"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[JimXuper90]

My lifelong friend has asked me to check in on his daughter going to college in my city. I already creep her Instagram and this summer she friended me on fb from a second account that her parents are blocked from seeing. She has already begged me to take her to the mall, what I don't know is whether she is looking for a ride or a sponsor. A misunderstanding could be catastrophic but this could be awesome / terrible / FANTASTIC. Updates to come.

No pussy worth losing lifelong friend for me. I would not do it.

[JustLonely]

https://www.seeking.com/member/17546...e-3e1a033bba0e

Any feedback on this one before I pull the trigger?

Nothing in archives I could find.

Thanks bros!

She wanted 400 Too much for me.

[NeoDude]

https://www.seeking.com/member/17546...e-3e1a033bba0e

Any feedback on this one before I pull the trigger?

Nothing in archives I could find.

Thanks bros!

[TwoDirection]

Anybody have any experience or feedback? https://www.seeking.com/member/49ed0...f-71b30a9794d6.

Overall she wasn't what I was looking for, but she's prettier and sexier than those pictures, IMO. Former swimmer, spinner body with great golden skin, really nice ass and boobs. She's a real sweetheart, too. She's not kidding about being a heavy drinker, though. That's all I'm willing to share.

[UKnowWho]

Curious what frequency you usually get for that allowance?

Always twice a week. Less than that isn't enough for me, and more is too much burden on my free nights. No firm rules about time per visit, but each visit usually ends up being about three to five hours.

she responds that her friend has been doing it for years and been spoiled fantastically without sleeping with a single guy (....) sure enough it was a girl I had 2 or 3 times in a hotel a year ago for a very reasonable allowance

Haha, that's hilarious. I think I'll borrow that story the next time I run across a girl with a story about her friend's SD.

[TomDickNHarry]

I give a 2 K per month allowance and the arrangements do usually only last a few months. Like any other relationship, I think. Current one is at four months and going strong, but the one before that was about three months, and the one before that was just one month. My record was a couple of years, although I didn't find her on a sugar site.

I've found a big obstacle is what girls tell each other. E. g. One girl I met told me a guy from SA gave her roommate $2000 at the start of the semester just for talking to him on the phone. I definitely didn't believe that, but I believe she believed it. Girls want to make themselves look better by inflating the amount they tell their friends they got and deflating what they had to do for it. The same thing happens among strippers who meet guys outside of the strip club.

Curious what frequency you usually get for that allowance?

Ftr, not suggesting SD's like you don't exist, but you are the exception not the rule and people should keep it in mind when negotiating. The guys aggressively offering allowances, at least where I am, seem to be much more about convincing them to get to the FC a time or two, than sincere about it. What you do is at least realistic.

In terms of them embellishing for their friends, which absolutely happens, I posted the perfect example in this thread a couple of months ago. I had a M&G with a girl where it comes out after 10 minutes that she wants to be a paid social companion only, no interest in intimacy and is firm about it. I politely explained that this was going to be next to impossible and she responds that her friend has been doing it for years and been spoiled fantastically without sleeping with a single guy. Said she wasn't having much luck so far but it had only been a couple of days and because of her friend she knew it was possible. I give up convincing her as she obviously 100% believes this, and we spend the rest of lunch chatting pleasantly. Toward the end I ask if she has a pic of her friend as I was curious if I had met her. She whips out her phone, and sure enough it was a girl I had 2 or 3 times in a hotel a year ago for a very reasonable allowance which she requested. In fact, her friend and I first met for a drink for 5 minutes and then went to the FC that very same day. I just smiled to myself and said I didn't know her, but here she's telling this friend she's being paid to go to dinners and shows when she's really hitting the FC with guys after five minutes and a $4 cocktail LOL. The friend figured it out pretty quickly though because the profile was gone in under a week.

[UKnowWho]

But I can promise you guys ponying up even 2 k a month for one girl on an ongoing basis (more than a month or two) are the equivalent of a black swan. It exists but is exceedingly rare and they could talk to 1000 guys on there w / o finding it. And when one of these girls tells you they had found it, they were likely either just led to believe by the site's marketing that it does, or they're lying.

I give a 2 K per month allowance and the arrangements do usually only last a few months. Like any other relationship, I think. Current one is at four months and going strong, but the one before that was about three months, and the one before that was just one month. My record was a couple of years, although I didn't find her on a sugar site.

I've found a big obstacle is what girls tell each other. E. g. One girl I met told me a guy from SA gave her roommate $2000 at the start of the semester just for talking to him on the phone. I definitely didn't believe that, but I believe she believed it. Girls want to make themselves look better by inflating the amount they tell their friends they got and deflating what they had to do for it. The same thing happens among strippers who meet guys outside of the strip club.

