Massage Parlor Reports

[Avg Joe]

The definition of Entrapment is "A practice whereby a law enforcement agent induces a person to commit a criminal act that the person would not likely otherwise commit" What they did does fit the definition of Entrapment. How could the police prove the person arrested intended to receive sexual services. This however does not help out the person arrested. Plain and simple, police lie and the courts will always believe them before a common citizen. The prosecuting attorney will swear that the person arrested initiated the solicitation. They will not bother trying to prove intent unless he had incriminating evidence like a box of condoms and a list of Spas indicating who puts out and who does not.

Guess it boils down to what "induces" means. Not buying it.

[E6671]

My own personal thinking is that it would not be entrapment.

If you walk into any spa, Euro or otherwise and a girl you DON'T know offers you "full sex for $200" up front and you agree, how is that entrapment? Did you not have the choice to say "no" and walk out? Did you not have the choice to say "I just want a therapeutic massage"?

If I walked into a spa and before I even get into a room a girl asks if I want full sex for $200 I am out of there in a heartbeat. If you did agree, you deserve to be arrested for stupidity.

AJ.

The definition of Entrapment is "A practice whereby a law enforcement agent induces a person to commit a criminal act that the person would not likely otherwise commit" What they did does fit the definition of Entrapment. How could the police prove the person arrested intended to receive sexual services. This however does not help out the person arrested. Plain and simple, police lie and the courts will always believe them before a common citizen. The prosecuting attorney will swear that the person arrested initiated the solicitation. They will not bother trying to prove intent unless he had incriminating evidence like a box of condoms and a list of Spas indicating who puts out and who does not.

[Avg Joe]

"But Umporowicz said he had coached all of his UCs to be blatant in their offers of sexual services to the men who called to set up appointments or arrived at Euro Spa as "walk-ins. " The men were all informed of the prices up front: $100 for "an adult hand massage," with oral sex costing $140 and full sex, $200. ".

Doesn't this qualify as entrapment?

My own personal thinking is that it would not be entrapment.

If you walk into any spa, Euro or otherwise and a girl you DON'T know offers you "full sex for $200" up front and you agree, how is that entrapment? Did you not have the choice to say "no" and walk out? Did you not have the choice to say "I just want a therapeutic massage"?

If I walked into a spa and before I even get into a room a girl asks if I want full sex for $200 I am out of there in a heartbeat. If you did agree, you deserve to be arrested for stupidity.

AJ.

[Emiglio]

Does anybody remember when this happened at a spa in Glenview several years ago? The big difference was that it was originally an American staff, and undercover were also American. But if you went to an Asian parlor on Archer and suddenly saw an entire Caucasian staff, that would be a red flag. I think if you negotiated on the phone and then showed up, you might still get popped. I refuse to believe that they let those who did not negotiate leave, maybe a few to add to their credibility.

Wow, this is new. Hope this is not copied here in Chicago.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-...ing-operation/

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[KongZi]

Hey folks, recent lurker, recent adventurer.

Just wanted to drop a report on several experiences (all very YMMV).

Not sure what the demographic here is, but I used the "innocent little brother card" with a lot of the MT's I visited in the NW burbs area (So far hit Schaumburg, Streamwood, Roselle).

These are definitely not advertised as monger-friendly places, and a lot of the ladies said they went to work there solely because of the "legitimacy" in suburban parlors. Since I'm a first timer, I wanted to test the waters. Strict Disclaimer YMMV fasho.

Hoffman Estate AMP Grand opening as listed on Craigslist - 2 ladies, both middle aged, very strong massage, on the flip nothing, but after she got close and I gave out a moan, she got closer. Started using acupressure on all the right places, told me next time to come back for the good stuff (spent half an hour complaining about old white guys (sorry dudes) but decided to give the little guy a whirl for like 30 minutes). Damage was just house plus tips. So 1. 0? Is that how you guys do it? LOL.

Streamwood super advertised place with babes. Definitely babes, definitely advertised as straightlaced, definitely like to tease, only rubbed the family gems did not go for the pull up bar (she was "tired" after massaging me) gave her a massage afterwards and exchanged numbers. Again YMMV, I'm 25, single, and a 6'2 Asian with a professional degree so maybe she's a gold-digger idk still liked my balls rubbed for 90 min house rate.

Roselle Road shady looking place with cop stickers all over. Lady was not good looking so I left but definitely a place for mongers to find satisfaction saw a nice Benz sitting out front (definitely not the MT's because of the kid's highschool stickers on the back).

No names since all conversations were done in Chinese.

[PwnLife]

"But Umporowicz said he had coached all of his UCs to be blatant in their offers of sexual services to the men who called to set up appointments or arrived at Euro Spa as "walk-ins. " The men were all informed of the prices up front: $100 for "an adult hand massage," with oral sex costing $140 and full sex, $200. ".

Doesn't this qualify as entrapment?

Over the course of the operation, several men walked out, either because they were looking for legitimate massages

I'm guessing getting guys busted quickly is important in this sort of operation. Maybe if you fend off opening sex negotiations she will send you away so she doesn't have to spend 30 minutes giving you a masssage. I'm saying as a strategy just say no if they open with negotiations. Feel out the massage and negotiate again on the flip.

[Adrick Ian]

"But Umporowicz said he had coached all of his UCs to be blatant in their offers of sexual services to the men who called to set up appointments or arrived at Euro Spa as "walk-ins. " The men were all informed of the prices up front: $100 for "an adult hand massage," with oral sex costing $140 and full sex, $200. ".

Doesn't this qualify as entrapment?

