"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Statecho]

Hey bowl brothers.

Joined SA a couple of days ago afterreading here did several days. Have sent messages to 10 SBs and chatting with 4 currently. I think this may work out. A few questions:

1. How soon do you move conv from messaging on SA site to phone text and phone conversations?

2. Do you discussed allowance figure before first date or initial M&G?

3. Why are there many foreign and out of state SBs favoriting me (I only want meet local SB or with in 1 hr drive)? It is a hassle to block each of them every day.

Thanks!

[Rvaexec60]

Just cleaned it up.

I was trying to give sn update

[Madaboutmax]

I've had successful threesomes before, but never from a two girl "team".

I've always been suspicious that these "teams" are just geared to put the guys at a disadvantage and often are a scam. I would be curious if anyone has had a good experience with the self advertised duos?

I suspect it is rarely a good thing for the guy.

I see a few two girls come to you. Anyone try this? Experiences?

[FruitNinja]

Dinner.

"My first one was asking for 300 for dinner with extras not included. Dinner lasted about 30 minutes or less. No contact or any convo that included names or any specific personal info. No shaking hands before or after, no eye contact and most of the time she was texting.

The donation was given up front with no mention of what might happen after dinner, not even a thanks after.

I will say SA is totally gold don't you think?"

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Hey Marto,

I attempted to interpret what you were trying to say. Correct me if I'm wrong. It sounds like you had a bad experience with a bad SB.

Your experience demonstrates why I would never pay an allowance for the meet and greet. It's also why I like to establish a good connection and chemistry before agreeing to a meet and greet. There are too many women on the site to let one take advantage of me. If one doesn't fit, i move on to the next.

SA can be a gold mine, but you need to know how to mine It.

Happy hunting!!

Max.

Totally agree. You have to understand the environment you're hunting in. You have to find what they're looking for. As anywhere else you have to chat them up. It's not everyone's cup of tea. As a kid I couldn't do it well.

[FruitNinja]

I see a few two girls come to you. Anyone try this? Experiences?

[Mark User]

I was trying to give sn update. . .

[AOneFred7734]

Dinner.

"My first one was asking for 300 for dinner with extras not included. Dinner lasted about 30 minutes or less. No contact or any convo that included names or any specific personal info. No shaking hands before or after, no eye contact and most of the time she was texting.

The donation was given up front with no mention of what might happen after dinner, not even a thanks after.

I will say SA is totally gold don't you think?"

............................................

Hey Marto,

I attempted to interpret what you were trying to say. Correct me if I'm wrong. It sounds like you had a bad experience with a bad SB.

Your experience demonstrates why I would never pay an allowance for the meet and greet. It's also why I like to establish a good connection and chemistry before agreeing to a meet and greet. There are too many women on the site to let one take advantage of me. If one doesn't fit, i move on to the next.

SA can be a gold mine, but you need to know how to mine It.

Happy hunting!!

Max.

I am new to it did a 30 try. Its like fishing the more times you put that hook out there the better!! I say hello and ask if they have a number for texting. No number I move on. 50% will end up with a meet up. With no meet and greet.

[Madaboutmax]

Dinner.

"My first one was asking for 300 for dinner with extras not included. Dinner lasted about 30 minutes or less. No contact or any convo that included names or any specific personal info. No shaking hands before or after, no eye contact and most of the time she was texting.

The donation was given up front with no mention of what might happen after dinner, not even a thanks after.

I will say SA is totally gold don't you think?"

............................................

Hey Marto,

I attempted to interpret what you were trying to say. Correct me if I'm wrong. It sounds like you had a bad experience with a bad SB.

Your experience demonstrates why I would never pay an allowance for the meet and greet. It's also why I like to establish a good connection and chemistry before agreeing to a meet and greet. There are too many women on the site to let one take advantage of me. If one doesn't fit, i move on to the next.

SA can be a gold mine, but you need to know how to mine It.

