuts. "no man has ever bought me a dress" I have done this 3 times and all 3 times I got the holy living shit fucked out of me as a thank you. All for a $50 dress. It is not like it is rocket science to figure out their size, yet the "boyfriend", "husband" etc never seem to figure it out.

[FarFarAway]

Each of us has a different comfort level with security. My SO can't figure out the login to her email half the time, so I don't worry much about her getting past the fingerprint lock on my phone and laptop. I keep one phone (a second phone, if discovered, would be a bigger red flag than the locks I've had on my machines since she's known me) and use GV for that, otherwise I don't bother with secure browsers / VPNs / etc. I'm religious about opsec within that scope, but outside of it there's so little risk that for me it's not worth the hassle.

Flip side: while we're seeing more and more providers that block or won't respond to GV or other phone / text apps, I've recently noticed a few SA profiles (for what seem to be legit SBs rather than providers using the site) complaining about or refusing to respond to apps as well.

Your situation regarding the SO is good, but you still want to be careful. Recall the Ashley Madison hack, where millions of email addresses were released to the world, in an easily searchable form. I don't recall if that included the IP address the login came from, but you can see why that would be a problem for some (attack by the enterprising identify theif / extortionist). I was contacted at an email address I used on AM with a threat that if I didn't pay $100 my identity would be shared w / everyone on social media. That is one of the reason I use a secure browser on seeking. I also don't have my real photos on the site. I recall in the old days, seeking required a Captcha for every log in, which while a pain, made me feel better about site security. I didn't want my profile photos on google image search.

I should also say I was meeting up w / a POT who was a hot 30's married MILF. She foolishly left the SA app running on her iPhone and fell asleep. Her suspicious hubby used her finger to unlock her iPhone and saw messages from me on seeking. He sent me threatening messages (of course, I had good opsec, so they were pretty empty) and changed her profile to all kinds of defamatory things (that she had STDs, for example). SO, a fingerprint scanner still isn't perfect.

[CantWinLosin]

I can't figure out how to do a direct quote from my earlier post, but my cut and paste is:

"I *never* have the burner inside my house. ".

Perhaps I should have said that I never have it on at home. I turn it off in a strip mall parking lot 5 minutes from home and stash it. I am not 100% sure about the GPS, anytime I am given the option to provide location services, I decline. Like I said, I think I have excellent operational security with this system. I don't think google is going to try to blackmail me with the fact that I have been on certain sites or whatever. Likewise, I am sure the NSA could figure out who I am based on some kind of chink in the armor, but SBs can't, and that's who I am protecting my identity from.

If you have a method that is superior to what I have laid out, please, let us all in on it.

Each of us has a different comfort level with security. My SO can't figure out the login to her email half the time, so I don't worry much about her getting past the fingerprint lock on my phone and laptop. I keep one phone (a second phone, if discovered, would be a bigger red flag than the locks I've had on my machines since she's known me) and use GV for that, otherwise I don't bother with secure browsers / VPNs / etc. I'm religious about opsec within that scope, but outside of it there's so little risk that for me it's not worth the hassle.

Flip side: while we're seeing more and more providers that block or won't respond to GV or other phone / text apps, I've recently noticed a few SA profiles (for what seem to be legit SBs rather than providers using the site) complaining about or refusing to respond to apps as well.

[UnsungHero]

I have been trying to reach out to my sugarbabe from Richmond. I couldn't find her on SA. She goes by the name of Natalia. About 24 years. I met her twice and lost her number. If anyone has access to her digits, please PM me.

Thanks in advance!

[FarFarAway]

Perhaps worth mentioning that Google also knows where your mobile phone is at any given time, as long as you haven't disabled the GPS. That's how they compile traffic and congestion data on Maps. By extension, they also know where you live, based on where your phone spends 99% of it's time.

I can't figure out how to do a direct quote from my earlier post, but my cut and paste is:

"I *never* have the burner inside my house. ".

Perhaps I should have said that I never have it on at home. I turn it off in a strip mall parking lot 5 minutes from home and stash it. I am not 100% sure about the GPS, anytime I am given the option to provide location services, I decline. Like I said, I think I have excellent operational security with this system. I don't think google is going to try to blackmail me with the fact that I have been on certain sites or whatever. Likewise, I am sure the NSA could figure out who I am based on some kind of chink in the armor, but SBs can't, and that's who I am protecting my identity from.

If you have a method that is superior to what I have laid out, please, let us all in on it.

[Assaholic]

You have a great system if it includes a VPN for your home computer. I use CyberGhost but there are many and easy to use. Google is such a nosy company if you use your own computer and home access point I would be surprised if they didn't know who and where you are. With my VPN one time I log on I'm I LA the next in LV or Phoenix all info from that point is encrypted back to me. Just saying!

Perhaps worth mentioning that Google also knows where your mobile phone is at any given time, as long as you haven't disabled the GPS. That's how they compile traffic and congestion data on Maps. By extension, they also know where you live, based on where your phone spends 99% of it's time.