Probably not. Although it would depend on whether or not your lawyer could prove that you were not "predisposed to commit the crime", or that the offer would induce or coerce the average person to commit a crime that they normally wouldn't.

Two competing tests exist for determining whether entrapment has taken place, known as the "subjective" and "objective" tests. The "subjective" test looks at the defendant's state of mind; entrapment can be claimed if the defendant had no "predisposition" to commit the crime. The "objective" test looks instead at the government's conduct; entrapment occurs when the actions of government officers would usually have caused a normally law-abiding person to commit a crime.

In this case, I suspect that the prosecution will handle the objective test by arguing that a normally law-abiding person would have either politely refused the offer of sex for money and requested a massage only, or would have left the establishment. As for the subjective test, the defendants lawyer will have their work cut out for them trying to prove that the defendant had no interest in paying for sex and normally wouldn't do so, but they felt that in this particular situation it was necessary.

If you're going to participate in this hobby, it's important to realize that "entrapment" isn't likely to be a usable defense in most cases. The undercover officer can lie to you and tell you they are not a cop, they can make the offer, they can dress provocatively, legally they can even perform the "cop check", and you still aren't going to be able to use an "entrapment" defense.

Now as an example of where you might get an "entrapment" defense: You meet a pretty lady at a bar and strike up a conversation. She seems interested in you, and you ask if she'd like to get out of there for a while. You both agree to go to a local hotel and both express interest in mutually consented free sex. You are both naked, and lying in bed kissing. Just as you're about to engage in penetrative sex, she mentions that she's out of cash and was wondering if you'd be willing to pay for a cab for her afterwards. You agree, and the cops come busting in to arrest you. In that case, you might be able to use an "entrapment" defense.

[Ztar7]

I 100% agree. I work on the West side and watch cops drive by guys selling drugs on the street every day. They ignore the thugs and drunks hassling people on the CTA trains. But they have plenty of time to arrest women who are not hurting anyone. Why? For the revenue. There is no money in it for the city to bother arresting someone who isn't scared of not paying the fines. It just causes more work to go after them for failure to appear.

Agree 100%.

I think a large portion of the LE attention these places receive is from the illusion that there is some slave ring organization that facilitates all of it.

Rather than the truth, which is that these girls are trying to survive in a society where they don't speak the native language, have little education or no credentials that are recognized, and are most likely the first in their family to come here, and are still in the process of finding their place in an American life.

Just recently I posted about several busts for licensing issues. After talking with some of those involved, the main reason so many of these girls are unlicensed is they simply can't take the test because it's only offered in english.

In reality it is of our own doing, many of these girls would move on with their lives much quicker if we could make it easier for them to adapt to life here. But that would involve admitting that America is not the center of the universe.

[NiceChicaGaGuy]

Wow, this is new. Hope this is not copied here in Chicago.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-...ing-operation/

"But Umporowicz said he had coached all of his UCs to be blatant in their offers of sexual services to the men who called to set up appointments or arrived at Euro Spa as "walk-ins. " The men were all informed of the prices up front: $100 for "an adult hand massage," with oral sex costing $140 and full sex, $200. ".

Doesn't this qualify as entrapment?

[Castlerae]

Wow, this is new. Hope this is not copied here in Chicago.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-...ing-operation/

I noticed that they arrested a guy who'd been busted as a 'john' because he came back the next day and started shooting video of their operation. Charged him with 'obstruction'. Wonder how the f they're going to make that stick in any courtroom?

[Danielp]

Yes, at open is good, but sometimes they are shortstaffed then too, since the late crew hasn't come in yet either. Maybe try asking the mamasan / girls when it's not so busy.

Every time I ask when is the best time, they always say "right after lunch", between 2 pm and 5 pm. They are fresh, with energy, low volume of customers, etc.

[E6671]

The Kane county sheriff's department did a similar sting in Aurora, years ago. It's nice to know that Seattle has the heroin and meth problems under control. Now they can focus on important stuff like busting guys who want to get a HJ. What a complete joke. This was just another cash grab by Uncle LEO. They know that if they arrest the druggies, they won't be able to pay any fines and it will cost money to lock them up. If they arrest a dentist a few lawyers an architect and technology workers, they will be able to fork over the fines and the court costs. SaintChuck.

I 100% agree. I work on the West side and watch cops drive by guys selling drugs on the street every day. They ignore the thugs and drunks hassling people on the CTA trains. But they have plenty of time to arrest women who are not hurting anyone. Why? For the revenue. There is no money in it for the city to bother arresting someone who isn't scared of not paying the fines. It just causes more work to go after them for failure to appear.

[Colesmithe]

Wow, this is new. Hope this is not copied here in Chicago.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-...ing-operation/

Whatever the reason still a nightmare for the 204 that were busted -.

[SaintChuck]

Wow, this is new. Hope this is not copied here in Chicago.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-...ing-operation/

The Kane county sheriff's department did a similar sting in Aurora, years ago. It's nice to know that Seattle has the heroin and meth problems under control. Now they can focus on important stuff like busting guys who want to get a HJ. What a complete joke. This was just another cash grab by Uncle LEO. They know that if they arrest the druggies, they won't be able to pay any fines and it will cost money to lock them up. If they arrest a dentist a few lawyers an architect and technology workers, they will be able to fork over the fines and the court costs. SaintChuck.

[DMichaels69]

This is hilarious. The lady cop said all the men thought they were god's gift to women, wanted a line up to choose a girl, and did a lot of groping. Now I know the respectable mongers in Chicago do not act like that. If that happened here, it would be like Halloween and Valentines day with all the candy and flowers they would get. LOL

Wow, this is new. Hope this is not copied here in Chicago.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-...ing-operation/