Happy hunting!!

Max.

My first one was asking for 300 for dinner meals and extras no included time about 30 minutes or less no contact or any convo that included names or any specific person info no shaking hands before or after no eye contact most of time she was texting donation at front no any mention of fallow date or any thanks after finish I will say SA is totally gold don't you think

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[TheMarto1]

My first one was asking for 300 for dinner meals and extras no included time about 30 minutes or less no contact or any convo that included names or any specific person info no shaking hands before or after no eye contact most of time she was texting donation at front no any mention of fallow date or any thanks after finish I will say SA is totally gold don't you think

I was a premium member on SA for a month. Two years ago I was on SD4 M. SA has about 20 times the volume of women. The patterns of behavior are similar between the sites. I talked to perhaps 300 women and nearly all conversations went nowhere. It was tiresome. Mind you, I am polite, friendly, and reasonable. Maybe it's my personality. YMMV, as usual. I think that 95% of the profiles go silent after a week. It's a striking observation! What does that mean?! Based on reading here and my own intuition, I suppose that most of the women are afraid and give up. They may start with some optimistic idea of finding a rich guy, a Big Fish, but then after many crude solicitations ($20 BJ or $40 QV or whatever) they run away. It reminds me of the one SB I met from SD4 M (I reported on her) : scared, naive, had moral qualms, but I got lucky because she liked me in a qualified way.

Some girls want exclusive arrangements with monthly allowances, typically $1500 and I think $1000 is the minimum (I tended to look for young, under 25, and fairly attractive.) One girl I met (my entry 14766) would have been worth 1500, but I'm not rich. She was active online the whole time I was. I guess it's not easy to land a Big Fish. My budget is $600/ month cash to the SB plus overhead for date costs and hotel. For that pathetic amount I think you can become the regular client of someone who you would probably be sharing with others. I met 3 women in person, who were all the actual person in their profile pics, and I have had sex with 2, admittedly not much statistics to draw any conclusions from and a modest contribution to the many good stories on this thread.

One of my sexual encounters was with a girl who looked on her profile like she was an athletic dancer and very sexual. Both turned out to be true! She's 23, a single mom, had a day job and works sometimes at a strip club on the weekends, and she indeed liked sex. A lot. However, she didn't want to have dates or go to dinner for only $200. She politely pointed out that dinner would cost extra. For $200 she would only do a hotel visit. It actually made sense because she had to hire a baby sitter and a driver, and time is money. Very sweet and friendly girl, she would make a good "SB", just not for me. It was funny that when we had the M&G she very rapidly and professionally found out about me, what I wanted and for how much. After 5 minutes she declared "Ok, I accept. You're not creepy!" It seems that not being creepy and my willingness to meet her price was sufficient.

The other sexual contact was with a cute 19 yo college girl, I already described the first encouner (entry 14835). It was amazing. I have had two follow-up visits and more is planned. All during the time I was on SA she was online frequently and she's already forgotten my name. She likes sex, is very pretty, and I guess she is parlaying that into paying for college with clients who meet her criteria and her price ($200). The encounters are secret and purely physical. A talk with her is simple and direct. She says she likes me and wants to continue. It fits my budget because I can control the frequency of visits. Perhaps I'll say more on that situation later, after it plays itself out. You could say it's a hooker / john situation, but it is slightly more than that as we kiss and caress and she has orgasims.

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[FarFarAway]

My practice is to hide my profile from search on SA, since I have an SO, and I only want girls to get to it who I have pre-vetted. I thought I would do an experiment and make it searchable, perhaps come across someone I wouldn't normally be looking at. But wow. In about 12 hours, I got dozens of views, favorites, and messages. Most were crap. From all over the world, despite my adding a 'local only' at the head of my description. I am honest about my financial info, so many were just golddiggers. There were a couple of people I was interested in, but because they are in adjacent counties and I don't have a lot of local travel freedom, the experiment was a bust. Every bowl is local, some of you may succeed with this strategy.

