"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**HuksAlot** · 07-16-18 12:02

I live in Portland, Oregon and have been sugar playing for about 10 years. Over that period I've taken about 100 babies to the FC. My target age group is 21-29, with a small sprinkling of 30 and 40 somethings. The percentages of babies that I've met that go bare.

1st date: approx 75%.

2nd date: approx 90%.

3rd date: over 95%.

I've only kept two arrangements going beyond three dates with babies that require a cover. I typically keep and arrangement going when I find a baby that I enjoy, even if initially she insists on a cover. However, experience has shown me that babies are down with bare if you repeat with them, treat them nicely and respectfully and you are clean, trimmed and freshly showered.

Originally Posted by ErnestLl [View Original Post]

I agree that skews them towards the civvie side. The go bareback on their drunken hook ups throughout their 20's, so they probably don't see a reason to change just because sugar is involved.

I'd say about 80% of the SBs I've gotten into bed were fine with bare -- several of them on round 2.

**Ernest Ll** · 07-16-18 09:46

Originally Posted by GuyInTheCorner [View Original Post]

I have to say, I am genuinely shocked at the number of women that are happy to go bare.

I agree that skews them towards the civvie side. The go bareback on their drunken hook ups throughout their 20's, so they probably don't see a reason to change just because sugar is involved.

I'd say about 80% of the SBs I've gotten into bed were fine with bare -- several of them on round 2.

**Member #6951** · 07-16-18 00:25

I have to say, I am genuinely shocked at the number of women that are happy to go bare. I've found it often (but not always) signals a woman that is a true amateur (though not always. It can also signal a woman who is desperate, but screening usually weeds them out). By contrast, the women who insist on a rubber are often (but not always) UTR. Occasionally also a woman that is very sex positive but also very active and just keeps it safe, which I respect, The dichotomy is not 100%, but my experience over the past few months (and stretching back over the past few years) is relatively close to accurate on it.

And then within that group of women who don't require protection, there is a not-insignificant number that aren't on birth control. Often on the younger side. A couple have mentioned Plan B so it is not totally out of mind. I have seen more and more young women have an IUD (thanks to the ACA).

I've definitely made a point of asking the BC question ahead of time so that the little head doesn't do the thinking in the heat of battle. I also have a couple of conversational topics that help flesh out anyone that is on the crazy baby daddy side.

**GoneForDays** · 07-15-18 18:40

Just wanted to get that out of the way.

Have faith, there are a lot of girls who are worth the time on SA. Keep plugging away, be nice, relatively easy going, and you can find a good hidden gem.

My dream this weekend. College girl, saying she's relatively inexperienced, sexually open to anything. Within a half hour we were on the bed, she's giving me DFK, bbbjwcim, dt, day, 69,mish, Greek. OMG. Where have you been?

**CoolPix** · 07-15-18 13:43

Originally Posted by RWarNmsn69 [View Original Post]

The link you posted is to your messages instead of the SB with GPS.

Safe mongering and sugaring!

Yep, I'm an idiot. Here's the link to her profile: https://www.seeking.com/member/9bf02...e-28d489822c8b.

**F Scott** · 07-15-18 13:43

Originally Posted by JZLizard [View Original Post]

And, my next prediction is that if SA doesn't find a way to keep the morons that don't know the difference between escorting and sugaring away, it will suffer a similar fate to BP.

I totally agree! This past year there have been so many pros joining SA in my area that it is becoming a little discouraging working through them all. How many brothers here report suspect profiles to SA?

**RWarNmsn69** · 07-15-18 00:29

Originally Posted by CoolPix [View Original Post]

Has anyone dealt with this one before?

https://www.seeking.com/messages/sen...9-85337358da9c

I shared a couple of texts with her the last couple of days and boy, talk about GPS. The allowance she seeks is beyond what I would offer I don't care how attractive she is.

Oh, and she used to have the handle Liv and Luv but has put up a new profile.

Happy hunting.

The link you posted is to your messages instead of the SB with GPS.

Safe mongering and sugaring!

**CoolPix** · 07-14-18 12:59

Has anyone dealt with this one before?

https://www.seeking.com/messages/sen...9-85337358da9c

I shared a couple of texts with her the last couple of days and boy, talk about GPS. The allowance she seeks is beyond what I would offer I don't care how attractive she is.

Oh, and she used to have the handle Liv and Luv but has put up a new profile.

Happy hunting.

