"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[CandyMan555]

I am visiting Ft Lauderdale Fla next week and since there is no S A section on their board I am looking for a SB that offers GFE BBBJCIM daty fiv and cfs.

If anyone can offer assistance I would appreciate it. PM is fine If you come to Boston I can assist you with references.

Thanks CM.

[GoinDonkey]

The only shortage in the "SD" world is johns who can afford those insanely priced hookers. If the hooker (sorry, SB) you're dealing with won't progress without a picture move on to the next hooker (sorry SB) because there are a lot more hookers (sorry SB's) on those sites than there are john's (sorry SD's) who can afford the crazy rates they want to charge.

A2

I wish I lived in your city. During my most recent two month stretch of having a paid SA account, I was only able to find about 30 girls I was interested in PM'ing here in Richmond. At least 10 of those haven't signed back into the site since I PM'd them. Of the remaining 20, most replied and I managed to get dinner with five. Two I had no further interest in, and the other three have worked out. Plus one more unmet POT on the back burner.

Not a shortage, but certainly no surplus either. I guess we're too small a town.

[Madaboutmax]

I tell them I understand if they are uncomfortable with a per meet allowance, but that it is the best way to start until we have built trust and are confident we both want to continue. A monthly allowance is too easy for someone to be taken advantage of. Either the girl does her part with the promise of the allowance at a later date or the guy provides the allowance up front with the promise the girl will do her part later. It doesn't make sense until there is trust on both sides.

I've found most girls who push for allowances up front to either have gps or be a scammer. I don't want them to be too focussed on getting cash just like they don't want me to be too focussed on getting pu$$y.

My best experiences have been all nighters with multiple GFE rounds where cash was never discussed. I simply slipped some "help" in their purse or pocket as they were leaving asking if I could contribute to their "college fund". LOL.

I finally joined SA. First impression: wow! Thousands of girls, it seems. But mostly vapid women making poor conversation. One woman stood out, amazingly beautiful, perceptive, and interesting to talk to. I figured she would be out of my price range but set up a M&G just to see. She said her previous SD had been a rich business guy. And it was plausible, she was so smooth and sophisticated. She quoted 1000 allowance plus she wanted to go shopping and sometimes additional money for "things that came up", because that's what the other guy did. The stuff beyond allowance was poorly defined, but I guess the total would be 1500 per month, which is WAY beyond my budget. I told her so and she said she liked me and I should make a counter offer. I said I'd think about it but I didn't get back to her. Whew!!

I wonder what the forum thinks about pay-per-visit versus monthly allowance? I can see how an allowance is an advantage for the girl, she's guaranteed an income. On the other hand, she could take the 1000 and ghost you, right? You have to be mighty rich to risk losing 1000 so easily. I would only agree to pay-per-visit to avoid scams.

One very consistent observation was that many of the 200 girls I talked to online in the past week complained about how harsh and sleazy the men are! That they were just interested in hookups for sex at the lowest price. The girl I met in person said the same. But this has been reported several times on this forum. There's no changing men's stupid nature (but is it stupid? Maybe it works at some level). It seems to me that for the newer, more innocent SB, it's a big advantage if you are a polite gentleman. Or at least pretend to be one. Again, others have observed this.

It's funny how much this SB world is simply a market. Like buying cars. There are the cars you can afford and the cars you cannot afford. And of course you have to want the car to buy it. I suppose its expected that you haggle the price. Oh, and cars get old and lose value. I am reminded of an article I read in a sex magazine many years ago. It was a hilarious spoof of a guy who used research funds from the magazine to explore the world of high-end prostitution. I don't remember the article except for the title: "Serious Cash for High-End Gash". So ridiculous to reduce a woman to a "gash" !

[FarFarAway]

I wonder what the forum thinks about pay-per-visit versus monthly allowance? I can see how an allowance is an advantage for the girl, she's guaranteed an income. On the other hand, she could take the 1000 and ghost you, right? You have to be mighty rich to risk losing 1000 so easily. I would only agree to pay-per-visit to avoid scams.