[FruitNinja]

The photo I send the is a photo fo me easily accessible on the net. Throw a photo of yourself on a few sites. Culpable deniability.

[FruitNinja]

You could say it's a hooker / john situation, but it is slightly more than that as we kiss and caress and she has orgasims.

I have one like that. She likes me and would probably see me for nothing.

[Snake27]

I was a premium member on SA for a month. Two years ago I was on SD4 M. SA has about 20 times the volume of women. The patterns of behavior are similar between the sites. I talked to perhaps 300 women and nearly all conversations went nowhere. It was tiresome. Mind you, I am polite, friendly, and reasonable. Maybe it's my personality. YMMV, as usual. I think that 95% of the profiles go silent after a week. It's a striking observation! What does that mean?! Based on reading here and my own intuition, I suppose that most of the women are afraid and give up. They may start with some optimistic idea of finding a rich guy, a Big Fish, but then after many crude solicitations ($20 BJ or $40 QV or whatever) they run away. It reminds me of the one SB I met from SD4 M (I reported on her) : scared, naive, had moral qualms, but I got lucky because she liked me in a qualified way.

Some girls want exclusive arrangements with monthly allowances, typically $1500 and I think $1000 is the minimum (I tended to look for young, under 25, and fairly attractive.) One girl I met (my entry 14766) would have been worth 1500, but I'm not rich. She was active online the whole time I was. I guess it's not easy to land a Big Fish. My budget is $600/ month cash to the SB plus overhead for date costs and hotel. For that pathetic amount I think you can become the regular client of someone who you would probably be sharing with others. I met 3 women in person, who were all the actual person in their profile pics, and I have had sex with 2, admittedly not much statistics to draw any conclusions from and a modest contribution to the many good stories on this thread.

One of my sexual encounters was with a girl who looked on her profile like she was an athletic dancer and very sexual. Both turned out to be true! She's 23, a single mom, had a day job and works sometimes at a strip club on the weekends, and she indeed liked sex. A lot. However, she didn't want to have dates or go to dinner for only $200. She politely pointed out that dinner would cost extra. For $200 she would only do a hotel visit. It actually made sense because she had to hire a baby sitter and a driver, and time is money. Very sweet and friendly girl, she would make a good "SB", just not for me. It was funny that when we had the M&G she very rapidly and professionally found out about me, what I wanted and for how much. After 5 minutes she declared "Ok, I accept. You're not creepy!" It seems that not being creepy and my willingness to meet her price was sufficient.

The other sexual contact was with a cute 19 yo college girl, I already described the first encouner (entry 14835). It was amazing. I have had two follow-up visits and more is planned. All during the time I was on SA she was online frequently and she's already forgotten my name. She likes sex, is very pretty, and I guess she is parlaying that into paying for college with clients who meet her criteria and her price ($200). The encounters are secret and purely physical. A talk with her is simple and direct. She says she likes me and wants to continue. It fits my budget because I can control the frequency of visits. Perhaps I'll say more on that situation later, after it plays itself out. You could say it's a hooker / john situation, but it is slightly more than that as we kiss and caress and she has orgasims.

[Ernest Ll]

I see a girl that see's a physician. He pays her 1 K for a visit. Fortunately he only sees her once in a while. I fill in the gap at $$$.

If there were no shortage of $1 k SDs, then the rest of us would be out of luck.

Just like I tell my employees who complain that their PT gigs pay better than their FT job with me.

"So make it your FT gig".

"But they don't have enough work for me to be FT at that rate".

And you answered your own question.

AT least your gal is smart enough to do the math.

[RVASpider]

Keep in mind most girls lie about how much they actually get or have gotten in the past.

I think most probably do. I talked one super hot one down from $2000 to $300 for drinks and an hour of her time after. I'm sure some guys out there have a ton of cash to spend and are outbidding everyone else.