**JZLizard** · 07-11-18 21:16

Originally Posted by RogerOver [View Original Post]

Maybe want to check into those royalty payments. Looks like your fame is spreading everywhere (or at least coast to coast):

There is a real Dean of sugaring who has zillions of posts on the Richmond VA thread, JZLizard. You should read what he has to say. He also thinks escorts are the biggest risk to SA, and he said that before BP was killed.

Zillions!

Yes, I was aware. Thing is, I'm not really an expert SD at all. I'm a part-timer -- I spend most of my time with my SO and I'm happy in my relationship so I prioritize that. The successes I have in the bowl are no different than my civy dating experiences, it's just that it's hard to get laid in the civy dating scene without it interfering with an LTR, so sugaring is a nice option. It also makes it easier to establish a barrier against emotional attachment. What is perceived as SD skills here is really just skills in understanding and handling relationships with women that I developed at a very young age, it's an incredibly useful skill to have in the bowl.

But he's right. All of the shit that happened to BP and the crackdown at SA I laid down here in this thread several years before it happened. At that time, I got a lot of opposition; was told I was wrong and that it would never come to fruition. But it did.

And, my next prediction is that if SA doesn't find a way to keep the morons that don't know the difference between escorting and sugaring away, it will suffer a similar fate to BP.

**CoolPix** · 07-11-18 20:39

For my fellow mongers, this one is in your area for the next couple of days and is looking for an SD or two, or six. She contacted me first, wants a pretty penny (too rich for my blood), and I suspect a pro. I'd take one for the team but I'm not in RVA right now.

Cheers!

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...1-39a4c888c4d6

**RogerOver** · 07-10-18 09:24

Originally Posted by JZLizard [View Original Post]

I'd actually rather speak for myself than to be constantly referred to or have my thoughts relayed. Whenever I take the time to say something in writing here, I type what ever it is in a given context. When someone paraphrases only part of what I said, that context is lost. So, it you want to relay some opinion I've provided in the past, it's best to just say "another poster once said....." or provide a link to the post where I actually said it so that it can be viewed in the context of the original conversation. Nobody wants to be referenced continually unless they either need their ego fed or they are benefiting through royalty payments or something.

I wouldn't mind if it were once in a while but it does wear out its welcome when done continually.

Maybe want to check into those royalty payments. Looks like your fame is spreading everywhere (or at least coast to coast):

There is a real Dean of sugaring who has zillions of posts on the Richmond VA thread, JZLizard. You should read what he has to say. He also thinks escorts are the biggest risk to SA, and he said that before BP was killed.

Zillions!

**JZLizard** · 07-09-18 20:49

Originally Posted by FarFarAway [View Original Post]

Sure thing. You couldn't argue with a description like prolific poster, though, could you?

I'd actually rather speak for myself than to be constantly referred to or have my thoughts relayed. Whenever I take the time to say something in writing here, I type what ever it is in a given context. When someone paraphrases only part of what I said, that context is lost. So, it you want to relay some opinion I've provided in the past, it's best to just say "another poster once said....." or provide a link to the post where I actually said it so that it can be viewed in the context of the original conversation. Nobody wants to be referenced continually unless they either need their ego fed or they are benefiting through royalty payments or something.

I wouldn't mind if it were once in a while but it does wear out its welcome when done continually.

**FarFarAway** · 07-09-18 12:41

Originally Posted by JZLizard [View Original Post]

Once again, I would appreciate not being associated with any special titles with regard to this thread, or to have it implied that I'm other than than a poster on equal footing as everyone else-- good intentions or not, I just don't want the title. Thanks JL

Sure thing. You couldn't argue with a description like prolific poster, though, could you?

**Mark User** · 07-09-18 12:24

Originally Posted by GoneForDays [View Original Post]

She's a part-time MP girl.

You could guess "military police" or more likely "massage parlor".

**Kwagmire** · 07-09-18 10:14

I just noticed that the Whats Your Price site has eliminated the "Sugar Daddy / Sugar Baby" option under the "what you're looking for" relationship types that both men and women pick when we're setting up our profiles on the site.

So, our esteemed govt / moral police via FOSTA / SESTA made a fairly useless site now almost totally useless. WYP works where they guy needs to pay each time he wants to message with someone, however, now it doesn't make sense to pay to message before you can even know what kind of relationship the woman is open to.

Bummer, because I did manage to get laid on WYP recently. She turned out to be heavier than her pics, and well on her way to being an alcoholic at 24 so I won't see her again, but it was a trip to the FC.

WYP and SA are owned by the same guy. If his lawyers are advising him to remove references to "sugar" on WYP, this may not bode well for SA. Hopefully they'll move the whole thing overseas pretty soon.