[JZLizard]

My lifelong friend has asked me to check in on his daughter going to college in my city. I already creep her Instagram and this summer she friended me on fb from a second account that her parents are blocked from seeing. She has already begged me to take her to the mall, what I don't know is whether she is looking for a ride or a sponsor. A misunderstanding could be catastrophic but this could be awesome / terrible / FANTASTIC. Updates to come.

I read this and was like -- seriously? I can count my combined lifelong friends (made during high school, college, or early career) that are still alive on one hand. In contrast, I lost count of how many pussies I've had my cock in a long time ago.

I'd never consider betraying a friend for pussy. Pussy is easy to come by and real friends are not.

[FarFarAway]

This is a great post Max and it's a good sensible approach.

However, my way of looking at it is thus: she came out of the gate lying and trying to play me. She's bullshitting you in the hope you'll go along and deliver on something that makes no sense. At this point she lost all credibility with me and it gets her an instant "never going to happen". That she comes to her senses later is completely irrelevant to me. NEXT!

Well, I'd just consider the psychology. The same mind that deludes itself that can get / is worth that is the mind that decides it would be a good idea to hook up w / a guy twice her age. Some of this goes w / the territory. If you are toward the transactional end of the spectrum, it's true, this type of girl will take a lot of work you don't have patience for. I am on the other end of the spectrum, don't mind cultivating girls for a while, and like the chase, figuring them out. The girl I am always looking for is the one who is truly interested in the kink of being done by a daddy type, for whatever reason. Adopted, submissive, etc. These girls should be paying me, but I've never found one that would. LOL.

[Madaboutmax]

If she is lying, which most are, I agree.

I think some are just naive newbies that have unrealistic expectations boosted by media hype. When they see reality they either become disolutioned and disappear or adjust their expectations.

I've had it work out well a few times after a girl has had her expectations reset, but not the standard.

This is a great post Max and it's a good sensible approach.

However, my way of looking at it is thus: she came out of the gate lying and trying to play me. She's bullshitting you in the hope you'll go along and deliver on something that makes no sense. At this point she lost all credibility with me and it gets her an instant "never going to happen". That she comes to her senses later is completely irrelevant to me. NEXT!

[EvilTmp]

This has been discussed before. I break it down into 3 areas:

The biggest GPS girls I've seen are constantly on the site looking for the next SD. If they were truly worth it and could get it they would find one or two big fish SDs and stop looking.

Way more girls than guys on the site so i always remind myslef, I have numbers on my side. I'm patient and move to the next one. If she comes back, she will come back on my terms.

This is a great post Max and it's a good sensible approach.

However, my way of looking at it is thus: she came out of the gate lying and trying to play me. She's bullshitting you in the hope you'll go along and deliver on something that makes no sense. At this point she lost all credibility with me and it gets her an instant "never going to happen". That she comes to her senses later is completely irrelevant to me. NEXT!

[BlueFalcon123]

I rejoined SA this month to scope out the newbies starting college. I found a rare gem.

She admits, in her profile, seeking only experience SD. We get to chatting terms and getting to know each other.

I'm short, she's a total virgin and wants to be a woman before college started. Sweet girl, slim and highly intelligent. 18 yr.

Yes I checked ID. Haha!

So, she trusted me and I obliged gentleman. And it was glorious. It was a 3 hour endurance test. But she passed with flying colors. By the 2nd round, we discover standing doggie is her fav.

We are both jumping off SA and we will keep to each other for now.

It's out here bros! Having a ball in the sugar bowl!

[TomDickNHarry]

This has been discussed before. I break it down into 3 areas:

1. How I reply?

I always reply politely that I'm sorry if I offended them and that I am not trying to tell them how much they are worth or what they may need, but only what my budget allows me to offer. I respect if that does not meet their expectations or needs and wish them well on their search.

It doesn't do any good to argue with them. It works best if girls learn reality from others. I've had them come back after a few days or weeks and start up discussions with me again because I was polite and not a creep after they've learned what their options really are.

2. Why do they think I'm cheap?

Some are just naive and believe all the hype put out by SA and on social media about large jackpots for platonic relationships. Others use it is a negotiating ploy to get you to raise your offer. Some may have had big offers that never panned out, but still belief it is their market price. I think very few actually get that on a consistent basis.

3. What do I think is reality with respect to what other SD's provide?

I don't believe there are many SDs that provide $2k per month allowance for very long to the same girl. There are some for sure, but they are either creepy, weird or getting the cream of the crop (which the girl you showed clearly is not).

I think there are a lot of guys that promise the world and deliver very little to get some and then move on. I also think there are some genuinely big spenders that get the cream of the crop, but they are rarely satisfied with one girl for long.

The biggest GPS girls I've seen are constantly on the site looking for the next SD. If they were truly worth it and could get it they would find one or two big fish SDs and stop looking.