[FarFarAway]

You have a great system if it includes a VPN for your home computer. I use CyberGhost but there are many and easy to use. Google is such a nosy company if you use your own computer and home access point I would be surprised if they didn't know who and where you are. With my VPN one time I log on I'm I LA the next in LV or Phoenix all info from that point is encrypted back to me. Just saying!

So, please reread my post. Both of those browsers are intrinsically safe. Epic has its own internal VPN, when you set it up you can select which one of 6 or so exit ports you want to use. I have learned you can't use Tor w / Google Voice. The fact that you come from a different IP address each time throws them off, they require you to validate your account again w / a code texted to your phone. Stick w / Epic for that. I use Tor for my safe SD email (hushmail), Epic for everything else.

Also, regarding the other responder, one issue you might have is with' 'provider'. I am not looking for those, I want SBs, sometimes they are much less savvy. Also, how does a girl know you're using a GV number to refuse your call? I am aware of sites like nuwber.com that can provide info on who the cell provider for a phone is, but girls are really using this?

[InTight]

I am really happy w / what I have done for a burner. I got a TracFone from a Target, paying cash for it. It's a smartphone, a ZTE, a Chinese brand. I installed Google Voice on it and got a GV # that is my primary contact for texting, since that is so important in being in contact w / POTs and SBs. I am spending almost all my cell $ on GV. If I used the actual burner # for texting, I would buy those on an 'each' basis from TracFone. W / GV, they are essentially just data. I get 1 Gb for $10, and that lasts me for 6 weeks to 3 months. I can use a prepaid debit card to pay for that on the TracFone website, so there are no breadcrumbs. I have no other ongoing costs for the phone, as I really never use the minutes or texts for the main number. I have had to give up NO correct, real personal information to do any of this.

The other thing I like about GV is that I can log onto it (voice. google.com) from my laptop when I am at home and the SO is around, checking texts in a discreet way. I am on the computer all the time, if I had a phone out the SO might be suspicious. I *never* have the burner inside my house. If I send or receive photos, they are available on my computers, so I can archive a girls pix, or have a particular shot of me I like to send out. I have an encrypted jump drive I use for anything / everything related to sugaring, including the apps for the browsers I use, TOR and EPIC. No breadcrumbs on any machine.

This also lets me install kik and snapchat on the burner. A lot of girls like to communicate by kik, especially those on websites other than seeking.com, as it is essentially anonymous texting without providing their phone #. I have found that girls who give me snapchat never turn into M&Gs. I also have the SA app and my SD email account on the phone for great connectivity even when I am out headed to a M&G.

You have a great system if it includes a VPN for your home computer. I use CyberGhost but there are many and easy to use. Google is such a nosy company if you use your own computer and home access point I would be surprised if they didn't know who and where you are. With my VPN one time I log on I'm I LA the next in LV or Phoenix all info from that point is encrypted back to me. Just saying!

[Ltnric]

I am really happy w / what I have done for a burner. I got a TracFone from a Target, paying cash for it. It's a smartphone, a ZTE, a Chinese brand. I installed Google Voice on it and got a GV # that is my primary contact for texting, since that is so important in being in contact w / POTs and SBs. I am spending almost all my cell $ on GV. If I used the actual burner # for texting, I would buy those on an 'each' basis from TracFone. W / GV, they are essentially just data. I get 1 Gb for $10, and that lasts me for 6 weeks to 3 months. I can use a prepaid debit card to pay for that on the TracFone website, so there are no breadcrumbs. I have no other ongoing costs for the phone, as I really never use the minutes or texts for the main number. I have had to give up NO correct, real personal information to do any of this.

The other thing I like about GV is that I can log onto it (voice. google.com) from my laptop when I am at home and the SO is around, checking texts in a discreet way. I am on the computer all the time, if I had a phone out the SO might be suspicious. I *never* have the burner inside my house. If I send or receive photos, they are available on my computers, so I can archive a girls pix, or have a particular shot of me I like to send out. I have an encrypted jump drive I use for anything / everything related to sugaring, including the apps for the browsers I use, TOR and EPIC. No breadcrumbs on any machine.

This also lets me install kik and snapchat on the burner. A lot of girls like to communicate by kik, especially those on websites other than seeking.com, as it is essentially anonymous texting without providing their phone #. I have found that girls who give me snapchat never turn into M&Gs. I also have the SA app and my SD email account on the phone for great connectivity even when I am out headed to a M&G.

I have seen a lot of providers who are no longer accepting calls from GV. Not sure why as a burner phone is just the same as GV. However, with burner phones is a pain because unless you get a monthly plan, which I don't hobby that much, then you have to buy minutes so that's $10-$20 in additional cost to call up a *****. Just frustrating when these women make it a little harder to get a hold of them. Just stupid.

[FarFarAway]

If it is a bar / restaurant that has those small packets of sugar, just write your number on the packet and hand it to the girl w / your tip. Girls in the know are aware of what you are doing. You can tell her I have more sugar for you if you want to meet up / hang out / hook up or whatever way you say it.

This is inspired! Thanks for sharing that tip. Avoids the? Of the business card, etc.