To me, that's the point of having a SB instead of seeing a pro-escort. There is a relationship of sorts that develops over time, with some mutual trust. Plenty of women feel that getting the $ right at the FC makes them feel too much like a 'regular' hooker, so they like to have it unconnected, but they're not dumb. They know that 'no play, no pay'. I have negotiated a monthly allowance but also a specific $ for the initial FC. If we both are happy, we continue, if not, not. I also discuss a lot of other stuff up front. Is she on BC, if not what happens if we bust a rubber (I'm paranoid, I admit, I'd never go BB), does she do Plan B, has she had a STD panel, has she had her HPV shot, etc. ? One thing I don't discuss is time or a menu. Those had better go without saying if she's a SB and not an escort. Otherwise, I'm not even interested.

[Snake27]

I finally joined SA. First impression: wow! Thousands of girls, it seems. But mostly vapid women making poor conversation. One woman stood out, amazingly beautiful, perceptive, and interesting to talk to. I figured she would be out of my price range but set up a M&G just to see. She said her previous SD had been a rich business guy. And it was plausible, she was so smooth and sophisticated. She quoted 1000 allowance plus she wanted to go shopping and sometimes additional money for "things that came up", because that's what the other guy did. The stuff beyond allowance was poorly defined, but I guess the total would be 1500 per month, which is WAY beyond my budget. I told her so and she said she liked me and I should make a counter offer. I said I'd think about it but I didn't get back to her. Whew!!

I wonder what the forum thinks about pay-per-visit versus monthly allowance? I can see how an allowance is an advantage for the girl, she's guaranteed an income. On the other hand, she could take the 1000 and ghost you, right? You have to be mighty rich to risk losing 1000 so easily. I would only agree to pay-per-visit to avoid scams.

One very consistent observation was that many of the 200 girls I talked to online in the past week complained about how harsh and sleazy the men are! That they were just interested in hookups for sex at the lowest price. The girl I met in person said the same. But this has been reported several times on this forum. There's no changing men's stupid nature (but is it stupid? Maybe it works at some level). It seems to me that for the newer, more innocent SB, it's a big advantage if you are a polite gentleman. Or at least pretend to be one. Again, others have observed this.

It's funny how much this SB world is simply a market. Like buying cars. There are the cars you can afford and the cars you cannot afford. And of course you have to want the car to buy it. I suppose its expected that you haggle the price. Oh, and cars get old and lose value. I am reminded of an article I read in a sex magazine many years ago. It was a hilarious spoof of a guy who used research funds from the magazine to explore the world of high-end prostitution. I don't remember the article except for the title: "Serious Cash for High-End Gash". So ridiculous to reduce a woman to a "gash" !

[FarFarAway]

There's been a lot of concern here lately about extortion sites that post your pic and phone # with little bon mots, like 'offers $ for sex'. It's not such a big deal if you are using a profile pic that isn't actually you but just looks like you, which a lot of guys pull off successfully. Likewise, for a GV phone # that you can abandon at little cost. At some point, though, I try to provide a real photo. Maybe I'm just insecure that way. One way I have that could combat something like this getting me into trouble is to send your real photo via Snapchat. Remember that it's claim to fame is that messages go away after they have been read. There are some tricks that might be used to preserve a message, perhaps a photo, but they aren't ordinary operation, so unless the 'girl' is planning ahead, she won't be able to have your pic to post. Having a smart burner to access all these apps, that the younger generation of SBs is so used to, is very helpful in my view.

Even on Snapchat you send the picture, they take a screen shot and they have it.

Don't send pictures. The only shortage in the "SD" world is johns who can afford those insanely priced hookers. If the hooker (sorry, SB) you're dealing with won't progress without a picture move on to the next hooker (sorry SB) because there are a lot more hookers (sorry SB's) on those sites than there are john's (sorry SD's) who can afford the crazy rates they want to charge.

A2

*Excellent* point. I have of course been lucky enough to get some girls to send me their selfies. I attach a particularly tasty one.

[FruitNinja]

So it appears that http://predatorsalerts.com has a few people working SA. Has anyone gone through the removal process? Just curious. It's my second phone so no big deal but I would like to get my pic removed.

Thanks.

Imgur removed the picture in less than an hour. Time to change phone numbers.

[TomDickNHarry]

Does anyone else use Tor browswer on a desktop? I'm having trouble logging into the site, everytime I log in it says you've been logged out. I can do it on my phone just not on Tor.