Way more girls than guys on the site so i always remind myslef, I have numbers on my side. I'm patient and move to the next one. If she comes back, she will come back on my terms.

Masterpiece of a post. This is the money shot: "I think there are a lot of guys that promise the world and deliver very little to get some and then move on. The biggest GPS girls I've seen are constantly on the site looking for the next SD. If they were truly worth it and could get it they would find one or two big fish SDs and stop looking. ".

There are generally two broad groups I've found that will deliver some major cheese, not ongoing but for a meet or two, and I'm not even talking a grand I'm talking half a grand for a meet. The first is the guys that prey on the newbies, in order to be the first to get a new girl who shows up on the site. There are definitely a few guys in my market who specialize in this, and clearly unless the girl knocks their socks off they move on to the next newbie and if she's great I suspect they keep seeing her but walk her down. The other is the out of towner type or newbie on our end type, who will drop 4 or 5 one night on them after dinner and drinks--again it's not ongoing but if they meet someone like this early on it spoils them and they think it's the norm.

It can also work in reverse for the newbies BTW, I've heard multiple stories of them getting ripped off. There is at least one person in my market who tries to meet 18-20 newbies on their very first day on the site, particularly the naive, shy, reserved type, who are uncertain how it's supposed to work and hesitant to ask for anything, where they just have a general expectation they will be rewarded. He FC's them and then just says goodbye without providing a penny. So it can go both ways for them early on.

But I can promise you guys ponying up even 2 k a month for one girl on an ongoing basis (more than a month or two) are the equivalent of a black swan. It exists but is exceedingly rare and they could talk to 1000 guys on there w / o finding it. And when one of these girls tells you they had found it, they were likely either just led to believe by the site's marketing that it does, or they're lying. For example, have you ever met a girl on the site who admitted she's done this before and said she had this great arrangement but "the guy moved"? If I've heard it once I've heard it 1 k times. Apparently every single long term, super generous, reliable, wonderful daddy eventually moves out of town. Every single one LOL.

[Madaboutmax]

This has been discussed before. I break it down into 3 areas:

1. How I reply?

I always reply politely that I'm sorry if I offended them and that I am not trying to tell them how much they are worth or what they may need, but only what my budget allows me to offer. I respect if that does not meet their expectations or needs and wish them well on their search.

It doesn't do any good to argue with them. It works best if girls learn reality from others. I've had them come back after a few days or weeks and start up discussions with me again because I was polite and not a creep after they've learned what their options really are.

2. Why do they think I'm cheap?

Some are just naive and believe all the hype put out by SA and on social media about large jackpots for platonic relationships. Others use it is a negotiating ploy to get you to raise your offer. Some may have had big offers that never panned out, but still belief it is their market price. I think very few actually get that on a consistent basis.

3. What do I think is reality with respect to what other SD's provide?

I don't believe there are many SDs that provide $2k per month allowance for very long to the same girl. There are some for sure, but they are either creepy, weird or getting the cream of the crop (which the girl you showed clearly is not).

I think there are a lot of guys that promise the world and deliver very little to get some and then move on. I also think there are some genuinely big spenders that get the cream of the crop, but they are rarely satisfied with one girl for long.

The biggest GPS girls I've seen are constantly on the site looking for the next SD. If they were truly worth it and could get it they would find one or two big fish SDs and stop looking.

Way more girls than guys on the site so i always remind myslef, I have numbers on my side. I'm patient and move to the next one. If she comes back, she will come back on my terms.

Who's paying 2 k per date around Richmond? 18 year old who said I need to reevaluate why I'm on the site because I'm obviously not SD material for saying no to 2 k. She claims guys are paying that and more. Anybody have any luck with this one:

https://www.seeking.com/member/4a520...e-30a2d98bbdc7

[EvilTmp]

Don't you know that all the girls get thousands just to talk to guys (no sex)? Also, every girl is unique and an original snowflake. She's better than all the other girls.

If you hand control of your wallet to a bland 18 year old You deserve whatever happens after that. She's obviously trolling for a whale of a sucker that will believe whatever nonsense she can dream up. Only you can decide if you're that sucker or not.

So to answer your original question nobody, not a single person, is paying 2 k a date. Tell her she's a terrible liar and leave at that.

P.S. just looked at her profile. Sweet jesus, she's a 3/10 at best (ugly face, meh body) and for an 18 yo she's very much below average. So according to her, what are the hot girls getting? A bazillion and a half dollars?

Who's paying 2 k per date around Richmond? 18 year old who said I need to reevaluate why I'm on the site because I'm obviously not SD material for saying no to 2 k. She claims guys are paying that and more. Anybody have any luck with this one:

https://www.seeking.com/member/4a520...e-30a2d98bbdc7