[FruitNinja]

So it appears that http://predatorsalerts.com has a few people working SA. Has anyone gone through the removal process? Just curious. It's my second phone so no big deal but I would like to get my pic removed.

Thanks.

[FruitNinja]

The 19 year Latina is getting comfortable.

[FarFarAway]

There's been a lot of concern here lately about extortion sites that post your pic and phone # with little bon mots, like 'offers $ for sex'. It's not such a big deal if you are using a profile pic that isn't actually you but just looks like you, which a lot of guys pull off successfully. Likewise, for a GV phone # that you can abandon at little cost. At some point, though, I try to provide a real photo. Maybe I'm just insecure that way. One way I have that could combat something like this getting me into trouble is to send your real photo via Snapchat. Remember that it's claim to fame is that messages go away after they have been read. There are some tricks that might be used to preserve a message, perhaps a photo, but they aren't ordinary operation, so unless the 'girl' is planning ahead, she won't be able to have your pic to post. Having a smart burner to access all these apps, that the younger generation of SBs is so used to, is very helpful in my view.

Even on Snapchat you send the picture, they take a screen shot and they have it.

Don't send pictures. The only shortage in the "SD" world is johns who can afford those insanely priced hookers. If the hooker (sorry, SB) you're dealing with won't progress without a picture move on to the next hooker (sorry SB) because there are a lot more hookers (sorry SB's) on those sites than there are john's (sorry SD's) who can afford the crazy rates they want to charge.

A2

[GolfMan57]

I had some trouble with prepaid cards recently, so I just renewed using paypal. I'm not married (have a live-in SO) so I'm not worried about subpoenas and such. I really wanted to keep things as anonymous as possible for the hack & leak issue you mentioned, but its not the end of the world if so, because I've done nothing illegal.

I would not do this if I were married or my assets were on the table in any way.

It's been several months since I had an active membership, I did a month and met some SB's that ended up to be fruitful. I used the Vanilla Visa. Has anyone tried that recently, I was looking at going back active to see if I can restock the pool so to speak.

[FruitNinja]

I had some trouble with prepaid cards recently, so I just renewed using paypal. I'm not married (have a live-in SO) so I'm not worried about subpoenas and such. I really wanted to keep things as anonymous as possible for the hack & leak issue you mentioned, but its not the end of the world if so, because I've done nothing illegal.

I would not do this if I were married or my assets were on the table in any way.

I don't worry about it. I'm divorced 13 years. Most of my friends know I'm all about fun and that I like younger women. Only risk I see is if you're a married guy. Maybe I'm naive.

[JZLizard]

How is everyone paying for SA now? I use to be able to run a gift card through, after using my monger info to register the card and fill out SA's credit approval form, but now the Visa Gift Card isn't working. SA is running these cards through Hong Kong now (gift cards can not be used internationally). Is there another way? I don't want to use real credit card info. Look at all the hacks and leaks of members. Thank you.

I had some trouble with prepaid cards recently, so I just renewed using paypal. I'm not married (have a live-in SO) so I'm not worried about subpoenas and such. I really wanted to keep things as anonymous as possible for the hack & leak issue you mentioned, but its not the end of the world if so, because I've done nothing illegal.

I would not do this if I were married or my assets were on the table in any way.

[KrustyDawg7]

How is everyone paying for SA now? I use to be able to run a gift card through, after using my monger info to register the card and fill out SA's credit approval form, but now the Visa Gift Card isn't working. SA is running these cards through Hong Kong now (gift cards can not be used internationally). Is there another way? I don't want to use real credit card info. Look at all the hacks and leaks of members. Thank you.

CB.

I use my paypal, because if someone tries to hack, I can get PP to fix it. Since I am single I have no worries about anyone looking at my PP purchases. Have not had any problems with SA though because it is month-to month and they don't try to repeat / auto-pay. SD4 Me on the other hand will repeat bill your credit card unless you write to them immediately and request to drop repeat billing. I don't use them anymore because virtually nothing in the SW VA area. There used to be good POT's on there and I met several good ones but their female customer base has gone elsewhere. For the most part I avoid sites that want a credit card because it usually leads to a hack. If I need that I'll get another prepaid CC.